Tariffs against Canada Mexico and China.

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Here's the important stuff . . . .

Should I buy the Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max and the Canon R6 Mark II now to avoid the tariffs?

Alternatively, should I be preparing for a global depression fueled by Tariff Wars on top of real wars? In which case I might be able to pick up that phone and the newer camera for a pittance.

Those are not entirely tongue-in-cheek questions. Is no one worried about the possible global downturn if the tariffs go too far? And how much is too far?

 

[funksouljon]

No. Was that YOUR take on my observation ?

Well yes. I bolded what you said. Your comment was "Trump ... is not responsible for corruption in Mexico " Are you now saying that was NOT your post? Because WWJD did not say Trump is responsible for Mexico's corruption.

Maybe we start over, what were you trying to say based on WWJD's post?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Per this, people know that tariffs will raise prices . . . and a majority still want them. Why?

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www.cnn.com

 

[funksouljon]

Per this, people know that tariffs will raise prices . . . and a majority still want them. Why?

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www.cnn.com

First 41% are morons. The other 59% that do understand the prices will increase, I suspect that they don't think it will increase <to the customer>. I bet they think the increase in prices to the middlemen and be absorbed there.

It makes no sense to be crying about the price of eggs, and then say "yes, a tariff on eggs is good, AND I understand the tariff will increase the final customer price."

Unless, the price of the eggs was never actually the issue.

 

[goldmom]

Well yes. I bolded what you said. Your comment was "Trump ... is not responsible for corruption in Mexico " Are you now saying that was NOT your post? Because WWJD did not say Trump is responsible for Mexico's corruption.

Maybe we start over, what were you trying to say based on WWJD's post?

Are you trying to start shit? Seriously?
Are you WWJD’s enforcer or something?
Dude…Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[funksouljon]

Are you trying to start shit? Seriously?
Are you WWJD’s enforcer or something?
Dude…Happy Thanksgiving.

No, just asking for clarification on what you meant. No need to get all defensive. No one is "starting shit", I've had to ask 3 times now, what exactly you were trying to say.

 

[goldmom]

No, just asking for clarification on what you meant. No need to get all defensive. No one is "starting shit", I've had to ask 3 times now, what exactly you were trying to say.

You are consistent. Consistently annoying. I’m not defensive, I’m annoyed - but that’s on me for letting an annoying person annoy me.

 

[funksouljon]

You are consistent. Consistently annoying. I’m not defensive, I’m annoyed - but that’s on me for letting an annoying person annoy me.

So are you able to clarify what you were trying to say? It's amusing you think someone genuinely asking you for clarification is annoying. And I am consistent, I haven't insulted you at all, I've just asked what you were trying to say.

 

[bcherod]

Has anyone mentioned smuggling yet? How high does the tariff have to get before the risk is worth it? Prohibition showed us that people will find ways to bypass restrictions if enough profit is to be made.

Or how about funneling products "legally" through other countries?

It's well known that some Chinese products are sold through Indonesian and other nations' middlemen - often with label changes to obscure the country of origin. Sure, the middleman cost makes the products a little more expensive than the pre-tariff price, but none of that is revenue for the US.

Brazil had a 300% import tax. Of course there were people that could get you what you wanted, but you could get a deal if you bought it on the black market.

I’m talking about cars, vinyl records, stereos, all appliances, etc. yes, it forced poor people to buy the Brazilian appliances. The problem was that they broke after a few months. Blender, juicer, etc.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Brazil had a 300% import tax. Of course there were people that could get you what you wanted, but you could get a deal if you bought it on the black market.

I’m talking about cars, vinyl records, stereos, all appliances, etc. yes, it forced poor people to buy the Brazilian appliances. The problem was that they broke after a few months. Blender, juicer, etc.

When was that?

 

[bcherod]

‘70’s

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

‘70’s

Without looking it up, I'm guessing that's when Brazil was being run by US-supported military guys.

 

[bcherod]

Without looking it up, I'm guessing that's when Brazil was being run by US-supported military guys.

Yes. And it was a very corrupt government.

 

[Gus is dead]

From your source:

In 2023, 97.5% of all net worth —totaling $139.4 trillion — was owned by the 50% of Americans with above-average net worth. The remaining 167 million Americans owned about 2.6% — or $3.6 trillion.​

So maybe Bio got the top 1% part wrong, but read those numbers again. Do you think that's OK?

Other numbers that get bandied about and might not be 100% correct include that the richest 10 people in the US own more than the poorest 50%.

With disparities like these, quibbling about a % here or there totally misses the point.

30% vs 95% isn't “a % here or there”

To recap he said the top 1% have 95% of the wealth. Its actually 30%. Smh.

Massive difference. Massive.

To your other point...

Yes I'm ok with it. The top 50% also obviously put in the work. I fully subscribe to the Aristotelian idea of equality based on merit. Equality of opportunity not outcomes in other words. In my opinion a just society is one that rewards those that have earned it. You can not have equal wealth distribution in a society that has varying effort and varying quality of ones character.

To simplify it for you once again. Society rewards those that work hard and play by the rules.

Let me ask you, are you ok with involuntarily giving your money or goods to someone that is a cheat or puts in half the effort? Because that, in fact, is what a true fully distributed wealth would require. Confiscation involuntarily.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Yes I'm ok with it. The top 50% also obviously put in the work. I fully subscribe to the Aristotelian idea of equality based on merit. Equality of opportunity not outcomes in other words. In my opinion a just society is one that rewards those that have earned it. You can not have equal wealth distribution in a society that has varying effort and varying quality of ones character.

To simplify it for you once again. Society rewards those that work hard and play by the rules.

So you should favor a massive inheritance tax then right? What did trust fund babies like Donald Trump do to earn their advantages early in life? Because maybe you aren’t aware, but a huge portion of those top 1% folks were born into their position.

 

[iowahaha1]

How does a MASTER NEGOTIATOR declare bankruptcy on EVERY business he started. Can't wait for the excuses.

Well, He never said he was a MASTER BUISINESS MAN. But must be a pretty good negotiator if he can still secure loans after the bankrupcies.

 

[uihawk82]

So with a major tariff announcement on MX and Canada one would think this was major news right? Foxnews has nothing on their main page. The headline is about immigrants killing Americans. Fox business doesn’t even have it as the headline. The headline is about Wal Mart rolling back woke policies.

The GOP propaganda machine is hard at work. The Dems need to stop f*cking around on topics like trans, Bibi’s arrest warrant, etc. They need to stop taking the bait every time Musk says anything. They need to stop over analyzing every crazy appointment. This dilutes the message and most average people won’t care who runs the education department.

If you want to bury Trumpism you need to hammer home, every day all day, what happens to prices and the economy over the next few years. Trump needs to own the consequences here, but the Dems lose their shit over every crazy thing Don does and you will not beat him with a “throw shit at the wall to see what sticks” strategy.

Stop.diluting.the.message. It is all about the economy - focus.

You are correct because way more americans are getting whatever news and ideas they get from social media. Not 'regular' real investigative reporting.

Musk and Trump have control of big social media outlets. They "yell" in small sized messages.

Looking at things using facts would absolutely show that as we know Trump and his cohorts still are voracious liars. But it doesnt matter anymore because voters are so stupid as the voters dont check for facts. For instance, american citizens do the majority of fentanyl smuggling across the souther border. But did you ever see the Dems make simple clear cut messages about this to counter Trump and MAGA lies. Hey, I dont want criminals illegally coming into the country either but we need people to pick crops, hang drywall, and roof houses which a lot of illegals do work at.

It is the brainwashing of Orwell's future, it is 1984, yet the Dems ran away from the inflation issue when they should have hammered thru social media what caused the inflation spikes of 2021 and stated that whoever was president and in control could no initially contain it. if Trump would have won in 2020 he would have been facing inflation.

Actually, the Fed and Biden did a good job of not overreacting to inflation pressures by jacking up interest rates so high as to cause a recession. The economy was great and almost everyone who wanted to work had a job.

US voters are economically illiterate. We see that also by the fact that 50-60% of them cant save any money.