Supreme Court United States Unanimous: Pay NCAA Student Athletes

[burk11]

Significant to this discussion. As a result of the SCOTUS decision of last week, and the subsequent action by the NCAA (today, 1 July 2021), the real money, involved in collegiate athletics will remain under institutional control and NCAA control. That real money being television revenues, gate receipts, shoe contracts, parking, concessions, et al.

In effect the athlete will receive some of the table leftovers. In the coming years I believe we may see a brigade of very smart lawyers set in motion actions aimed at acquiring/sharing the real money. Not just table scraps.

 

[BBptg5]

I just don’t necessarily see this playing out like some here envision. All black and white with no gray.

At the most basic level, athletes can now get compensated for use of their NIL in commercial settings. That’s all.

The rest is conjecture. And even with my advanced imagination, I’m having a tough time connecting all the dots being laid out above.

Ok, the athletes can be “further” compensated. In theory I have no problem with that. My concern and in reality the problem is who will compensate them, how will they be compensated and when will they be compensated. Leaves unlimited opportunity illegal inducements.

 

[wasdt21]

bohanon(sp) is pushing fireworks

 

[BBptg5]

All of the best players/athletes already go to the top tier schools and markets. NIL will not change that. Those top tier athletes will now be able to make money based on how they are recognized in the community. Wrong or right, this really will not change how talent is currently dispersed... weather it be football, wrestling, basketball or volleyball. Actually, there are some niche mid-majors with strong ties to the community and possible NIL options (UNI ???) that may benefit.

You really think this will have no effect as to where athletes go, or end up? Example of the real world where financial inducements are permissible……a good but not great bigman goes to a midwest school like Iowa. He works hard and becomes one of the top BB players in the country. A kentucky or Duke offers him an upfront/guaranteed sale of 500,000 shirts with his likeness. Good for the player but bad for his former team and ultimately bad for the sport. Don’t think it will happen, over exaggeration? It has already been happening to a lessor degree and now it will be legal.

 

[crablegs1]

so it’s July 1st and RBY is already out there selling stuff with his NIL. Any Hawkeyes doing anything yet? It is interesting that the first thing I see is a PSU given that they’re the least likely to need the money given the slush fund and all.

I quit Twitter, so I miss probably most of this action.

 

[Bogiyev]

You really think this will have no effect as to where athletes go, or end up? Example of the real world where financial inducements are permissible……a good but not great bigman goes to a midwest school like Iowa. He works hard and becomes one of the top BB players in the country. A kentucky or Duke offers him an upfront/guaranteed sale of 500,000 shirts with his likeness. Good for the player but bad for his former team and ultimately bad for the sport. Don’t think it will happen, over exaggeration? It has already been happening to a lessor degree and now it will be legal.

I get it... but I think this may level the playing field for what may be already happening at the elite levels. I really do believe the best athletes end up at the top-tier programs currently. However, Alabama can only have one starting quarterback. Maybe this will keep the currently elite from stockpiling talent. I may be less inclined to sit for two or three years behind a future pro at Alabama if I could put a little money in my pocket playing right now for Illinois. Maybe the top tier schools have a contingency plan for getting back ups or less recognizable players their NIL money... I'm sure there's plenty of coaches scheming, so maybe my original response is naive.

 

[just_somebody]

so it’s July 1st and RBY is already out there selling stuff with his NIL. Any Hawkeyes doing anything yet? It is interesting that the first thing I see is a PSU given that they’re the least likely to need the money given the slush fund and all.

I quit Twitter, so I miss probably most of this action.

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[MVPFAN]

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I wouldn't pay a cent to win his used shoes.

 

[BBptg5]

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Reality here is that all a booster has to do is buy a thousand tickets and psu then makes sure every top recruit knows that they will receive the same or more. No way to influence recruits here. Right up front, Iowa’s compliance dept. won’t be allowing it…semi legal or not.

 

[just_somebody]

Reality here is that all a booster has to do is buy a thousand tickets and psu then makes sure every top recruit knows that they will receive the same or more. No way to influence recruits here. Right up front, Iowa’s compliance dept. won’t be allowing it…semi legal or not.

yep.

i am hoping that I die before this hits HS age kids.

 

[el dub]

Reality here is that all a booster has to do is buy a thousand tickets and psu then makes sure every top recruit knows that they will receive the same or more. No way to influence recruits here. Right up front, Iowa’s compliance dept. won’t be allowing it…semi legal or not.

That all sounds about right.

 

[lookleft goright]

Ok, the athletes can be “further” compensated. In theory I have no problem with that. My concern and in reality the problem is who will compensate them, how will they be compensated and when will they be compensated. Leaves unlimited opportunity illegal inducements.

Actually, I think it eliminates illegal endorsements since everything by definition will now be considered legal. I am not very excited about the effect making money will have on kids and what it will do to the purity of the sport. That being said, our RTCs have really helped a lot of guys to prosper and continue in the sport, so maybe it will work out OK.

 

[lookleft goright]

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I like the way he did the math for everyone. Usually it is like 1 ticket 1 dollar. 5 tickets 4 dollars. and ten tickets 7 dollars or something like that. He just kept it at the same rate 10 dollars per ticket. I guess if someone is silly enough to pay 10 dollars for a chance to win his shoes, they may need someone else to do the math for them.

Now watch - he will raise about 40,000 dollars and I will look like a moran - again!!

 

[MVPFAN]

I think the athletes better have their crap together or they might end up in violation of direct NIL policies, other laws that are related to the types of things they might try and of course tax laws.

 

[MVPFAN]

Actually, I think it eliminates illegal endorsements since everything by definition will now be considered legal. I am not very excited about the effect making money will have on kids and what it will do to the purity of the sport. That being said, our RTCs have really helped a lot of guys to prosper and continue in the sport, so maybe it will work out OK.

Those illegal payouts were illegal for a reason as they relate to a level playing field. Just because they won't get on trouble now does not take away the negative effect on competition and integrity of the sports. It just started and the barrage of people pimping in the name of a buck is already annoying. I have soured on pro sports due to them being all about money hungry primadonna's. Gonna be the same crap in college now.

 

[crablegs1]

Reality here is that all a booster has to do is buy a thousand tickets and psu then makes sure every top recruit knows that they will receive the same or more. No way to influence recruits here. Right up front, Iowa’s compliance dept. won’t be allowing it…semi legal or not.

Is it semi legal, or just legal?

Why would Iowa’s compliance department not allow it?

 

[DonHawkeye]

Raffles are pretty tricky and I could see that not being "legal" but do we really think PSU's compliance is gonna say anything or that the NCAA is going to be able to monitor what is all going on. It is the wild west and the only people that are gonna stop these kids would be their school.

 

[BBptg5]

Is it semi legal, or just legal?

Why would Iowa’s compliance department not allow it?

Because, where it is now legal for athletes to be compensated it’s not legal to use potential future compensation as a recruiting inducement……which we ll know will be done by many universities.

 

[crablegs1]

Raffles are pretty tricky and I could see that not being "legal" but do we really think PSU's compliance is gonna say anything or that the NCAA is going to be able to monitor what is all going on. It is the wild west and the only people that are gonna stop these kids would be their school.

If it’s illegal and not just an NCAA rule, which I think RBY’s raffle could be, take it up with the attorney general. Compliance doesn’t enforce the law.

 

[IRONBIRD]

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Who is the loser in this scenario?

Would be any and all who are not on the gravy train. Thinking this was easy to see? For example they had that situation where some wealthy celebrities or something paid to have their kids tests taken by someone else so they could get into a better school. Those people were slammed pretty hard as I remember. What is the difference here???

IF I have the $$$$$, I can just pay for whatever right? Might go so far as, why even have the kid go to school? Kid is making a ton of money, going to sign for even bigger money. Is this kid taking math 101???? Screw it, I am here to play ball and party balls. Kick me out and i'll go play somewhere else.

How many years can this go on for may be another question? Paying the kid, take a red shirt, grey shirt, part time, delayed enrollment. matter of fact, why not go after all those who left college early and entered the NFL draft????

Can not even imagine the events that would take place in basketball. Not sure if they still have a very low graduation rate? I could see donors paying any kid who could play to go to various schools just to win games. These kids would be taken others spots not only on teams, but at universities who have enrollment limits!

Also still not hearing why HS athletes can not get paid too. What about the band? Marching around with a Tuba that says "BLOW ME Bubble Gum" Why even still compete in the NCAA? F them and their rules. Take Soccer for example. Play in the european league. Get some rich guy who came over here, pay the best players you can find. play exhibition matches against other schools and in a pro league. Practice, play home games, use the schools facilities etc...

Hmmm, I think I actually really like this idea. Olympic Weight lifting, Freestyle Wrestling. Paid athletes, going to say IOWA, use the planned new facilities. Stay "in school" for years as you train!!! In other words, just use the school to cover all the overhead costs. So you would not have or need the HWC anymore. Just a big slush fund like F*** state and you can make what they are doing look like child's play!!!

 

[el dub]

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Would be any and all who are not on the gravy train. Thinking this was easy to see? For example they had that situation where some wealthy celebrities or something paid to have their kids tests taken by someone else so they could get into a better school. Those people were slammed pretty hard as I remember. What is the difference here???

IF I have the $$$$$, I can just pay for whatever right? Might go so far as, why even have the kid go to school? Kid is making a ton of money, going to sign for even bigger money. Is this kid taking math 101???? Screw it, I am here to play ball and party balls. Kick me out and i'll go play somewhere else.

How many years can this go on for may be another question? Paying the kid, take a red shirt, grey shirt, part time, delayed enrollment. matter of fact, why not go after all those who left college early and entered the NFL draft????

Can not even imagine the events that would take place in basketball. Not sure if they still have a very low graduation rate? I could see donors paying any kid who could play to go to various schools just to win games. These kids would be taken others spots not only on teams, but at universities who have enrollment limits!

Also still not hearing why HS athletes can not get paid too. What about the band? Marching around with a Tuba that says "BLOW ME Bubble Gum" Why even still compete in the NCAA? F them and their rules. Take Soccer for example. Play in the european league. Get some rich guy who came over here, pay the best players you can find. play exhibition matches against other schools and in a pro league. Practice, play home games, use the schools facilities etc...

Hmmm, I think I actually really like this idea. Olympic Weight lifting, Freestyle Wrestling. Paid athletes, going to say IOWA, use the planned new facilities. Stay "in school" for years as you train!!! In other words, just use the school to cover all the overhead costs. So you would not have or need the HWC anymore. Just a big slush fund like F*** state and you can make what they are doing look like child's play!!!

Nostrodamn….

 

[Hoosier Lion]

Iowa basketball's Jordan Bohannon announces first NIL venture with local Iowa business

Iowa's Jordan Bohannon has long advocated for NIL rights for student-athletes. It begins tomorrow, and he will start it off with a bang.

www.hawkcentral.com

Hmmmmmm………a shoe raffle for an Iowa student

 

[DonHawkeye]

Iowa basketball's Jordan Bohannon announces first NIL venture with local Iowa business

Iowa's Jordan Bohannon has long advocated for NIL rights for student-athletes. It begins tomorrow, and he will start it off with a bang.

www.hawkcentral.com

Hmmmmmm………a shoe raffle for an Iowa student

This isn't some made up take. Raffles are tricky. States get kind of touchy when you start treading on their gambling. https://www.firerescue1.com/fundrai...rs-online-raffles-shut-down-WIdXayfg3bBDReN4/

I am sure the institutions know what is up with these things and pretty sure they need to pass it by them, so go nuts kids.

 

[pointingdogsrule]

Iowa basketball's Jordan Bohannon announces first NIL venture with local Iowa business

Iowa's Jordan Bohannon has long advocated for NIL rights for student-athletes. It begins tomorrow, and he will start it off with a bang.

www.hawkcentral.com

Hmmmmmm………a shoe raffle for an Iowa student

Hoosier Lion.... Because it's in Iowa it will be different from RBY's cause.... and totally acceptable.

 

[wasdt21]

and because you are a pissyst fan you must come to hr to cry

 

[armbartilt]

All talk of eventual reality is theoretical in nature. I’m just not sure the proverbial sky is falling.

But cash IS king in a capitalistic state…

and Other peoples cash is king in a Marxist state

 

[el dub]

and Other peoples cash is king in a Marxist state

Right on… Spoken like an insurance professional or for-profit medical system lobbyist.

 

[armbartilt]

Right on… Spoken like an insurance professional or for-profit medical system lobbyist.

Nope. Wrong again-- You don't know my story and you never will..... because you cannot learn when you think you know everything.

For others capable of learning -- under the capitalist system the average American today lives better than the richest man in the world did when Marx wrote his garbage.

Yeah....Party on dude--- you are the reason it is called DOPE.

 

[BBptg5]

Right on… Spoken like an insurance professional or for-profit medical system lobbyist.

No spoken like living in a democracy and not a marxist state

 

[Trapper85]

No spoken like living in a democracy and not a marxist state

Marx did get quite a number of predictions right. For example, that most of the capitalistic money/power would become concentrated with few (e.g. NLWC), leading to anger (on HR) and rebellion/takeover (Hawk national title). We shall now see if Marx's subsequent predictions hold, or if we just become the new center of capitalistic power.

P.S. can't wait until we get truly representative democracy, and equal-opportunity (and democratically-managed) capitalism.

 

[BBptg5]

Marx did get quite a number of predictions right. For example, that most of the capitalistic money/power would become concentrated with few (e.g. NLWC), leading to anger (on HR) and rebellion/takeover (Hawk national title). We shall now see if Marx's subsequent predictions hold, or if we just become the new center of capitalistic power.

P.S. can't wait until we get truly representative democracy, and equal-opportunity (and democratically-managed) capitalism.

Oh, you mean like socialism

 

[Trapper85]

Oh, you mean like socialism

Meant the words I typed. Not sure of the part to which you were unclear or disagreed. But I'm okay with that.

 

[armbartilt]

Meant the words I typed. Not sure of the part to which you were unclear or disagreed. But I'm okay with that.

democratically managed capitalism = I make my money but you and other decide how to spend my and other peoples money = socialism. You are not making socialists look smart.

Have family in democratic socialists utopias----- Sweden and Norway. They loath their 60-75% income tax and 25% sales tax rates. They now regret their open boarders since crime by immigrants have exploded.

STEM Education = increased income. Everyone has a chance at a STEM education in the US. Not many take it. Too many genders to study... hard to blame the kids though ...since they need a phd to pick a bathroom in Seattle.

 

[el dub]

democratically managed capitalism = I make my money but you and other decide how to spend my and other peoples money = socialism. You are not making socialists look smart.

Have family in democratic socialists utopias----- Sweden and Norway. They loath their 60-75% income tax and 25% sales tax rates. They now regret their open boarders since crime by immigrants have exploded.

STEM Education = increased income. Everyone has a chance at a STEM education in the US. Not many take it. Too many genders to study... hard to blame the kids though ...since they need a phd to pick a bathroom in Seattle.

I’m not sure getting a PHD would help with your bathroom woes.

 

[crablegs1]

democratically managed capitalism = I make my money but you and other decide how to spend my and other peoples money = socialism. You are not making socialists look smart.

Have family in democratic socialists utopias----- Sweden and Norway. They loath their 60-75% income tax and 25% sales tax rates. They now regret their open boarders since crime by immigrants have exploded.

STEM Education = increased income. Everyone has a chance at a STEM education in the US. Not many take it. Too many genders to study... hard to blame the kids though ...since they need a phd to pick a bathroom in Seattle.

1. Socialism is common ownership of the means of production.
2. I’m sure they do loathe a 75% income tax rate considering that is higher than anyone else in the country pays. How did they get so lucky to pay more than the top tax bracket?

 

[Trapper85]

democratically managed capitalism = I make my money but you and other decide how to spend my and other peoples money = socialism. You are not making socialists look smart.

Have family in democratic socialists utopias----- Sweden and Norway. They loath their 60-75% income tax and 25% sales tax rates. They now regret their open boarders since crime by immigrants have exploded.

STEM Education = increased income. Everyone has a chance at a STEM education in the US. Not many take it. Too many genders to study... hard to blame the kids though ...since they need a phd to pick a bathroom in Seattle.

Your definition of a few words I used was NOT EVEN CLOSE to what I meant. I simply meant that pure unfettered capitalism requires some bounds agreed to by the people, more so in some aspects of an economy than others. Pretty sure most economists and citizens agree. By your definition of my words (which seems to focus on taxation), this country has basically never had anything close to 'your capitalism'. I suppose you think we should pay for roads or national defense by passing the hat. Good luck with that.

I do agree with the first sentence in your last paragraph. I bow out of further comments as my repentance for saying anything in this thread. Was mostly trying to add a bit of humor with my original Marx/wrestling analogy.

 

[pablow]

 

[pablow]

 

[burk11]

Can't resist, a fat pitch down the middle.

 

[smalls103]

hell hath frozen over. i agree w/ armbar on something