Spencer Lee issues?

[donboy6499]

Flo guys say nothing is wrong with him and he’s just getting passed by guys.

I don't believe that for a second, that he is just getting passed by guys.

If that were true, the next topic on the show should be a real discussion about his training/coaching. But I don't buy that at all.

Spencer is age 19 Lebron. He's that far above and beyond his peers. Just like Lebron wasn't gonna ever get caught by peers just like that (because he is a unicorn), Spencer isn't just gonna get tracked down by peers. Something is up.

 

[Chips28]

Flo guys say nothing is wrong with him and he’s just getting passed by guys.

Flo is trash, but no one is surprised by their anti Iowa parade.

 

[donboy6499]

Flo is trash, but no one is surprised by their anti Iowa parade.

I don't think it's anti-Iowa.

I do think, whether you all think they're journalists or not, they have a journalistic responsibility to report what they honestly believe with all known information. Barring some insider info, they really have to conclude that right now, Picc and Rivera are better.

 

[fizzyskittles]

I don't believe that for a second, that he is just getting passed by guys.

If that were true, the next topic on the show should be a real discussion about his training/coaching. But I don't buy that at all.

Spencer is age 19 Lebron. He's that far above and beyond his peers. Just like Lebron wasn't gonna ever get caught by peers just like that (because he is a unicorn), Spencer isn't just gonna get tracked down by peers. Something is up.

He did get pinned by letting his head get close to his knee with fifteen or so seconds in the period. I’m guessing someone saw a tendency and exploited it.

 

[BanjoSaysWoof]

It is entirely possible that the field closed the gap on spencer and that Spencer’s isn’t 100%. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

 

[donboy6499]

He did get pinned by letting his head get close to his knee with fifteen or so seconds in the period. I’m guessing someone saw a tendency and exploited it.

Oh I hear you, and I saw that. And I know that's no-no city.

It's exploitable as all get-out. But I also think he did that last year and guys attacked it, attempting to exploit it, and got him in positions that he either muled out of, or invited to counter. I just think that something's missing this year, be it the stamina to just muscle out of it, or the awareness to see it. Or the attention to detail. I don't know. I just know in watching the guy for now 5+ years, he's not doing things he always has. He wrestled Rivera and never attacked, really. That's not Spencer Lee, guys. He stalks guys, invites them in, then manhandles them.

Everyone that is saying it's getting exploited, it was there to exploit last season (Picc himself locked it up on him in IC last year and couldn't nudge him), and it's not like Spencer and his coaches aren't scouting and exploiting as well. This isn't a one-sided scouting process. But even in wins, he looks like a completely different wrestler than what he has been since he was at least 14.

 

[Mpchillin]

I don't think it's anti-Iowa.

I do think, whether you all think they're journalists or not, they have a journalistic responsibility to report what they honestly believe with all known information. Barring some insider info, they really have to conclude that right now, Picc and Rivera are better.

Exactly. They admit that they don’t have a clue what’s wrong with him. My issue is that they definitively say he’s not sick, does that mean he hasn’t been sick all year? Or he just isn’t sick right now? He has barely been able to make it off the mat in multiple matches this year and that leads me to believe there is some sort of issue with his stamina. Other factors to look at are his attack rate against top guys and his grip strength has been lacking. This also leads me to believe there is an issue or there has been an interruption in his ability to train.

 

[vhsalum]

Flo is trash, but no one is surprised by their anti Iowa parade.

It's not anti-Hawk rhetoric. Sheesh. Flo guys LOVE Iowa. Who has been more open than Brands? No one. They were the first to truly embrace Flo. Cpyles, Willie, those dudes love Iowa. They have opinions that are not always positive for Iowa, but that's all of us (well, most of us).

I personally don't believe it. Based on what I know about how Spencer lives his life, how he trains there's no way that he no longer has a 7 minute gas tank.

IF this is true. And one of the single greatest wrestling recruits in history, a year after winning an NCAA title as a true freshman can't even enter the 3rd period without being gassed, Fire Tom.

Fire him today.

 

[Chips28]

It's not anti-Hawk rhetoric. Sheesh. Flo guys LOVE Iowa. Who has been more open than Brands? No one. They were the first to truly embrace Flo. Cpyles, Willie, those dudes love Iowa. They have opinions that are not always positive for Iowa, but that's all of us (well, most of us).

I personally don't believe it. Based on what I know about how Spencer lives his life, how he trains there's no way that he no longer has a 7 minute gas tank.

IF this is true. And one of the single greatest wrestling recruits in history, a year after winning an NCAA title as a true freshman can't even enter the 3rd period without being gassed, Fire Tom.

Fire him today.

It’s always anti-Iowa. They are always looking for a way to dog Spencer. They did it the entire season last year and have done it this season throughout. They only rip Iowa for sitting guys but when another team does it no mention. Save your defense of Flo. Four guys farting on a podcast is better than the crap they put out.

As far as Spencer goes, the kid isn’t right. He was tired after the first period against Picc. He can’t go seven minutes, which makes no sense at this point in the season. Anybody that thinks he isn’t battling some illness just isn’t paying attention. When he got his wind last year he absolutely destroyed guys like Rivera and Picc. They have closed the gap, just like Spencer is healthy.

 

[pablow]

Smalls won't have the balls to defend this.

 

[Chips28]

Can't help feeling like we are a little "snake bit" as a team. Just this year you Have 3 of our best Wrestlers in Lee, Kemdawg, and Stoll battling injuries! I Mean Big Sam goes through 2 Knee injuries, still somehow puts together a great season last year and then gets shot in the same f-in knee!!!

Someone above mentioned McD, you had Telford, still have the Bull in a knee brace, clark battle through a shoulder on and on. I do not know how many of our guys have been wearing and/or are wearing some kind of brace, tape etc on knees and shoulders.

just very frustrating to see kids not 100% and I know the feeling well having been sick my Sr. year in HS, and injured my Sr. year in college. Just hope that whatever is ailing Lee goes the hell away, Stoll can somehow make a run, Kemdawg comes back stronger then ever, and for once we can get through a season healthy!!!

It definitely feels that way. When was the last time Iowa went through the season with a healthy squad? 2009, 2010?

Does the team have a nutritionist? Does Brands buy into something like that. Seems like the team needs it badly.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

He did get pinned by letting his head get close to his knee with fifteen or so seconds in the period. I’m guessing someone saw a tendency and exploited it.

The exact thing happened the last time the two wrestled. Lee just reacted better, which is also a sign that he was simply fatigued this time.

 

[vhsalum]

It’s always anti-Iowa. They are always looking for a way to dog Spencer. They did it the entire season last year and have done it this season throughout. They only rip Iowa for sitting guys but when another team does it no mention. Save your defense of Flo. Four guys farting on a podcast is better than the crap they put out.

As far as Spencer goes, the kid isn’t right. He was tired after the first period against Picc. He can’t go seven minutes, which makes no sense at this point in the season. Anybody that thinks he isn’t battling some illness just isn’t paying attention. When he got his wind last year he absolutely destroyed guys like Rivera and Picc. They have closed the gap, just like Spencer is healthy.

They hammered Cenzo over not wrestling against Wick. So much so that Nomad wrote an articel on why Cenzo should be the 3 seed. They're pretty fair when it comes to criticism. Is Iowa a lightning rod? Absolutely! And we should be happy about that.

And yeah. I don't believe for a second something isn't wrong with Spencer. Because if not. There's no way he's not transferring.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

I personally don't believe it. Based on what I know about how Spencer lives his life, how he trains there's no way that he no longer has a 7 minute gas tank.

7 minutes? Spencer Lee can’t even wrestle 4 minutes right now without being shot.

 

[KujawaFan]

I know these are message boards. And people like to sling crap. But anybody with half no just a 1/4 brain can watch. I have posted multiple times. Will not go into details. But if people think the competition just caught up Lee, or he lost his tank, or he is now freezing out there, or has weight issues, or is burned out, etc. pull your head out as you obviously don’t know Lee or the coaches. Speculate all you want that is what message boards are for. But how here are really Hawk fans when you post some of this shit? All I will say is “Lee is a tough son of a gun and working towards March.”

 

[donboy6499]

The exact thing happened the last time the two wrestled. Lee just reacted better, which is also a sign that he was simply fatigued this time.

That's the thing, here's how matches go with Spencer when he's been healthy since about 2013:

He stalks a guy, takes down the guy, tilts or double arm bars the guy until he techs him or pins him. The only matches that didn't happen is where the other guy just evacuates and settles for like one shot. Think last year's finals.

This idea that people are just now exploiting him is laughable. No light bulb went off this year for Picc, he knew what was coming last March and couldn't handle it. Ryan and NaTo knew what was coming. But he's just off right now.

 

[JohnBasedow]

My guess is they were fed some BS in Stillwater that everything is fine because it’s a tight lipped thing.

 

[Im4Iowa]

I know these are message boards. And people like to sling crap. But anybody with half no just a 1/4 brain can watch. I have posted multiple times. Will not go into details. But if people think the competition just caught up Lee, or he lost his tank, or he is now freezing out there, or has weight issues, or is burned out, etc. pull your head out as you obviously don’t know Lee or the coaches. Speculate all you want that is what message boards are for. But how here are really Hawk fans when you post some of this shit? All I will say is “Lee is a tough son of a gun and working towards March.”

KujawaFan - you seem to know what’s going on with Lee and I won’t even ask you to share because it’s none of my business. But based on what you know, do you think he can get a little healthier by The NCAA tourney and be a serious contender? He’s such a great kid and ambassador for Iowa wrestling and it absolutely sucks watching him struggle like this.

 

[BanjoSaysWoof]

7 minutes? Spencer Lee can’t even wrestle 4 minutes right now without being shot.

What, Turk shows up at the 4 minute mark??

JOKES!!!

 

[Inthecircle]

Its really as simple as the eye test, and he's not passing it. I am 99.99% certain there isn't a damn thing he can do about it currently.

I Concur and yet he still battles.

 

[MonteHawkeyeSS]

FLO thought Spencer had his groove back last week so they have to double down now. Terrible take. Any moran knows he’s not at full strength. Watch the Picc match from ncaas last year. Picc got in deep and Spencer turned it into a takedown and eventually the fall. But now he fluke pins him and he’s passed him by? Come on. Be smarter Willis.

 

[mtwesthawk]

I know these are message boards. And people like to sling crap. But anybody with half no just a 1/4 brain can watch. I have posted multiple times. Will not go into details. But if people think the competition just caught up Lee, or he lost his tank, or he is now freezing out there, or has weight issues, or is burned out, etc. pull your head out as you obviously don’t know Lee or the coaches. Speculate all you want that is what message boards are for. But how here are really Hawk fans when you post some of this shit? All I will say is “Lee is a tough son of a gun and working towards March.”

KujawaFan - you seem to know what’s going on with Lee and I won’t even ask you to share because it’s none of my business. But based on what you know, do you think he can get a little healthier by The NCAA tourney and be a serious contender? He’s such a great kid and ambassador for Iowa wrestling and it absolutely sucks watching him struggle like this.

Not Kujawa, but will engage in this thread with a similar theme. For those who are questioning Lee’s ability, skill, mentality, dedication etc, they are barking up the wrong tree. I won’t disclose any medical details, but will suggest that people trust those who have shared he is not, has not been, and will not be 100% by season’s end. He is improving and should continue to do so, and his performance thus far given what he’s dealing with has been borderline superhuman. Only time will tell what he can do in the next few weeks, but please don’t doubt the kid for a malady that he has no control over, and one that he has shown far more strength and resilience through than most others.

 

[MVPFAN]

The skills that have allowed Spencer to be a multi world champ, to come off an ACL repair and dominate the NCAAs last year, those skills are not some secret or mystery. The techniques he has used to dominate people are nothing out of the ordinary. It's like football, I'm going to run it down your throat and you can't stop me. You think all this time he can impose his will on people but then all of the sudden a light went on and they figured him out? Hell no! Tomato, Suriano, Picc, Rivera and all their coaches, you think they were clueless about how to game plan his stuff last year? His stuff is well known and has been, actually stopping him was the issue, not some mystery about strategy. The strength and stamina are not at 100%, when they are he rips guys apart. It looks like him getting to 100% this year might not happen. Guess what, Tom still has to coach him to win the damn thing because even if he does not get to 100% he can still win it. They might have to adjust things a bit if he can't do the things he is used to doing. He might not be able to get away with things he could before. They have had to wrestle him because he needed the training. Last year I thought he made a big gain between the end of the regular season and Big Tens and a bigger gain between Big Tens and NCAAs. The training will taper off some and focus more on individual strategy now. I'm hoping his body will get a boost and make some big jumps in strength heading into the tournaments. If anyone can push through and win it is Spencer being lead by TnT, I 100% believe he can do it.

 

[MVPFAN]

FLO thought Spencer had his groove back last week so they have to double down now. Terrible take. Any moran knows he’s not at full strength. Watch the Picc match from ncaas last year. Picc got in deep and Spencer turned it into a takedown and eventually the fall. But now he fluke pins him and he’s passed him by? Come on. Be smarter Willis.

Pinning lazy ass Oliver and Wisky's back up are a sure sign he is 100%, lol Flo.

 

[MVPFAN]

Not Kujawa, but will engage in this thread with a similar theme. For those who are questioning Lee’s ability, skill, mentality, dedication etc, they are barking up the wrong tree. I won’t disclose any medical details, but will suggest that people trust those who have shared he is not, has not been, and will not be 100% by season’s end. He is improving and should continue to do so, and his performance thus far given what he’s dealing with has been borderline superhuman. Only time will tell what he can do in the next few weeks, but please don’t doubt the kid for a malady that he has no control over, and one that he has shown far more strength and resilience through than most others.

Amen!

 

[Lambertt]

Flo guys say nothing is wrong with him and he’s just getting passed by guys.

Bullshit

 

[fufighters]

Flo guys say nothing is wrong with him and he’s just getting passed by guys.

Yeah Flo guy (that does not stop talking cutting everyone off ) heard from guys in the know, coaches told him while he was in Stillwater.... say nothing is wrong with him.

 

[pablow]

Still waiting for Smalls to appear to tell us we're paranoid.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Not Kujawa, but will engage in this thread with a similar theme. For those who are questioning Lee’s ability, skill, mentality, dedication etc, they are barking up the wrong tree. I won’t disclose any medical details, but will suggest that people trust those who have shared he is not, has not been, and will not be 100% by season’s end. He is improving and should continue to do so, and his performance thus far given what he’s dealing with has been borderline superhuman. Only time will tell what he can do in the next few weeks, but please don’t doubt the kid for a malady that he has no control over, and one that he has shown far more strength and resilience through than most others.

Is it too much to ask how you learned what’s wrong with Spencer?

 

[KujawaFan]

MT - thanks. No I will not be saying anymore than what I have. He will be better as time progresses. Whether it is enough I don’t know. I do know that it takes time. And it is not this BS people are posting. I stand by my quote. Came from a pretty good source. Sometimes while training through stuff can be hard for those that actually have wrestled they know. I have said for awhile he will be fine come March when the lights are on. Whether that is enough we shall see. I was hopeful he would be close, but as MT said what he is is incredible and I believe he will be ready.

 

[mtwesthawk]

Is it too much to ask how you learned what’s wrong with Spencer?

I have a source I get lots of info from that is closely connected to the athletic programs, just generally choose not to share as I'd like to protect the source and don't want information to become unavailable. Sorry I can't share more details.

 

[pawrestler4life]

I thought it had to be a medical issue, but I am starting to wonder. If Spencer is dealing with a medical issue his teammates must know about it. His teammates all have roommates, girlfriends and home town buddies. They all have acccess to the internet. How is this not getting out to the public? Spencer is one of the biggest stars in college wrestling. If this ends up being a medical issue I give kudos to the team for keeping their mouths shut.

loose lips sink ships

 

[blcoach80]

I have said it before and others with a lot more insider info than me have confirmed it. Something is wrong with him. Anybody who can't see that isn't worth arguing about it with. His stamina and strength are visibly not there. To think a couple guys that he dominated last year suddenly improved by leaps and bounds to catch and pass him is just plain stupid! He widened the gap on those guys the second time he wrestled them last year in every case (3rd time for Nato)! They must have forgot to game plan for him after the first matches?! Instead of wondering if something is wrong, people need to wonder how he can dominate all but a very short list of guys as a shell of his normal self right now. With very little improvement in his condition (whatever that is) he can still be a champ again this year. At 90% I don't think anyone touches him. At 100% he will destroy everyone in 125. His end all result this year is anyone's guess as nobody know where he will be at in a month. Can we please drop this until April?????

 

[artradley]

He did get pinned by letting his head get close to his knee with fifteen or so seconds in the period. I’m guessing someone saw a tendency and exploited it.

The other two times they wrestled, Lee was up by ten points by that point in the match. Either every top-ten wrestler has suddenly figure Lee out, or there's something wrong with him.

 

[fizzyskittles]

The other two times they wrestled, Lee was up by ten points by that point in the match. Either every top-ten wrestler has suddenly figure Lee out, or there's something wrong with him.

Or he made a mistake here and got caught. Or it’s a combination of things.

 

[artradley]

Or he made a mistake here and got caught. Or it’s a combination of things.

What part of “he was up by ten points” the last two times they wrestled are you having trouble with? Did a mistake four minutes into the match wipe out ten points that I missed? There is clearly a medical issue — trying to find a different explanation is insulting to him.

 

[IAChief32]

Still waiting for Smalls to appear to tell us we're paranoid.

If he did appear, I would imagine it would look like this: "You Hawk fans need to chill out, because

...and that's all I have to say about that."

 

[Exo]

If he did appear, I would imagine it would look like this: "You Hawk fans need to chill out, because

...and that's all I have to say about that."

Haha, yes. Shouldn't our subscription fees be prorated to reflect the amount of time we stared at the rainbow screen?

 

[fizzyskittles]

What part of “he was up by ten points” the last two times they wrestled are you having trouble with? Did a mistake four minutes into the match wipe out ten points that I missed? There is clearly a medical issue — trying to find a different explanation is insulting to him.

He clearly got pinned. What sort of that can’t you see?
No one has specific information, but to mevif he’s affected that badly he should be resting . I’ve had a few medical issues , and certain I’ll eses such as my shingles required rest . Wrestling at a sub optimal level isn’t resting for a disease that causes fatigue.
If he has a musculoskeletal condition like say a shoulder issue, you either go or don’t . You either need surgery or not. If it’s a PT type of thing you might need rest, or you should be able to go hard.
There isn’t a lot of in between there .

 

[fizzyskittles]

What part of “he was up by ten points” the last two times they wrestled are you having trouble with? Did a mistake four minutes into the match wipe out ten points that I missed? There is clearly a medical issue — trying to find a different explanation is insulting to him.

Pins wipe out all points btw.