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This is good. This is the best post-election analysis I’ve read, from Professor Christopher Robichaud, Senior Lecturer in Ethics and Public Policy, Harvard:
“I'll say this, and then I likely won't be saying much more on here for quite some time, to the relief of some, I'm sure. But my farewell warning is this.
Everyone in the days and weeks ahead will use this loss as an opportunity to seek validation for their own hobby horse complaint. Harris lost because she campaigned with Liz Cheney. Harris lost because she didn't embrace Gaza. Harris lost because she didn't choose Shapiro. Harris lost because she wasn't progressive enough (possibly my favorite one).
Take a good hard look at the map, my friends. Trump has won the popular vote. Trump ran the table. Explaining that with your hobby horse issue isn't going to cut it, tempting and consoling as it may be. The problem isn't the electoral college. The problem isn't that we didn't have a full primary. The problem isn't Harris. The problem isn't that Dems didn't have the right message. The problem isn't even inflation or the border.
The problem is so much worse than any of those things. Those are all technical problems, with straightforward expertise fixes. If only it were so! No, our problem is not technical. It's very much adaptive. A party that embraced the Big Lie, supported an insurrection, and has been selling conspiracy-addled madness for years was widely and enthusiastically embraced. Voter turnout was profound! People didn't sit this out.
Simply put, the problem--as some of you have rightly posted--is cultural. America, culturally, has completely abandoned a politics of decency and respect and has embraced instead a politics of resentment, revenge, false nostalgia, and bullying. And if you look at the demographics, you also won't be able to comfort yourself that it's just a white thing, or a working class thing, or an education thing. It's multi-class, multi-gender, multi-educational and multi-racial. That's what winning the popular vote means. That's what running the table amounts to.
A culture that has descended to this level of debasement is not easily fixed. In fact it may not ever be fixed. The timeline for changing something like this is decades--at best--not two-to-four year election cycles. You can extend that in this case, because with the GOP likely controlling all branches of federal government and the courts, they will ensure that mechanisms are in place to keep them in power long after their popularity has waned. You can count on that.
The GOP evolved into a party of rage, lies, and revenge--and it correctly diagnosed that there was and is a large appetite for that. That's what the country wants. At least, enough of the country wants it to ensure broad appeal and widespread electoral success. The old GOP will never return, and the Dems have nothing to say to American culture at the moment. Nothing. They've been speaking to a country that's gone, like dust in the wind.
And that's my final thought, which my posts last night alluded to. The America I knew and loved is gone. This new America--nah, I won't even bother. I will say that cultural change is less likely to occur in politics, or in the academy. You're not going to get people to see how vulgar they've become through a clever argument or a nice campaign speech, that's for sure.
This would be time for the arts, broadly understood, to step in. The arts can change hearts and minds. Too bad the arts have been systematically dismantled in education in this country, and on the other end, the tech industry's assault on the arts through AI is sure to hollow out any good-faith efforts that might emerge.
And for the rest of the world, America's rightward lurch is, I'm afraid, bad news for you too. I know you know this. Because it's not isolated, is it? It's just at the moment the most prominent example of a burgeoning trend. And this will embolden others in other countries, to be sure. We need not speculate what happens when countries become mired in lies, embrace resentment, and savor bullying. We know exactly what happens. Bloody conflict and global destabilization.
The first quarter of the 21st century will therefore in hindsight be viewed as the seed-planting stage for the absolute shit show that's about to unfold globally over the next two and a half decades. Count on it.
Adopt whatever coping and endurance strategies you have available. You're going to need it.
I think that's all I've left to say.”
 
So much outrage 🤣

Dems get their asses handed to them and all they got is the same ole crap. Until they start admitting their policies suck and not what the American people want, they are going to continue losing elections.

Don’t wait too long or this shift in voting could become permanent.
 
imo article is correct in saying that the problem wasn't the EC or Harris but rest of it is bunkum.

the problem was indeed the messaging which is same as saying the underlying platform no longer resonates with needs of the day. what worked for obama in that environment isn't what the people need now. the requirements are very different. it was not apparent before the verdict but now that we have the result that much is certain.

writing off americans as a angry vulgar mob speaks more to the author's state of mind than anything else. he is a defeatist loon. the dems can very easily rectify their prospects by removing a few objectionable (to their constituents) pieces of their platform and comeback roaring in 4 years.
 
imo article is correct in saying that the problem wasn't the EC or Harris but rest of it is bunkum.

the problem was indeed the messaging which is same as saying the underlying platform no longer resonates with needs of the day. what worked for obama in that environment isn't what the people need now. the requirements are very different. it was not apparent before the verdict but now that we have the result that much is certain.

writing off americans as a angry vulgar mob speaks more to the author's state of mind than anything else. he is a defeatist loon. the dems can very easily rectify their prospects by removing a few objectionable (to their constituents) pieces of their platform and comeback roaring in 4 years.
He makes several great points about the embrace of the big lie and the GOP that very part is fact and true while I also agree with your points as well.
 
Looking at things you can't change and blaming your opponent for failure to achieve a goal is a recipe for future failures. The Dems took the unpopular vice president of an unpopular president and ran her as their candidate. It's mostly Biden's fault for ever running in the first place, but people around him it seems could have also been more forceful earlier on in convincing him to keep his promise not to do so. To not acknowledge that seems intellectually dishonest.
 
I, for one, rest easy at night knowing the dems are still around to fix things for all the raging racists out there
 
Looking at things you can't change and blaming your opponent for failure to achieve a goal is a recipe for future failures. The Dems took the unpopular vice president of an unpopular president and ran her as their candidate. It's mostly Biden's fault for ever running in the first place, but people around him it seems could have also been more forceful earlier on in convincing him to keep his promise not to do so. To not acknowledge that seems intellectually dishonest.
I agree with a lot of this article and it most certainly applies to the all in GOP aka MAGA for sure but yes I agree with your points as well. It's not quite that bad overall as a country but the GOP for sure is all of this and we need to find a way to overcome it.
 
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What a ridiculous take. Maybe it is time for democrats to take a look in the mirror. Maybe, just maybe the American people have had enough of the democrats crap politics and arrogance in always assuming they know what’s best for everyone. This shit is so annoying.
 
Looking at things you can't change and blaming your opponent for failure to achieve a goal is a recipe for future failures. The Dems took the unpopular vice president of an unpopular president and ran her as their candidate. It's mostly Biden's fault for ever running in the first place, but people around him it seems could have also been more forceful earlier on in convincing him to keep his promise not to do so. To not acknowledge that seems intellectually dishonest.
Any Dem would be unpopular. That's kinda the point. No matter what job they do, Rs will unanimously say they're the worst ever.
 
I agree with a lot of this article and it most certainly applies to the all in GOP aka MAGA for sure but yes I agree with your points as well. It's not quite that bad overall as a country but the GOP for sure is all of this and we need to find a way to overcome it.

You do realize it wasn’t just the MAGA, or even GOP, that voted trump in, right?
 
What a ridiculous take. Maybe it is time for democrats to take a look in the mirror. Maybe, just maybe the American people have had enough of the democrats crap politics and arrogance in always assuming they know what’s best for everyone. This shit is so annoying.
You're out to lunch if you think this has anything to do with policy. The policy Biden supported, like infrastructure, is the same policy the Rs tried to take credit for. Hell, Biden even tried to pass a super conservative border bill and the Rs still said no.
 
You're out to lunch if you think this has anything to do with policy. The policy Biden supported, like infrastructure, is the same policy the Rs tried to take credit for. Hell, Biden even tried to pass a super conservative border bill and the Rs still said no.
Correct it does amaze me how so many still can't grasp this.
 
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You're out to lunch if you think this has anything to do with policy. The policy Biden supported, like infrastructure, is the same policy the Rs tried to take credit for. Hell, Biden even tried to pass a super conservative border bill and the Rs still said no.

The people have spoken. The sooner you accept it, the better for you. Time for the democrats to listen.
 
This is good. This is the best post-election analysis I’ve read, from Professor Christopher Robichaud, Senior Lecturer in Ethics and Public Policy, Harvard:
“I'll say this, and then I likely won't be saying much more on here for quite some time, to the relief of some, I'm sure. But my farewell warning is this.
Everyone in the days and weeks ahead will use this loss as an opportunity to seek validation for their own hobby horse complaint. Harris lost because she campaigned with Liz Cheney. Harris lost because she didn't embrace Gaza. Harris lost because she didn't choose Shapiro. Harris lost because she wasn't progressive enough (possibly my favorite one).
Take a good hard look at the map, my friends. Trump has won the popular vote. Trump ran the table. Explaining that with your hobby horse issue isn't going to cut it, tempting and consoling as it may be. The problem isn't the electoral college. The problem isn't that we didn't have a full primary. The problem isn't Harris. The problem isn't that Dems didn't have the right message. The problem isn't even inflation or the border.
The problem is so much worse than any of those things. Those are all technical problems, with straightforward expertise fixes. If only it were so! No, our problem is not technical. It's very much adaptive. A party that embraced the Big Lie, supported an insurrection, and has been selling conspiracy-addled madness for years was widely and enthusiastically embraced. Voter turnout was profound! People didn't sit this out.
Simply put, the problem--as some of you have rightly posted--is cultural. America, culturally, has completely abandoned a politics of decency and respect and has embraced instead a politics of resentment, revenge, false nostalgia, and bullying. And if you look at the demographics, you also won't be able to comfort yourself that it's just a white thing, or a working class thing, or an education thing. It's multi-class, multi-gender, multi-educational and multi-racial. That's what winning the popular vote means. That's what running the table amounts to.
A culture that has descended to this level of debasement is not easily fixed. In fact it may not ever be fixed. The timeline for changing something like this is decades--at best--not two-to-four year election cycles. You can extend that in this case, because with the GOP likely controlling all branches of federal government and the courts, they will ensure that mechanisms are in place to keep them in power long after their popularity has waned. You can count on that.
The GOP evolved into a party of rage, lies, and revenge--and it correctly diagnosed that there was and is a large appetite for that. That's what the country wants. At least, enough of the country wants it to ensure broad appeal and widespread electoral success. The old GOP will never return, and the Dems have nothing to say to American culture at the moment. Nothing. They've been speaking to a country that's gone, like dust in the wind.
And that's my final thought, which my posts last night alluded to. The America I knew and loved is gone. This new America--nah, I won't even bother. I will say that cultural change is less likely to occur in politics, or in the academy. You're not going to get people to see how vulgar they've become through a clever argument or a nice campaign speech, that's for sure.
This would be time for the arts, broadly understood, to step in. The arts can change hearts and minds. Too bad the arts have been systematically dismantled in education in this country, and on the other end, the tech industry's assault on the arts through AI is sure to hollow out any good-faith efforts that might emerge.
And for the rest of the world, America's rightward lurch is, I'm afraid, bad news for you too. I know you know this. Because it's not isolated, is it? It's just at the moment the most prominent example of a burgeoning trend. And this will embolden others in other countries, to be sure. We need not speculate what happens when countries become mired in lies, embrace resentment, and savor bullying. We know exactly what happens. Bloody conflict and global destabilization.
The first quarter of the 21st century will therefore in hindsight be viewed as the seed-planting stage for the absolute shit show that's about to unfold globally over the next two and a half decades. Count on it.
Adopt whatever coping and endurance strategies you have available. You're going to need it.
I think that's all I've left to say.”
Link?
thnx
 
Any Dem would be unpopular. That's kinda the point. No matter what job they do, Rs will unanimously say they're the worst ever.
Would they though? They have been in office much more often than the republicans over the years. That just changed over night and moving forward the republicans will dominate the White House? Sounds like dems won’t give up crying and making excuses why they lost.
 
Blame the electorate. That’ll fix the problem. Are Democrats even capable of productive introspection?

Harris lost convincingly to the same candidate Biden beat convincingly. When she ran for POTUS in 2020 she didn’t even make it out of 2019. She had low single digit support and dropped out before the primaries even began. Democrats rejected her then and they rejected her again this week.

Party leaders gambled that Biden still had enough energy and cognition to reach the finish line. And by the time they realized he didn’t, it was too late.

Having only three months to campaign certainly didn’t help Harris. But even if she had a year it might not have made a difference.

Newsom might have been able to beat Trump, even on the abbreviated time frame. But we’ll never know. Adding Shapiro or Whitmer to the ticket might have prevented the Blue Wall from crumbling for the second time in three elections. But we’ll never know.

America has a serious cultural problem, but that’s not why the Democrats lost this election. They lost this election because Biden either failed to understand or refused to accept that his job was to defeat Trump in 2020 and then pass the baton to the next generation.
 
Pretty easy to drive approval ratings into the ground when Rs will, by default, say everything you do is wrong.
Offer zero solutions, lie endlessly and blame blame blame. Popularity culture and yes, bullying as laid out correctly. All about Me Me Me and Mine Mine Mine too. Loss of seeing the big picture and the fundamentals of why. The GOP descending into this un-American cult with zero interest to govern for all and for and by the constitution is most of the current whys. Trump never should have been a candidate for them but they are a cult and not a functioning party and will never be again. These are all facts. Facts are hard and sometimes hurt. If your offended I'd dig a little deeper then as to why.
 
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Blame the electorate. That’ll fix the problem. Are Democrats even capable of productive introspection?

Harris lost convincingly to the same candidate Biden beat convincingly. When she ran for POTUS in 2020 she didn’t even make it out of 2019. She had low single digit support and dropped out before the primaries even began. Democrats rejected her then and they rejected her again this week.

Party leaders gambled that Biden still had enough energy and cognition to reach the finish line. And by the time they realized he didn’t, it was too late.

Having only three months to campaign certainly didn’t help Harris. But even if she had a year it might not have made a difference.

Newsom might have been able to beat Trump, even on the abbreviated time frame. But we’ll never know. Adding Shapiro or Whitmer to the ticket might have prevented the Blue Wall from crumbling for the second time in three elections. But we’ll never know.

America has a serious cultural problem, but that’s not why the Democrats lost this election. They lost this election because Biden either failed to understand or refused to accept that his job was to defeat Trump in 2020 and then pass the baton to the next generation.
I agree now that Biden should have declared he wouldn't run in 2023 this isn't an end all be all analysis but a lot of it is very true and spot on particularly for the all in GOP now MAGA party turned cult.
 
no. Again, You guys aren’t listening and until you do, you have a problem on your hands. This loss isn’t on the mangas, it’s on you. Take a look in the mirror and do some reflecting.
Trump never should have been a candidate he's the most unfit man ever to run for office and a literal felon. That is 100% on the GOP not functioning as a party loyal to our constitution and to governing for all in good faith. This is 100% fact.
 
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This person is idiotic and doesn't know anything. Didn't embrace Gaza? Good grief all she did was talk about having a ceasefire and the humanitarian losses in Gaza there by running down Jews. Didn't win because she didn't take Shapiro? Obviously this is true but she didn't take Shapiro because he's a Jew... And because she supports Gaza. Get a clue
 
People can deny it but there's definitely a cultural change in the US. There's a need to blame people for any problem, even if it's a natural problem. This is why you see the younger generations blaming the boomers. It's why you see people justifying why they quiet quit. It's why people don't have any issues with the idea of rounding up millions and deporting them. It's why there are people so angry about what was done during covid. And it's ok to disagree and even be mad, but in today's world, people are beyond angry to the point they're willing to hang people.

I don't know if our country will ever recover from this as it's impacting all age groups. Like i said in other posts, I'm a 61 year old white guy and just killing time until retirement. I'll let everyone else live the life of a victim and be pissed. Enjoy it because it becomes mentally an physically draining. I have a relative that was living that life and she eventually went nuts and had to be admitted to the hospital. Anger became her high until she couldn't contain it.
 
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Offer zero solutions, lie endlessly and blame blame blame. Popularity culture and yes, bullying as laid out correctly. All about Me Me Me and Mine Mine Mine too. Loss of seeing the big picture and the fundamentals of why. The GOP descending into this un-American cult with zero interest to govern for all and for and by the constitution is most of the current whys. Trump never should have been a candidate for them but they are a cult and not a functioning party and will never be again. These are all facts. Facts are hard and sometimes hurt. If your offended I'd dig a little deeper then as to why.
Example of a Democrat not self reflecting and still blaming the electorate lol. It’s crazy that you aren’t seeing what you are doing is what turns a lot off individual off from the Dems
 
Trump never should have been a candidate he's the most unfit man ever to run for office and a literal felon. That is 100% on the GOP not functioning as a party loyal to our constitution and to governing for all in good faith. This is 100% fact.

I don’t disagree with any of this. However, none of it is why Harris lost to trump.
 
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I don’t disagree with any of this. However, none of it is why Harris lost to trump.
Both things can be true and also the point of his article is spot on as to WHY the GOP is now what it is and why so many are fine with it. This is not an absolute on the country as a whole but it's pretty accurate in most aspects and things as well.
 
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People can deny it but there's definitely a cultural change in the US. There's a need to blame people for any problem, even if it's a natural problem. This is why you see the younger generations blaming the boomers. It's why you see people justifying why they quiet quit. It's why people don't have any issues with the idea of rounding up millions and deporting them. It's why there are people so angry about what was done during covid. And it's ok to disagree and even be mad, but in today's world, people are beyond angry to the point they're willing to hang people.

I don't know if our country will ever recover from this as it's impacting all age groups. Like i said in other posts, I'm a 61 year old white guy and just killing time until retirement. I'll let everyone else live the life of a victim and be pissed. Enjoy it because it becomes mentally an physically draining. I have a relative that was living that life and she eventually went nuts and had to be admitted to the hospital. Anger became her high until she couldn't contain it.
I don't blame people...just dem people
 
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You're out to lunch if you think this has anything to do with policy. The policy Biden supported, like infrastructure, is the same policy the Rs tried to take credit for. Hell, Biden even tried to pass a super conservative border bill and the Rs still said no.
"It's the economy, stupid" ~ James Carville

Oh, and about that border bill. You should actually read it. It doesn't say what you think it says.
 
Both things can be true and also the point of his article is spot on as to WHY the GOP is now what it is and why so many are fine with it. This is not an absolute on the country as a whole but it's pretty accurate in most aspects and things as well.

He does make a good point about maga and the gop, but we already know that. At the same time, he completely disregards everything else. Again, maga isn’t why Harris lost.
 
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This is good. This is the best post-election analysis I’ve read, from Professor Christopher Robichaud, Senior Lecturer in Ethics and Public Policy, Harvard:
“I'll say this, and then I likely won't be saying much more on here for quite some time, to the relief of some, I'm sure. But my farewell warning is this.
took you less than an hour to start another biased thread. Bravo!
 
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