So how do people who don't have rights that you have, give you rights to do what they can't do?
How can they take away rights, that they themselves have the right to give to others?
Statism more dangerous than Religion.
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So how do people who don't have rights that you have, give you rights to do what they can't do?
How can they take away rights, that they themselves have the right to give to others?
I'm not wasting 12 minutes on that. Bullet point your argument if you want a debate.
Although I know that all you are doing is fishing, which is silly, because you already know things,..but okay.
-Statism is more dangerous than religion, because it can actually use it's 'power' to affect real outcomes.
-Holocaust, Vietnam, Mao killing millions, etc, are all the product of statism.
-Johnny Politician can tell you to kill, seize and invade privacy, but Johnny politician isn't allowed to do those very things himself. If he is not allowed to do those things, why not? What do those reasons say then, about those rights?
-Sodom and Gamora likely didn't get destroyed by arcangels, but Nagasaki and Hiroshima most certainly got destroyed by statism.
-People adhere to their governmental beliefs so much, that when someone is killed unjustly, it's okay, IF they were killed by those who 'serve' justice.
-God doesn't kill indiscriminately because God likely doesn't exist, but their is proof up and down the board of statism killing people indiscriminately.
-Statism advocated and enforced slavery, the bible freed slaves, or at least that is what the story was.
-God supposedly knows all and sees all, these days government is one step away from doing the exact same. Difference? Government is real, and it can do you harm.
-God punishes those that don't serve, only not really. Government punishes those that don't serve, only really.
-Religion didn't organize the world wars, corrupt Governments did.
-Religion suggested marriage rights were for a select few. Government enforced that marriage rights were for a select few.
What say you Natural. I will require a point by point basis of your disagreements, and differences with these bullet points. TIA.
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With as much time as you waste on posting, you really expect us to believe you can't 'waste' 12 minutes?
Now you know how I feel when you guys post those super long articles that are basically op-eds.
Larken Rose is a very intense guy. He's really dead-on a lot of the time. He has a Chomsky-vibe, but he's a bit more rigid than Chomsky.
Yeah... 12 minutes to get information that might be vital to your understanding of something... that's asking way too much.
The problem with this argument is statism is civilization. Everything you love or hate about the human condition you can credit of blame on statism. The only alternative is individual isolated primitive living. Go into the woods if you want to live deliberately. But even there you are dependent on the state to maintain the woods.
You are completely wrong. This isn't about "comfortable living." That's relative. I think it's over your head anyway. It doesn't fit in the lib/con game.
Did you watch the video? I bet not. Because it's about all living, all laws, all authority all, civilization. That is statism. It's not hard to defend.
Hey nat. You and I tend to line up the same way on this board but I recommend wasting the 12 minutes, if for no other reason, see what the other side is up to. If nothing else, it's got some unfavorable things about cops in it.
Then our current definition of statism is the problem then? There are more alternatives, can you imagine some? Just for fun, imagine some for us.
Your description doesn't fit the video actually. You're a statist though, so that ain't surprising me.
Oh I did. I just wanted to make Prime work for his beat down.
Watch your own video again. Transcribe it and you'll see it.
Yeah... it's not a favorable assessment if you're someone who is bought-and-sold in the marketplace. I lifted that line from this exchange in Easy Rider:
I can't imagine any. It's the problem with your fantasy, it's not even remotely realistic.
I already did that, your statism won't let you understand that though. I can't help your even more ignorant than the extreme Christian.
If you can't imagine any, then you lack a necessary trait to being human. The ability to see beyond, what you are taught, but connecting with another part of your mind and creating new thoughts.
Your fantasy isn't very interesting. You don't even have the courage of your convictions.
That's funny. You'd be surprised just how courageous I am towards my ideas. Ideas, know and understand that word.
Statism is the natural and necessary condition that inherently arises any time two or more people occupy the same space. You can't even imagine a world where it doesn't exist, nor would you want to.
You wouldn't be online if this were true. Only be living in isolation can you even attempt to avoid the state. Good bye.
That's not at all true, and only proof of your inability to think around the rock.
This is what happens when you let two dumb people build a tent for the shelter you will need before the rain comes. Not only do you not know how to build a tent with out instruction, you don't even possess the necessary tools to do that, even if you knew how to improvise.
Still using statism to complain about statism I see. You mark yourself the hypocrite.
We're their rules governing the building of that tent? No? Then no, you don't have statism. You have individualism coming together to build a tent.
Go find yourself and come back to humanity.
You have no idea what you are saying at this point do you? Did I accidentally get you to start thinking without statist direction? Is that why you are lost? Perhaps, if you realize that we are never truly lost or found, you would then not be confused.
Of course there are rules and authority that play into every human interaction. Your video even admits as much. Statism is natural. Even now there are rules and authority that govern how you will reply to me here on the statist enabled Internet. As a guy who sets up networks you now everything has to be regulated to work properly. Working properly is the essence of Liberty. Statism is why you are free. It's the root of everything. It is the natural human condition.
Are there really rules? Or just the acceptance of those rules? You see statism doesn't require that the rules actually make sense, be moral, or have any decency. It just simply requires that you follow those rules at the command of the state.
It is not the natural human condition. It is the constructed and current human condition. You have accepted it and will follow it regardless. Similar to how religious people will follow the bible for fear of god. Difference? God won't smite you, but the state most certainly will. Regardless of whether you deserved it or not. Blind support of the state, is what allowed the holocaust to happen. Do you deny this?
I noted you followed several rules in your reply. You are not trying very hard to break free of authority.
You're only failing yourself. You're empowering the state, but failing yourself.
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