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Spencer Lee's next 4 opponents

Bruce Kinseth orchestrated one of the most impressive postseason runs in college wrestling history.

In the biggest meets against the highest caliber of competition, the University of Iowa grappler provided Hawkeye fans with one of the most memorable performances, pinning his way to the 150-pound NCAA Championship in 1979 at Ames.

He also pinned his way through the Big Ten tournament, making Kinseth the only wrestler to accomplish the feat. (CR Gazette)
It’s a possibility, but as a pragmatic older guy I caution people to don’t miss out on greatness by hoping for something that’s really next to impossible.
The run you mentioned ( thanks for that) was 44 years ago. One time in all of ncaa history. They’ve run the tourney since 1928 and this is even more rare than four timers which Lee will be number 5.
 
True, but pinning your way through both tournaments? I doubt it.
Lee is one of the best ever I enjoy watching him, but he’s not at that level . Even Shute got beat loool
First with the Big Ten's - just who would he not be favored to pin? Each match is its own entity. While I agree it is a long shot to do them all in a row, I wouldn't bet against any single match being one.
 
I think it was Flo, going into 2018 Natty’s, that posted a graphic for people to vote on who would win 125. They listed three or four wrestlers not named Spencer, then had the last category of “the field”.

Lee went on to destroy the competition and came to be known (at least temporarily) as The Field.

Someone with better memory of the fine details, please jump in and correct me. I couldn’t find the graphic.
 
Spencer is psychologically at the highest point I have seen in his career. It took a lot of guts to win his last two titles. His physical health seems strong. I did hold my breath when Barnett had the foot with the bent knee yesterday, hoping like hell he didn’t limp back to the middle.
We shall see where it all plays out.
Like most others I pray he just stays physically healthy.
as someone who is very experienced with an ACL I will say that bent knee didn't' bother me one bit as it is the same thing the surgeon does on follow-up visits. You would be shocked at how much wrenching and wanking the surgeon does to the joint after ACL repair. You'd swear they were trying to re-tear the ACL they fixed.
 
I think it was Flo, going into 2018 Natty’s, that posted a graphic for people to vote on who would win 125. They listed three or four wrestlers not named Spencer, then had the last category of “the field”.

Lee went on to destroy the competition and came to be known (at least temporarily) as The Field.

Someone with better memory of the fine details, please jump in and correct me. I couldn’t find the graphic.
That’s awesome.
 
as someone who is very experienced with an ACL I will say that bent knee didn't' bother me one bit as it is the same thing the surgeon does on follow-up visits. You would be shocked at how much wrenching and wanking the surgeon does to the joint after ACL repair. You'd swear they were trying to re-tear the ACL they fixed.
I had a patellar tendon repair on a clean rupture back in 2014. The doc said that tendon might be stronger than my uninjured leg.
 
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I think it was Flo, going into 2018 Natty’s, that posted a graphic for people to vote on who would win 125. They listed three or four wrestlers not named Spencer, then had the last category of “the field”.

Lee went on to destroy the competition and came to be known (at least temporarily) as The Field.

Someone with better memory of the fine details, please jump in and correct me. I couldn’t find the graphic.
Yep, this was spot on in describing how he got the nickname "The Field".
 
The deeper this season gets the guys are gonna do less and less. He’s gonna have to run down guys. Someone is bound to be too good at doing nothing and have a ref swallow his whistle resulting in just a major for Spencer. Unless he literally rips their arms off and beats them with it, nicely of course.
 
Something definitely looks different with him now. S.Lee with a chip on his shoulder is a scary man. I'd say anything is possible at this point. I've always hated all the roll through defense in neutral these days. So much f*n watching Spencer smash it.

I agree with this completely. Can't stand that so many wrestlers will be in a great position to get a takedown, but let their opponent roll onto their own back to grab an ankle and hold on for a stalemate. I love how Spencer counters that and punishes them. Tony Ramos also referenced that move "never roll" in one of his NCAA wins back in the day.
 
It’s a possibility, but it’s easy to get caught up in the hype when you see greatness. In investing it’s called FOMO, fear of missing out.
I used Nickal as an example , in 2018 he suckers Martin into that pin. The next year he beats Moore 5-1. Pins are hard to get at the tourney so I doubt it. There’s a reason why certain streaks only last so long. 56, 14-0, 2130, 2632 and other numbers mean something.
A pun streak at that level is a similar run. But until the streak is stopped , it goes on. It definitely be great to see.
Bourbon dude, I believe in another thread you had said you are somewhat new to the sport? In any case you make some valid points and give some examples to back your position. The wrestlers you are talking about are certainly some of the best of the best!

However, none are SPENCER LEE!!!! We are not talking about "catching someone" for a fall. Lee is putting a beat down on most of the very best at his weight. He has pinned 3 top 10 kids in a row! He has done so in a most absurd fashion. I have been in wrestling for about 45 years. I have never seen anything like it!

I know some have pinned there way thru NCAAs, I may have to go back and watch some old matches if I can find them? Maybe some of the older guys were as dominate?

At this point, everyone has to be hoping he is getting healthier and healthier ever day and is going to be a full 100% soon and from here on out! You will then get to not only see him go thru another NCAA tournament, but also Worlds and Olympics.
 
The deeper this season gets the guys are gonna do less and less. He’s gonna have to run down guys. Someone is bound to be too good at doing nothing and have a ref swallow his whistle resulting in just a major for Spencer. Unless he literally rips their arms off and beats them with it, nicely of course.
My thoughts too.
 
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Bourbon dude, I believe in another thread you had said you are somewhat new to the sport? In any case you make some valid points and give some examples to back your position. The wrestlers you are talking about are certainly some of the best of the best!

However, none are SPENCER LEE!!!! We are not talking about "catching someone" for a fall. Lee is putting a beat down on most of the very best at his weight. He has pinned 3 top 10 kids in a row! He has done so in a most absurd fashion. I have been in wrestling for about 45 years. I have never seen anything like it!

I know some have pinned there way thru NCAAs, I may have to go back and watch some old matches if I can find them? Maybe some of the older guys were as dominate?

At this point, everyone has to be hoping he is getting healthier and healthier ever day and is going to be a full 100% soon and from here on out! You will then get to not only see him go thru another NCAA tournament, but also Worlds and Olympics.
Some have and he’s great but pins at this level snd in the tourney are rare. You’re basically saying he’s going to have the best day ever multiple times .
A day that just a few tourney wrestlers have had out of thousands of wrestlers. All you need is one guy defend well enough to not get pinned .
Imagine pitching shut out wins through the playoffs and World Series.
I don’t doubt his ability but I really doubt he’ll pin out through the tourney .
 
The deeper this season gets the guys are gonna do less and less. He’s gonna have to run down guys. Someone is bound to be too good at doing nothing and have a ref swallow his whistle resulting in just a major for Spencer. Unless he literally rips their arms off and beats them with it, nicely of course.
All he has to do is take top when it’s his choice. Unfortunately it’s auto bottom most of the time. When he’s this lethal on top I just don’t agree w taking bottom. JMO
 
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All he has to do is take top when it’s his choice. Unfortunately it’s auto bottom most of the time. When he’s this lethal on top I just don’t agree w taking bottom. JMO
With how he looks this year, he could choose to start on his back and still win easy. But I like your idea, especially in certain situations. Even so, it also doesn't hurt to have a few live bottom starts just to stay sharp.
 
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All he has to do is take top when it’s his choice. Unfortunately it’s auto bottom most of the time. When he’s this lethal on top I just don’t agree w taking bottom. JMO
Hard to argue with that. I think when he’s getting multiple takedowns in the first, it doesn’t matter. If he has a scoreless first sometime, then I’d like to see him take top. No one with two brain cells is taking bottom against him.
 
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Spencer is psychologically at the highest point I have seen in his career. It took a lot of guts to win his last two titles. His physical health seems strong. I did


I still think he was better during the 2019/20 season. When he plowed through Senior Nationals you could see the confidence and excitement in his interviews. He was ready to cruise through NCAAs and go on to an Olympic gold.
 
Its clear to see this actually a different dare I say improved Spencer
Some have and he’s great but pins at this level snd in the tourney are rare. You’re basically saying he’s going to have the best day ever multiple times .
A day that just a few tourney wrestlers have had out of thousands of wrestlers. All you need is one guy defend well enough to not get pinned .
Imagine pitching shut out wins through the playoffs and World Series.
I don’t doubt his ability but I really doubt he’ll pin out through the tourney .
He will pin or tech almost everyone straight through the team trails. Where a major comes in is a guy like Courtney is allowed to run track instead of wrestle.
 
Its clear to see this actually a different dare I say improved Spencer

He will pin or tech almost everyone straight through the team trails. Where a major comes in is a guy like Courtney is allowed to run track instead of wrestle.
That’s pretty likely . I don’t see anyone beating him in the current time and the near future. I’m unfamiliar with the international community so I can’t speculate on that .
 
The deeper this season gets the guys are gonna do less and less. He’s gonna have to run down guys. Someone is bound to be too good at doing nothing and have a ref swallow his whistle resulting in just a major for Spencer. Unless he literally rips their arms off and beats them with it, nicely of course.
I was mulling things over and I’ve seen a lot of hyped things that haven’t panned out. Four titles is amazing and I think with his current performance level people have shifted their focuses to now how he’s winning.
And like any sport streak it’s tough to match because of so many factors . I guess it’s what makes wrestling fun, you can always do better so you keep trying.
 
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That’s pretty likely . I don’t see anyone beating him in the current time and the near future. I’m unfamiliar with the international community so I can’t speculate on that .
His top competition in the US are going to be Gilman and Suriano, and I believe both those guys will be able to slow Spencer down a bit, both are very strong and have great defense. The top international guys are Uguev from Russia, Abakarov ( Who is also Russian ) from Albania and Higuchi from Japan. These guys are going to be extremely tuff to beat, if we have a shot at gold in 2024 its Spencer Lee!
 
His top competition in the US are going to be Gilman and Suriano, and I believe both those guys will be able to slow Spencer down a bit, both are very strong and have great defense. The top international guys are Uguev from Russia, Abakarov ( Who is also Russian ) from Albania and Higuchi from Japan. These guys are going to be extremely tuff to beat, if we have a shot at gold in 2024 its Spencer Lee!
Thanks Grip, sounds like we're in great shape with Lee. Hope he stays healthy.
 
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I am here to eat crow. My grandpa always said, "If your going to eat crow eat it fresh." I was on the Lee wasn't all the way back group. I have to say he is more than back. If he can get his lungs to last in the 3rd, he will win out comfortably. (Providing someone can survive the onslaught.) I think the time off with his knees he improved an already impressive upper body and grip strength. Forgive me for doubting the kid is looking untouchable at the moment. Good for him. I never want to see anyone go out because of injury.
 
I am here to eat crow. My grandpa always said, "If your going to eat crow eat it fresh." I was on the Lee wasn't all the way back group. I have to say he is more than back. If he can get his lungs to last in the 3rd, he will win out comfortably. (Providing someone can survive the onslaught.) I think the time off with his knees he improved an already impressive upper body and grip strength. Forgive me for doubting the kid is looking untouchable at the moment. Good for him. I never want to see anyone go out because of injury.

I want to preface this by saying I am as big of a Spencer Lee fan as there is. I am anxious for him to one day be the Iowa head coach. And I am happy and surprised at how good he has looked since the Ayala match. I am about 100x more optimistic than I was a few weeks ago.

That said, he has been so dominant we have not had a chance to see what he would look like in the 3rd period against a high level opponent. And he has been taken down a couple of times, and even given up back points a couple of times - something a healthy Lee just does not do.

So while he is certainly kicking butt and taking names, I am not certain he is at his peak yet. I would be worried about a match with, say, Dayton Fix. And even Glory could put together a strategic match where he keeps it close to the third period and put himself in a position to score on an exhausted Lee.
 
In case y'all hadn't noticed, Mr. Lee is a god, and can do whatever he wills.
(lower case "g" so as to avoid blasphemy)
How tough can it be for him to pin multitudes of mere humans?
 
I still think he was better during the 2019/20 season. When he plowed through Senior Nationals you could see the confidence and excitement in his interviews. He was ready to cruise through NCAAs and go on to an Olympic gold.
This is a valid point. He was on a tear. The storyline was, “I can train for both folk and free because there isn’t much difference.”
He was set to meet Glory in the finals.
His run through Senior Nationals was convincing. Thanks for the reminder.

My comments are based off the “swagger” he’s carrying this year. He did say he’s always been like this, he’s just showing it. I think there’s something to this.

I’d like to state that pinning his way through BT and NCAA is a distinct possibility. It’s not a given or an absolute this is going to happen. Guys can try and run on him or turtle up. Spencer now has the ability to aggressively pursue his opponents without worrying about his physical abilities to sprawl, counter, and take some calculated chances. He’d be the first to tell you his goal each time out is to dominate and pin his competition.
 
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I just watched Cronin vs. McKee and Medley vs. Barnett. These are good wrestlers
Add in DeAugustino, Ramos, Heinselman and Peterson and you have a deep unpredictable 125 weight class in the Big Ten. With the exception of Medley (15/20)& Peterson (11/14) they are all ranked in the top ten.
Then you have Spencer.
I’d be curious to know his forearm measurements compared to other 125 pounders.
 
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Spencer's recent interview told more about Spencer and his mindset and technique than I have heard from him in about 6 years.
Spencer talked about the first period and the difference between 2-0 and 6-0. No one would score six points on him without him scoring so would be hard to beat him. Mindset.
Had to re-learn some things as there were certain positions he would stay out of or wouldn't go for certain moves in certain positions. Paraphrasing, but he is confident in his legs to open up his arsenal. Spencer expanding upon what he is already good at is scary. Seeing Spencer feeling things more comfortably on the mat is exciting.
Spencer saying rankings don't matter as it is 0-0 and you toe the line. Always nervous, but he wrestles just as hard in all three positions. Looking to turn not ride, looking for a reversal, not an escape, and always the take down to back from feet. Just an uncanny attitude and love of being on the mat.
Tells me after all his time in college, I am just now starting to see the best Spencer Lee.
 
I want to preface this by saying I am as big of a Spencer Lee fan as there is. I am anxious for him to one day be the Iowa head coach. And I am happy and surprised at how good he has looked since the Ayala match. I am about 100x more optimistic than I was a few weeks ago.

That said, he has been so dominant we have not had a chance to see what he would look like in the 3rd period against a high level opponent. And he has been taken down a couple of times, and even given up back points a couple of times - something a healthy Lee just does not do.

So while he is certainly kicking butt and taking names, I am not certain he is at his peak yet. I would be worried about a match with, say, Dayton Fix. And even Glory could put together a strategic match where he keeps it close to the third period and put himself in a position to score on an exhausted Lee.
Agreed. People are seeing the pins and thinking he's fully back, but I think that's more to do with the additional strength he has this year, and that he's still got another level to go. His match with Medley in 10 days will be a good litmus test for him, IMO. The run in 2019-20 he didn't get the major the first time against Medley but then got the tech the second time by going with a takedown and cut strategy.

You can go to the 1 hour and 26 minute mark in the link above to see it if you have B1G+
 
as someone who is very experienced with an ACL I will say that bent knee didn't' bother me one bit as it is the same thing the surgeon does on follow-up visits. You would be shocked at how much wrenching and wanking the surgeon does to the joint after ACL repair. You'd swear they were trying to re-tear the ACL they fixed.
I don't want the surgeon wanking anything. Unless she's attractive. And in that case we need pics.
 
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You would be shocked at how much wrenching and wanking the surgeon does to the joint after ACL repair.
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