Probably not necessary for UK to cheat to get Ulis. Its not like they were in a battle with Duke for him.
A pgs best friend is having a ton of talent around him.
Thanks FBI!!!!
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Probably not necessary for UK to cheat to get Ulis. Its not like they were in a battle with Duke for him.
A pgs best friend is having a ton of talent around him.
It will certainly be interesting to see what the ncaa does depending on what is actually revealed.
Once the proof is out there for everyone to see there may be no choice but to drop the hammer.
They have always hid behind the idea that they couldn't prove anything, of course they weren't trying.
They need as good of a product as possible to max out their tv money.
However the fbi is likely to be able to prove and document a whole lot of both cheating and criminal activity.
No, last minute. But they dont need to cheat to get a guy like him.
Now Anthony Davis, thats the type that could demand money if he wanted.
That sure seems to be the case but we really dont know what goes on in private, anywhere.
That being said, we haven't had the type of recruits that would lead anyone to even consider investigating.
I disagree. We recently had a pg that we STOPPED recruiting that I believe all it takes is a look at the programs that kept after him to know there was stuff going on.
I believe they had never talked to Ulis until a week or so before he went there for a visit just before signing day. He may very well have gone to MSU anyway, so better for Iowa I guess that he left the BIG.
Again I get your concerns, but WHO has Iowa brought in on scholly the last 15 to 20 years that you think we had to pay to get? And who has Iowa sent to the NBA who signed with an agent where they could recoup their money? Other then Ricky Davis, until Dev Marble, I can't think of one player that got to the league for even a cup of coffee, so how would these agents have received their return on investment? I mean, NO high profile recruits, NO NBA draft picks for the agents to get their money back from representing, doesn't sound like much of a win-win for any of these nefarious parties. Or am I missing something?
I believe Fran is 100% clean. That said should Iowa be involved in of these issues I'm all for cleaning house and I won't have issues with whatever would come against the University.
I long for the day when the court is level for all teams and this may be a ultimately be very good for the Hawkeye program.
I long for the day when the court is level for all teams and this may be a ultimately be very good for the Hawkeye program.
Didn't Fran back out on a recruit pretty far into the process and mentioned "handlers" got involved so he moved on? If so where did that kid end up going? Would assume that school probably paid for him?
SMU and Kentucky are two schools that seem to have high percentage to be on this list- actually every team that gets high end recruits will probably be on this list. UNC, Duke, Kansas, KSU, etc. There have been so many times where a recruit goes to a school and I am like WTF???? Makes sense now.
I can't think of any big name recruits that Fran would have even had to have paid, so I think we are in the clear (sure hope so). What 4 stars or higher have we even gotten? Woody-pretty certain we are clear there, MG- also pretty certain, Tyler Cook-doubt it
I would even think ISU would be clean as well, do they even recruit HS kids? Unless these transfers are cashing in, if so......yikes
SMU and Kentucky are two schools that seem to have high percentage to be on this list- actually every team that gets high end recruits will probably be on this list. UNC, Duke, Kansas, KSU, etc. There have been so many times where a recruit goes to a school and I am like WTF???? Makes sense now.
I can't think of any big name recruits that Fran would have even had to have paid, so I think we are in the clear (sure hope so). What 4 stars or higher have we even gotten? Woody-pretty certain we are clear there, MG- also pretty certain, Tyler Cook-doubt it
I would even think ISU would be clean as well, do they even recruit HS kids? Unless these transfers are cashing in, if so......yikes
kceast, yes you are missing something. Not all laws broken involve agents or business managers. Some (if not most) include school representatives paying players to come to a particular school.
The question you ask about who at Iowa in the past 15 to 20 years could be questionable.
You must not have read my post about Craig Neal and Tyler Smith.
As for more recent possibilities, any of the 4 or 5 star recruits Iowa has been on over the past 6 years could be. Just because they didn't come to Iowa doesn't mean that Iowa didn't play the game.
I have been a fan of Iowa athletics for over 55 years. I live less than 3 miles from Carver Hawkeye Arena. I used to be a sponsor of the Lute Olson radio show. I have donated a large amount of money thru the years to the U of I. I have known many Iowa coaches and Iowa officials including Presidents. I live here, gone to the same bars as Iowa coaches, and I think I'm fairly well connected thru the years. I certainly don't wish any ill will toward Iowa and never have.
I don't understand why anyone today can be naive and think it is their responsibility to defend an institution about anything. I'm only saying Iowa has had an interesting past and let's wait and see where this goes before we declare Iowa is squeeky clean. Heck, our A.D. was just found guilty of several inappropriate actions when dealing with his employees. When big money is involved, people don't always do the legal thing.
The question you ask about who at Iowa in the past 15 to 20 years could be questionable.
You must not have read my post about Craig Neal and Tyler Smith.
As for more recent possibilities, any of the 4 or 5 star recruits Iowa has been on over the past 6 years could be. Just because they didn't come to Iowa doesn't mean that Iowa didn't play the game.
I have been a fan of Iowa athletics for over 55 years. I live less than 3 miles from Carver Hawkeye Arena. I used to be a sponsor of the Lute Olson radio show. I have donated a large amount of money thru the years to the U of I. I have known many Iowa coaches and Iowa officials including Presidents. I live here, gone to the same bars as Iowa coaches, and I think I'm fairly well connected thru the years. I certainly don't wish any ill will toward Iowa and never have.
I don't understand why anyone today can be naive and think it is their responsibility to defend an institution about anything. I'm only saying Iowa has had an interesting past and let's wait and see where this goes before we declare Iowa is squeeky clean. Heck, our A.D. was just found guilty of several inappropriate actions when dealing with his employees. When big money is involved, people don't always do the legal thing.
Before we go off the deep end, is it that hard to believe that a player could be swayed at last minute by an Kentucky offer as opposed to Iowa? Happens all the time when the bigger fish swoops in on the smaller fish. Iowa does it to commits to other schools who are lower in stature than the Hawkeyes.
So Cal must have paid him to go there? Isn't that where he ended up?Again, nothing to worry about.Today is a good day to enjoy being a clean program and just watch the start of the cheaters going down.
And the next time somebody says something like, "We missed" on a Charlie Moore type....just be glad.
Well, they did have another one of those former Louisville assistants that seem to be everywhere a bad story happens.
Lets not go off the deep end on this. That was merely a social justice warrior bullshit witch hunt. Iowa lost because gary did a terrible job of documenting jane meyers incompetence and unprofessional conduct. Ask any coach, the bitch deserved to be fired. (Yes, i have first hand account)
Carry on. Lets not derail thread any further
Im an Iowa homer and I am not sure anybody can claim there weren't some shady things going on with Lute and Ravling
Terre, Not off the deep end. You chose to pick a small piece of my comments and it was only to illustrate that not everyone in Iowa's athletic dept. does what is the law all the time.
Barta broke a law by not documenting personnel matters. Yes, I know Jane Meyer and many others (past and present) in the athletic dept.
I'm not looking to get into a pissing match with you or anyone. This is my 645th post in over 15 years. I don't live on this site.
Barta broke a law by not documenting personnel matters. Yes, I know Jane Meyer and many others (past and present) in the athletic dept.
I'm not looking to get into a pissing match with you or anyone. This is my 645th post in over 15 years. I don't live on this site.
Recall that, prior to Kentucky, it was down to Iowa and Michigan State. Stealing him from Iowa may have been easy pickings. MSU...not so much.
Very well said! These are my sentiments exactly........I just want to watch fair competition.... IF a school is cheating (that can be proven) then I hope they get their azz kicked. I don't want cheating, by anybody. Win clean, doing it the right way, or don't do it at all.
If you are investigating this University.....that quick pronouncement that we have this sacrificial lamb and everyone else is clean would be viewed with suspicion. They would have been much better off saying, "at this point we have found no further evidence of wrong doing but we are intensifying our investigation and will not rest until we are completely satisfied with the results."
Not trying to argue, just asking a question....but is there a law that says you have to document personnel matters? It's the right thing to do and it's the smart thing to do. In fact, you just might lose the case in civil court if you don't, but is there a law that says that you have to document? A labor law or something? I'm 99% sure there is no criminal law that you would break by not doing this.
Thank you for sharing this information......I wish you would share what you know about past indiscretions by the U of Iowa but I understand if you aren't comfortable with that. It would just be good education for the rest of us (me in particular).
One other item of note.....to some this might just be semantics, but Barta and the U of I weren't found guilty.....that's for criminal acts. They were found liable for their actions. There is actually a distinction there.
They're trying to cut this off before the FBI starts digging around and gets to their football program. Gotta protect that cash cow first.
My sources say that this will only be limited by the amount of manpower available to the FBI. So football isn’t out of the question.
I had no intention of getting you all riled up. Jees , sorry i guess? My understanding was that as far as the FBI is concerned they were looking at this from the perspective of the recruits relationship with his handlers,(family, coaches, hangers on), to the schools recruiting him, to agents, and shoe companies all trading monies to steer the player from point A to B to C. I highly doubt the FBI is going to attempt to clean up college athletics. I think they started this investigation with a pretty clear idea of what they're were going after, and I doubt, their going to go back decades investigating these schools. There seems to be plenty of low hanging fruit here, for them to put the fear of god into a lot of schools,and get some high profile convictions. I don't think the DOJ is going to spend years of hard work and court time on cleaning up college basketball.
I hope the FBI's light they are shining on all of this is bright enough to catch all these rats! This is really going to blow up BIG! How fast and how big is yet to be seen. Stay tuned!!
I would like them to expand their internal "investigation" to their football program as well....not saying Saban is a not a good coach because he obviously is, but Cmon....the dude is Coach Cal of football...seems pretty snaky to me
Pretty soon the rats are going to run out of people to flip on in college basketball...
I hope this expands to all sports- AAU circuit is the problem in basketball, football now has sponsered camps and 7 v 7, baseball has club teams, wrestling has club.....all of this "private" teams are ruining the game, these coaches make bank off these kids- corrupt or not. Things need to be done through high school sports where it is much more regulated
"...seedy coaches, the greedy parents, the oily Adidas executive and the slithering agents."
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