Texas woman asks judge to let her terminate pregnancy after lethal fetal diagnosis
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No, it's definitely talking about inducing an abortion/miscarriage, Cletus.
And Numbers specifically doesn't seem to give two shits about "the baby being without sin" and "have any right to life" here.
LOL.
Cletus doesn't understand the difference here.
If the man wants the fetus aborted, it's Yippy-Skippy. Quite literally what Numbers:5 is describing here.
Today's GOP cannot allow women to have that control over their own bodies, though.
lol ok.
I don’t have a horse in any of the politics of it. But the King James Version talks about the rotting away of the THIGH! Surely you accept that translation of the Bible?
Nothing about a fetus lol. Not sure where u pulled that understanding from but it’s not talking about a miscarriage or an abortion.
But you go ahead and continue the debate. We will agree to disagree and I’ll wish you a pleasant rest of your day .
Pro-lifers support theocracy, and that is disgusting.
Gilead is coming.
Gilead is coming.
See how easy that is, to understand that God doesn't really value the life of the unborn fetus?
That's God's inerrant Word there...
Kate Cox, a Dallas-area woman who petitioned a judge to get an abortion in Texas, has left the state for abortion care after a week of legal whiplash.
The Texas Supreme Court late Friday night ruled to block a lower-court ruling that would have allowed Cox to get an abortion. That court has not yet issued a final decision on the matter.
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Cox, a 31-year-old mother of two, had sought an abortion after learning that her fetus had a fatal genetic condition and that carrying the pregnancy to term could jeopardize her future fertility. The case is the first instance of an adult pregnant woman asking a court for permission to terminate her pregnancyy under an abortion ban since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973.
Cox’s lawsuit has been widely viewed as a test case for other abortion litigation across the country. Advocacy groups have tried a variety of different approaches to overturn or temporarily block the bans, in full or in part, since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June 2022. Most recently, several cases have centered around the women directly affected by the laws, instead of abortion clinics or doctors.
“This past week of legal limbo has been hellish for Kate,” said Nancy Northup, president and CEO at the Center for Reproductive Rights, the organization that represents Cox in the case. “Her health is on the line. She’s been in and out of emergency rooms and she couldn’t wait any longer.”
Travis County District Judge Maya Guerra Gamble, an elected Democrat, on Thursday granted a temporary restraining order to allow Cox to have an abortion under the narrow exceptions to the state’s ban, which allows abortions in medical emergencies. But Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) asked the Supreme Court of Texas to intervene to block Cox from obtaining an abortion.
Paxton in a letter on Thursday threatened to take legal action if Cox had the procedure in the state, warning doctors and hospitals that anyone involved in performing an abortion for Cox would face “civil and criminal liability... including first-degree felony prosecutions.” He contended that Cox’s doctor did not meet “all of the elements necessary to fall within an exception to Texas’ abortion laws” and that the judge was “not medically qualified to make this determination.”
The case drew national attention after Cox described in an op-ed in the Dallas Morning News how she came to the decision to seek an abortion after learning that her fetus had Trisomy 18. Almost all such pregnancies end in miscarriage or stillbirth, according to the Cleveland Clinic. Babies who do survive often die prematurely.
“I just never thought I’d be in the situation I’m in right now. Twenty weeks pregnant with a baby that won’t survive and could jeopardize my health and a future pregnancy,” Cox wrote.
She also explained why she was seeking legal permission in Texas for the procedure.
“I am a Texan. Why should I or any other woman have to drive or fly hundreds of miles to do what we feel is best for ourselves and our families, to determine our own futures?” Cox said.
Cox has been to the emergency room at least three times during the course of her pregnancy, according to the complaint, experiencing “severe cramping, diarrhea, and leaking unidentifiable fluid.” Cox has had two prior cesarean sections, and will likely need a third if she has to carry this pregnancy to term, according to the complaint — a procedure which doctors say could affect her ability to have more children in the future.
States where abortion is legal, banned or under threat
Texas abortion laws are among the most restrictive in the country, outlawing all abortions except when the mother’s life is at risk. Since the ban took effect, many women with life-threatening pregnancy conditions have had to seek care out of state, with doctors too fearful to treat them.
In Texas, a doctor who performs an abortion could be sentenced to a life in prison.
Doctors and hospitals across the country watched closely as Cox’s legal battle unfolded. In his letter on Thursday, Paxton issued the most clear and credible threat to date to hospitals and doctors in the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling. While medical professionals have feared what might happen if they provide abortions later deemed illegal, no medical professional has yet been prosecuted under the new abortion bans.
“This is the most direct confrontation we’ve seen,” Mary Ziegler, a law professor at the University of California at Davis who specializes in the politics of reproduction, said before the Texas Supreme Court’s latest ruling. “There’s been some interest in prosecuting people who are in the broader abortion support network, but not doctors.”
That’s likely probably because doctors and hospitals are fairly risk-averse, she added. Although many people have been helping to distribute abortion pills illegally since Roe was overturned, doctors do not appear to be performing abortions in states with bans.
Four women describe on the stand how they have been harmed by the Texas abortion law
Days after Cox filed her lawsuit, a second pregnant woman came forward with a lawsuit challenging the abortion ban in Kentucky. The class-action lawsuit, filed on Friday, could have broader implications for abortion access across the state. Instead of appealing just for her own abortion, the unidentified pregnant woman is seeking to strike down the ban altogether,
The Texas Attorney General’s office was eager to stop Cox’s case from becoming a blueprint for future litigation across the country, Ziegler said.
Cox’s suit is not related to a separate, broader case in the state, Zurawski v. State of Texas, in which five women who had been pregnant sued the state over its near-total abortion ban. The women claim that state law denied them proper obstetrics health care and put placed their lives in danger.
Four of the women traveled out of state to have abortions. The fifth, whose fetus did not have a chance of surviving, was allowed to deliver only after she became septic, leaving her with permanent physical damage. The case now involves 20 women, and the Texas Supreme Court held a hearing on the matter last month.
The Texas Supreme Court late Friday night ruled to block a lower-court ruling that would have allowed Cox to get an abortion. That court has not yet issued a final decision on the matter.
Keeping up with politics is easy with The 5-Minute Fix Newsletter, in your inbox weekdays.
Cox, a 31-year-old mother of two, had sought an abortion after learning that her fetus had a fatal genetic condition and that carrying the pregnancy to term could jeopardize her future fertility. The case is the first instance of an adult pregnant woman asking a court for permission to terminate her pregnancyy under an abortion ban since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973.
Cox’s lawsuit has been widely viewed as a test case for other abortion litigation across the country. Advocacy groups have tried a variety of different approaches to overturn or temporarily block the bans, in full or in part, since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June 2022. Most recently, several cases have centered around the women directly affected by the laws, instead of abortion clinics or doctors.
“This past week of legal limbo has been hellish for Kate,” said Nancy Northup, president and CEO at the Center for Reproductive Rights, the organization that represents Cox in the case. “Her health is on the line. She’s been in and out of emergency rooms and she couldn’t wait any longer.”
Travis County District Judge Maya Guerra Gamble, an elected Democrat, on Thursday granted a temporary restraining order to allow Cox to have an abortion under the narrow exceptions to the state’s ban, which allows abortions in medical emergencies. But Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) asked the Supreme Court of Texas to intervene to block Cox from obtaining an abortion.
Paxton in a letter on Thursday threatened to take legal action if Cox had the procedure in the state, warning doctors and hospitals that anyone involved in performing an abortion for Cox would face “civil and criminal liability... including first-degree felony prosecutions.” He contended that Cox’s doctor did not meet “all of the elements necessary to fall within an exception to Texas’ abortion laws” and that the judge was “not medically qualified to make this determination.”
The case drew national attention after Cox described in an op-ed in the Dallas Morning News how she came to the decision to seek an abortion after learning that her fetus had Trisomy 18. Almost all such pregnancies end in miscarriage or stillbirth, according to the Cleveland Clinic. Babies who do survive often die prematurely.
“I just never thought I’d be in the situation I’m in right now. Twenty weeks pregnant with a baby that won’t survive and could jeopardize my health and a future pregnancy,” Cox wrote.
She also explained why she was seeking legal permission in Texas for the procedure.
“I am a Texan. Why should I or any other woman have to drive or fly hundreds of miles to do what we feel is best for ourselves and our families, to determine our own futures?” Cox said.
Cox has been to the emergency room at least three times during the course of her pregnancy, according to the complaint, experiencing “severe cramping, diarrhea, and leaking unidentifiable fluid.” Cox has had two prior cesarean sections, and will likely need a third if she has to carry this pregnancy to term, according to the complaint — a procedure which doctors say could affect her ability to have more children in the future.
States where abortion is legal, banned or under threat
Texas abortion laws are among the most restrictive in the country, outlawing all abortions except when the mother’s life is at risk. Since the ban took effect, many women with life-threatening pregnancy conditions have had to seek care out of state, with doctors too fearful to treat them.
In Texas, a doctor who performs an abortion could be sentenced to a life in prison.
Doctors and hospitals across the country watched closely as Cox’s legal battle unfolded. In his letter on Thursday, Paxton issued the most clear and credible threat to date to hospitals and doctors in the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling. While medical professionals have feared what might happen if they provide abortions later deemed illegal, no medical professional has yet been prosecuted under the new abortion bans.
“This is the most direct confrontation we’ve seen,” Mary Ziegler, a law professor at the University of California at Davis who specializes in the politics of reproduction, said before the Texas Supreme Court’s latest ruling. “There’s been some interest in prosecuting people who are in the broader abortion support network, but not doctors.”
That’s likely probably because doctors and hospitals are fairly risk-averse, she added. Although many people have been helping to distribute abortion pills illegally since Roe was overturned, doctors do not appear to be performing abortions in states with bans.
Four women describe on the stand how they have been harmed by the Texas abortion law
Days after Cox filed her lawsuit, a second pregnant woman came forward with a lawsuit challenging the abortion ban in Kentucky. The class-action lawsuit, filed on Friday, could have broader implications for abortion access across the state. Instead of appealing just for her own abortion, the unidentified pregnant woman is seeking to strike down the ban altogether,
The Texas Attorney General’s office was eager to stop Cox’s case from becoming a blueprint for future litigation across the country, Ziegler said.
Cox’s suit is not related to a separate, broader case in the state, Zurawski v. State of Texas, in which five women who had been pregnant sued the state over its near-total abortion ban. The women claim that state law denied them proper obstetrics health care and put placed their lives in danger.
Four of the women traveled out of state to have abortions. The fifth, whose fetus did not have a chance of surviving, was allowed to deliver only after she became septic, leaving her with permanent physical damage. The case now involves 20 women, and the Texas Supreme Court held a hearing on the matter last month.
Fvcking pathetic. Fvck Paxton and the Texas Senate that caved to Donald.
I suppose Abbott will now call for a special session of the Texas Legislature to address people leaving the state for abortions.
She’d need a C-section to “deliver” this dead fetus. Unfvckingbelieavable.
@NoWokeBloke apparently is a fan of big government?
Someone who simply wants "0% risk" of leaving her existing children motherless.
And a state and AG who want to force that risk on her.
I wouldn't be surprised if sent Texas Rangers after her, or ordered her to be arrested upon her return to Texas.I suppose Abbott will now call for a special session of the Texas Legislature to address people leaving the state for abortions.
That's just about where we are.
FOUR ER trips.
And STILL the Texas AG wants to force her to continue a dead-end pregnancy.
WUWT, GOP? You told us you would allow for abortions in these types of cases?
And STILL the Texas AG wants to force her to continue a dead-end pregnancy.
WUWT, GOP? You told us you would allow for abortions in these types of cases?
Republicans love themselves some big government in the form of the state
Don’t forget their fiscally conservative principles. What’s the difference in cost between regular abortive and C-sectional procedures, including associated hospitalized convalescence? JFC, the latter must be at least an order of magnitude greater.
The GOP should keep doubling down on this idiocy to appease the lunatic fringe of the party. I'm sure it won't cost them at the ballot box....
I still can’t wrap my brain around this. I just saw that the Supreme Court said no abortion. If I said what I’d like to see happen to Texas republicans I’d probably be getting a visit from the FBI
And every republican in Texas, and nationwide in any competitive race next year is going to have to once again figure out how to square this circle, when they’ve been beaten badly in many more elections than not since Dobbs.
they keep trying to present a pro-life stance but their actions say otherwise.
Not a good look Texas. Not everything needs to be black and white. Need to have exceptions for situations like this. Crazy
Texas Republicans are living in a world they don’t understand anymore. The party is still kowtowing to a base made up of small town voters who tend to vote the way their preacher tells them to on Sunday. The increasingly urban population is very different than small town Texas.
With the influx of newcomers from states considered “blue” the Lone Star State will be purple very soon. And the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves if they lose the state.
With the influx of newcomers from states considered “blue” the Lone Star State will be purple very soon. And the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves if they lose the state.
Yup, and if they lose Texas, it will become incredibly difficult to win presidential elections.
And this is why judges should not be into politics and running for elections. Bumfook idiots in Tejas
It isn't even pro "life". Baby is going to be dead and you are putting mother's life at risk of death.
I suppose Abbott will now call for a special session of the Texas Legislature to address people leaving the state for abortions.
Yes, movement is already underway.
https://www.guttmacher.org/2023/12/high-toll-us-abortion-bans-nearly-one-five-patients-now-traveling-out-state-abortion-care#:~:text=Anti-abortion activists are seeking,ban travel for abortion care.
Discussed in the " Policy Action to Shore Up Access" section.
edit - I'd go so far as to say BANK on it. Now that the TX Supreme Ct ruled she cannot get an abortion, and she has since left to get medical care,.....
1) the Supreme Court has been defied, the zealots have publicly been circumvented. They will in a punitive way make abortion travel illegal, likely retroactively.
2) They will go after her
3) If she remains a resident of Texas, she is going to he harassed and hassled by the local mouth breathers for getting an abortion.
She is going to be better off moving out of state. And she is able afford the travel, there are a LOT of women and families that can't. Illegal clinics will be popping up, going to be regressing right into the 60s.
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Maybe, can only redraw the districts so much to keep local elections.
And, if it does flip, it may not be as near term as it should be.
Column: In two decades, much of the West has turned blue. Why hasn't Texas?
Despite factors that have turned some Western states Democratic — shifting suburbs, a growing Latino population, a hard-right turn by Republicans — Texas remains as red as ever.
www.latimes.com
I consider myself to be fairly “Pro Life”
What Texas is doing and has done to this woman, is heartless and disgusting.
So done with the GOP.
What Texas is doing and has done to this woman, is heartless and disgusting.
So done with the GOP.
That's their "game"
Draw things out until the fetus is "viable" (even if only for an hour) outside the womb, so you can force her to deliver.
Baby may deliver alive, but will not live more than a few minutes or hours.
Perhaps this is the misled "God Squad" take - God only gets an angel in the fight against Satan for babies "born alive". Gotta have them angel warriors, for an "omnipotent God" that seems otherwise powerless to stop Satan, yo....
Sounds like republican DEATH SQUADS are a live and well. Let's make medical decisions for women but let the pedophile catholics run wild. Will add 7 SC justices are catholic.
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Guy on YouTube made the point yesterday - remember the outcry about “death panels” when the ACA was going thru under Obama?
This is that fear-mongering in practice.
And there are some who are very far left of others. Catholics are all over the map politically.
In general sure, tho devout Catholics tend to be very conservative and take a hard line on abortion.
If you think about it she is under religous persecution. She is being persecuted by relgous leaders who use politician to do their dirty work. If God was so great this wouldn t happen. Fake idol that God is. Fake Fraud. He only cares about himself F the little people got it.
It isn't just Texas, but you know that. It's Iowa. It's Missouri and Oklahoma. It's Ohio where people went to the polls and voted to enshrine bodily autonomy for women, and the GOP legislature and governor are now attempting to circumvent their votes.
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