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Sweden Close To Victory Over Coronavirus; Never Had A Lockdown Or Mask Mandate

Yes, it is. I worked on health insurance plan design for many years before I retired, and that is the one substantial advantage we have over other countries. It's also part of what makes our cost higher per capita, but people here don't have to wait nearly as long as many other countries for care. We have much more capacity in many areas than most countries. I also recall seeing ratings by the WHO having us tops in responsiveness.

I just scheduled an eye exam. First appointment available is November.
 
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I never thought I'd see Trump supporters advocating for a national health care system like Sweden's, but here we are. I think I could actually get behind them on that one.
This has nothing to do with a healthcare system. The thing is, we never let ours in the game
 
Sweden didn't invest in the health of their old, assisted living people. Their policies are now receiving scrutiny they never got before. Health care costs are so high in the US because of multiple reasons, but end of life care is extremely high in the US.

Sweden didn't send many of their old COVID-19 patients to hospitals. They drugged them to make them comfortable.

It's never just about statistics.
You still need to address how Norway, Denmark, and Finland prevented C-19 from infiltrating their assisted living centers.
 
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This has nothing to do with a healthcare system. The thing is, we never let ours in the game

Sure it does, just not directly. Sweden's overall public health is far superior to ours, which is in large part due to the readily available health care. Healthier people are far more likely to survive this disease.
 
Ok...I'll ask again where you got the data to support your claim that the "lockdown deaths" in Copenhagen greatly exceeded those of Stockholm. Post your numbers and not speculation. Otherwise you posted bullshit.

I already told you, you're just not bright enough to comprehend.

I get it that you think killing people so long as the victims can't be identified by a medical test is OK. It still makes you a miserable turd.
 
Well if we were just oppressively "locked down", like you are implying, why was such a trivial enterprise (from a essential business perspective) still allowed to open up shop and service customers? Do you think Big Ice-Cream paid off the politicians and the local fuzz for them to look the other way or even worse...give them preferential treatment?

You are not doing so well here.


If you're too dumb to imagine banning people from going to work, going to school, playing football, or countless other activities isn't "locked down", just do yourself a favor and lock yourself in a dark room with a loaded revolver and a cheap handle of hooch. It's pretty clear things are only going to get worse for you.
 
The route to my country club goes by said ice cream shop, it wasn't my priority but rather that of those in severe "lock down"...I was heading to play some golf.

Of course you don't don't care that millions of children are banned from going to school. Or millions of other restaurant owners around teh country have been forcibly denied employment. I mean, why would a miserable turn like you care about others, right?
 
Of course you don't don't care that millions of children are banned from going to school. Or millions of other restaurant owners around teh country have been forcibly denied employment. I mean, why would a miserable turn like you care about others, right?

People who are able will adapt and prosper, those who can't get left behind...circle of life.
 
If you're too dumb to imagine banning people from going to work, going to school, playing football, or countless other activities isn't "locked down", just do yourself a favor and lock yourself in a dark room with a loaded revolver and a cheap handle of hooch. It's pretty clear things are only going to get worse for you.

Things are going great for me during the pandemic, why would I want to end all of this winning now in a dark dank room w a shotgun? I made a boat load on cash in the market since March, paid off all my bills with it, kids are at school (playing sports), wife is working (at a different larger school), I am having a good start to my fiscal year at my reg 9-5, closing on a Commercial property next week at a near 70% discount from what it just appraised for, and a software startup that I have a bit of skin in and am helping run is at the point of our initial product launch...first contract in the pipe and will pay some bills, second is with a large public institution which should pay all of our current bills and the sky is the limit from there.

Those who are adaptable will find ways to win, those who are not will fall behind. Like I said, circle of life.
 
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Sure it does, just not directly. Sweden's overall public health is far superior to ours, which is in large part due to the readily available health care. Healthier people are far more likely to survive this disease.

Unless the health care system doesn't allow for sick people to be transferred from assisted care facilities to hospitals.
 
I don't need to address anything. I pointed out how Sweden failed.
And I've pointed out how their neighbors succeeded...far beyond anything Sweden experienced. Yet you're still here touting the model of the Swedes over their neighbors. Why is that?
 
I already told you, you're just not bright enough to comprehend.

I get it that you think killing people so long as the victims can't be identified by a medical test is OK. It still makes you a miserable turd.
LOL...I might be a dumb, miserable turd...but I'm apparently orders of magnitude brighter and happier than you.

So I've got that going for me. :D
 
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Of course you don't don't care that millions of children are banned from going to school. Or millions of other restaurant owners around teh country have been forcibly denied employment. I mean, why would a miserable turn like you care about others, right?
Here's your restaurant owner story. One of my oldest friends owns an independent restaurant in Lenoir, NC. When they were allowed to reopen with limited seating - in their deep red area - they posted that masks were required when not sitting at a table. They got blasted online and their curbside and delivery business that had been sustaining them fell off a cliff. Thanks to "turns" like you.
 
Things are going great for me during the pandemic, why would I want to end all of this winning now in a dark dank room w a shotgun? I made a boat load on cash in the market since March, paid off all my bills with it, kids are at school (playing sports), wife is working (at a different larger school), I am having a good start to my fiscal year at my reg 9-5, closing on a Commercial property next week at a near 70% discount from what it just appraised for, and a software startup that I have a bit of skin in and am helping run is at the point of our initial product launch...first contract in the pipe and will pay some bills, second is with a large public institution which should pay all of our current bills and the sky is the limit from there.

Those who are adaptable will find ways to win, those who are not will fall behind. Like I said, circle of life.

There is a reason that commercial property is selling at a 70% discount. Good luck with it. As someone that owns commercial real estate, I would love to sell mine.
 
Couldn't you use that same logic and say nothing should have been shut down, and people should just adapt?

Society was adapting, what you are suggesting is what Trump wanted to do and just pretend nothing was there.
 
There is a reason that commercial property is selling at a 70% discount. Good luck with it. As someone that owns commercial real estate, I would love to sell mine.

Buy when people are fearful and sell when they are like greedy pigs, hence why I dumped out of a portion of my non-retirement equities about 10 days back.

This RE deal was kind of a special circumstance as well.
 
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Things are going great for me during the pandemic, why would I want to end all of this winning now in a dark dank room w a shotgun? I made a boat load on cash in the market since March, paid off all my bills with it, kids are at school (playing sports), wife is working (at a different larger school), I am having a good start to my fiscal year at my reg 9-5, closing on a Commercial property next week at a near 70% discount from what it just appraised for, and a software startup that I have a bit of skin in and am helping run is at the point of our initial product launch...first contract in the pipe and will pay some bills, second is with a large public institution which should pay all of our current bills and the sky is the limit from there.

Those who are adaptable will find ways to win, those who are not will fall behind. Like I said, circle of life.

You might want to keep this quiet or you might become an idol to the republicans. If you add in a couple of bankruptcies where you cheated people out of money, they might want you to run for president.
 
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Society was adapting, what you are suggesting is what Trump wanted to do and just pretend nothing was there.

I don't listen to Trump. I was just trying to figure out if your logic is consistent. Apparently it's not; it's about Trump.

I actually agree with your original premise - that we all have to adapt and move on. That includes not arbitrarily putting 40 million people out of work, penalizing landlords by not allowing evictions, etc., etc., without having a way to compensate people. After 6 months, we are almost to 2% positive rate based on our population. Those who died were mostly over 50, with an average comorbidity of 2.6. We knew early on the demographics, yet governors all over the country insisted on having tight lockdowns, killing millions of businesses. Seems like we all could have adapted a little differently.

While I'd love to blame Trump, his biggest failure has been in his messaging, not his actions. Yes, messaging is a large part of leadership, but the biggest failures in action have been governors, and the CDC. Trump has little control over both.
 
I don't listen to Trump. I was just trying to figure out if your logic is consistent. Apparently it's not; it's about Trump.

I actually agree with your original premise - that we all have to adapt and move on. That includes not arbitrarily putting 40 million people out of work, penalizing landlords by not allowing evictions, etc., etc., without having a way to compensate people. After 6 months, we are almost to 2% positive rate based on our population. Those who died were mostly over 50, with an average comorbidity of 2.6. We knew early on the demographics, yet governors all over the country insisted on having tight lockdowns, killing millions of businesses. Seems like we all could have adapted a little differently.

While I'd love to blame Trump, his biggest failure has been in his messaging, not his actions. Yes, messaging is a large part of leadership, but the biggest failures in action have been governors, and the CDC. Trump has little control over both.

Here is where we really disagree; you have in a very quick and shameful manner disregarded people who are most at risk in a manner that suggests you don't think those people's lives matter, and while I don't fall into that grouping of people I 100% reject that sort of thinking. Hell probably 40%+ of citizens in the US fit that "at risk" profile, our economy won't fully recover without them so tossing them to the side, like you so flippantly do in your posts, isn't a viable option forward to get our economy back up and going in the manner we want/need,
 
Here is where we really disagree; you have in a very quick and shameful manner disregarded people who are most at risk in a manner that suggests you don't think those people's lives matter, and while I don't fall into that grouping of people I 100% reject that sort of thinking. Hell probably 40%+ of citizens in the US fit that "at risk" profile, our economy won't fully recover without them so tossing them to the side, like you so flippantly do in your posts, isn't a viable option forward to get our economy back up and going in the manner we want/need,
Actually I've been consistent in saying the focus should be on those most at risk, and not destroying tens of millions of lives in the process. One doesn't have to be at the expense of the other.
 
Actually I've been consistent in saying the focus should be on those most at risk, and not destroying tens of millions of lives in the process. One doesn't have to be at the expense of the other.

Sadly with a virus that spreads as easily as this one there is very little we can do to protect those in most risk without substantially shuffling the deck on how we operate as a society. For example we have known for the last few months that nursing homes really need to be protected yet a few weeks back C19 ripped through two in our area. The more community spread there is the harder it is to protect those that need protected.

I really hope people have at least 1-2 years of immunity after catching and recovering it as that should buy us the vaccine time we need. If not this thing is going to continue to be a yo-yo in terms of the damage it does to both our human and economic life.
 
I don't listen to Trump. I was just trying to figure out if your logic is consistent. Apparently it's not; it's about Trump.

I actually agree with your original premise - that we all have to adapt and move on. That includes not arbitrarily putting 40 million people out of work, penalizing landlords by not allowing evictions, etc., etc., without having a way to compensate people. After 6 months, we are almost to 2% positive rate based on our population. Those who died were mostly over 50, with an average comorbidity of 2.6. We knew early on the demographics, yet governors all over the country insisted on having tight lockdowns, killing millions of businesses. Seems like we all could have adapted a little differently.

While I'd love to blame Trump, his biggest failure has been in his messaging, not his actions. Yes, messaging is a large part of leadership, but the biggest failures in action have been governors, and the CDC. Trump has little control over both.

Do you think if Trump, his administration with all of the resources that comes with it, and the govs actually all got on the same page we would have been better off from both a human toll and economic perspective? I do and messaging is a big part of that and frankly him tweeting Michigan residence to "liberate Michigan" is doing the exact opposite, he is an absolute trash of a person and leader and because of that our country is suffering.

Don't get me wrong, I have benefited greatly with his tax code but at this point the extra $10k +/- I am saving in taxes per year just isn't worth the damage he is doing to our nation. The C19 deal just proves he is unable to handle a crisis, maybe the next crisis (whatever it might be) is even worse, we can't afford to another disaster like this.
 
You might want to keep this quiet or you might become an idol to the republicans. If you add in a couple of bankruptcies where you cheated people out of money, they might want you to run for president.

Do I get to plow porn stars as well?
 
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While I'd love to blame Trump, his biggest failure has been in his messaging, not his actions. Yes, messaging is a large part of leadership, but the biggest failures in action have been governors, and the CDC. Trump has little control over both.
Trump is directly to blame for the response of GOP governors. There's no way around that. The GOP is in thrall to Trump and you cross him at the peril of bring down the wrath of the GOP base.
 
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Trump is directly to blame for the response of GOP governors. There's no way around that. The GOP is in thrall to Trump and you cross him at the peril of bring down the wrath of the GOP base.

There are very few sensible republicans left, the cult of Trump has hijacked the party and I am surprised by how many have willingly decided to get on board. Trump has to have some dirt on these folks, guessing he has Epsteins tapes or something like that for many of them.
 
There are very few sensible republicans left, the cult of Trump has hijacked the party and I am surprised by how many have willingly decided to get on board. Trump has to have some dirt on these folks, guessing he has Epsteins tapes or something like that for many of them.
They're scared to death to antagonize his "base". They fear losing an election more than losing their self-respect. And now the very worst Q-anon slime are oozing out of the woodwork to capitalize on what Trump has unleashed so the GOP has those a-holes strapped to their chest as well.
 
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What about Dem Governors?
No idea. Ours has done a pretty decent job and has an approval rating around 60%. I don't keep up with anyone else...though last I heard Whitmer's ratings were sky high. Dewine (R) bucked the Trump train trend and his approval ratings have surged.
 
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