Thanks FBI!!!!
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IF you really think Kentucky is clean either your a huge homer a complete idoit
Raveling went on to run the Nike grassroots. I'm not saying anything happened with Iowa, because there is zero evidence of it and it was a different world then when it came to endorsements, but there was a pretty interesting comment about him from Jake Sullivan who runs an AAU program now in an interview yesterday. Basically ruined his relationship with him because he went to an Adidas school (ISU) back when he was playing for a Nike AAU program. Crazy to think about it, that was probably close to 20 years ago.
I get what your saying, but the fact that, our assistant has these ties doesn't make him dirty. There are plenty of folks in these businesses and AAU programs who run clean programs. I mean if our guy was on the take, what did he reel in for the profit? Other then Cook, whose recruitment seemed more based on his and his mothers feeling comfortable with Fran. Most of Iowa's other major recruiting sucesses lately have been due to Fran and his staff hard work in reconnecting to Iowa high school and top AAU programs, in Iowa and the midwest, and the fact that he sired two of the recruits personally. Given the number of high profile misses that Fran has had in recruiting, its more likely that some of this crap might be to blame for our inability to land said top recruits.
It will be interesting to see what shakes out. There is no doubt in my mind that the FBI was/is trying to get assistant coaches to turn on head coaches.
While the FBI is talking as though this is the tip of the iceberg, if they had found someone with Nike or Under Armor ties, they would have been indicted just like the Adidas employee. If they had more assistant coaches on tape, they would have been indicted yesterday. I think that the FBI still needs someone to turn and agree to testify in exchange for leniency to break into the Nike/Under Armor recruiting networks.
It was interesting to hear briefly the comments of Seth Greenberg on the drive into work this morning. He was angrier about the assistant coaches steering players to financial advisors than he was about the recruiting. On recruiting, he felt that it had been happening forever and placed blame on family members of recruits for having their hands out. Golic seemed to agree with him.
But I think that he has it backwards. The ability to buy recruits is much more dangerous to the integrity of the game and having an actual fair playing field than steering players to a financial advisor after they are already on campus.
While the FBI is talking as though this is the tip of the iceberg, if they had found someone with Nike or Under Armor ties, they would have been indicted just like the Adidas employee. If they had more assistant coaches on tape, they would have been indicted yesterday. I think that the FBI still needs someone to turn and agree to testify in exchange for leniency to break into the Nike/Under Armor recruiting networks.
It was interesting to hear briefly the comments of Seth Greenberg on the drive into work this morning. He was angrier about the assistant coaches steering players to financial advisors than he was about the recruiting. On recruiting, he felt that it had been happening forever and placed blame on family members of recruits for having their hands out. Golic seemed to agree with him.
But I think that he has it backwards. The ability to buy recruits is much more dangerous to the integrity of the game and having an actual fair playing field than steering players to a financial advisor after they are already on campus.
They will turn for sure. Their careers in basketball are over so now they are looking at hard time. Justice dept wields a big stick.
I read the first three pages of Illini Loyalty, can't keep up with the thread as it grows faster than I can read. But to me, it seems the main thing is as long as Brad Underwood has deniability everything will turn out ok....for them.
Didn't someone post on here the rule that head coaches don't get out of crud like that anymore?
You post an extreme, but I would not be surprised if in the next 20 years sports becomes completely separated from the universities, as it probably should be. If athletes are good enough at their sport (basketball, football, baseball), they should be able to sign an professional contract at whatever age. Soccer is this way now, teenagers can enter into academies of professional soccer teams at young ages. They get professional coaching, get to go to school and all the money is above board and we do away with the sham of keeping 1 and done players eligible at college taking nonsense courses.
I love following the Hawkeyes as much as anyone, but the whole farce of recruiting in basketball and football makes me sick. Coaches and administrators are made rich. Athletes get free tuition, but the best players and their families want their piece of the pie and will openly seek illegal payments to go to a school that they have no intention of graduating from. Because the top players can't legally get money, the illegal sources (via the shoe companies and boosters) will provide the funds. And the whole time, we are all supposed to pretend that everyone is going to school and hear the sob stories from players that they don't have any money (when many are getting it from other sources).
Enough of rant. One aspect of this will be whether the IRS gets involved. I'm sure all these players and their families were reporting the cash as income. Right.
Well. He may as well start getting ready to play over seas or hit the NBA. He was made himself ineligible now.
I always wondered about Tyler Ulis and Kentucky. Didn't his dad work for Nike or get hired by nike or something?
makes me wonder what really was going on when we lost Tyler Ulis at the last minute to Kentucky and their slick coach (who has a history of cheating)
were payments being made under the table to the Ulis family? Probably not but can't help but wonder....
Reminds me of Baseketball.
You think Shaq got rich playing in Orlando? When he went to LA, that's when he made his money. You know how much he makes now?
As much as he made in college?
You think Shaq got rich playing in Orlando? When he went to LA, that's when he made his money. You know how much he makes now?
As much as he made in college?
Everyone be careful how judgmental you are, this is far from over. The FBI has just subpoenaed Nike and already had Adidas. This is expected to spill over to as many as 40 programs.
Yea I guess, but as I said, if Iowa was involved in this mess, we need to hire some different assistants, because their not very good at cheating! (just kidding), well kind of!
I'd be more concerned if Iowa had recently started pulling in multiple 5 star guys not from the Midwest.
How about banning adidas from all college sponsorships?
I hope they lay the hammer down on this, if it doesn't hurt they won't learn.
Money talks & they can hire the best lawyers. Will be interesting thou.
Is this a revisionist history or am I remembering this incorrectly? I was thinking Kentucky was in on him for quite some time but I could be wrong
This is only partially the fault of the shoe companies. The real fault lies with all the Athletic Directors who allowed their schools to be bought in the first place and then the School Presidents for knowing this was not healthy for their schools athletic dept. Then the coaches and asst. coaches who decided it was an opportunity to buy players to ensure winning and job security. The higher the pay the more willing the coaches are to being crooked. They all sold their souls to the shoe companies.
As far as Iowa goes it is reported that Lute Olson called Sonny Vaccaro in the early 80's asking how he could get some of the Nike money and ultimately got it. Then we had Ravelling, who ended up employed with Nike and was reportedly one of Vaccaro's bag men.
He got Nike money when he coached at Iowa. Tom Davis was next and his recruiting was done by Bruce Pearl, a real standard of integrity. Then along came Steve Alford and when he had trouble recruiting he brought in Craig Neal who is rumored to have paid for Tyler Smith. And waaay back, don't you wonder how Connie Hawkins came to Iowa for a year ?
Again I say, let's be patient and see how this all plays out before we get too giddy at another schools demise.
I'd rather KNOW Iowa is clean today than assume anything. The only one's who know that answer is Fran and each individual assistant and I doubt they would admit to any wrong doing if you asked them.
Even though Dan53 says trust me, we are clean, I think I'll wait and see for myself. Unless Dan is actually Fran of course .
As far as Iowa goes it is reported that Lute Olson called Sonny Vaccaro in the early 80's asking how he could get some of the Nike money and ultimately got it. Then we had Ravelling, who ended up employed with Nike and was reportedly one of Vaccaro's bag men.
He got Nike money when he coached at Iowa. Tom Davis was next and his recruiting was done by Bruce Pearl, a real standard of integrity. Then along came Steve Alford and when he had trouble recruiting he brought in Craig Neal who is rumored to have paid for Tyler Smith. And waaay back, don't you wonder how Connie Hawkins came to Iowa for a year ?
Again I say, let's be patient and see how this all plays out before we get too giddy at another schools demise.
I'd rather KNOW Iowa is clean today than assume anything. The only one's who know that answer is Fran and each individual assistant and I doubt they would admit to any wrong doing if you asked them.
Even though Dan53 says trust me, we are clean, I think I'll wait and see for myself. Unless Dan is actually Fran of course .
No, Calipari even bragged it only took him something like 3 weeks to land Ulis.
I'm not. But fear not. Fran is as clean as they get. He doesn't even lie to prospects. I do understand though...you should wait and see for yourself.
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