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The death of tolerance

The Tradition

HB King
Apr 23, 2002
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How has it happened that at this moment of history, large numbers of young people have come to associate exposure to dissenting views with suffering an injury so egregious that it requires university administrators and professors to respond by publicly validating the wound and stamping out further expressions of dissent?

The best explanation can be found in a recent Atlantic cover story by constitutional lawyer Greg Lukianoff and social psychologist Jonathan Haidt. Titled "The Coddling of the American Mind," the article traces the unprecedented fragility of today's college students to the attitudes of their parents and schools about safety. Consistently taught that the world is a perilous place — with everyone and everything from sexual predators, playground bullies, and hit-and-run drivers to monkey bars and peanut butter threatening to inflict damage or injury — young people have learned the following lesson: "Life is dangerous, but adults will do everything in their power to protect you from harm, not just from strangers but from one another as well."

Growing up in an era of ideological polarization and reared on social media from a formative age, young people today have also learned that disagreements are often rancorous — and that comfort can be found in forming communities of the likeminded that define themselves against outsiders. (Talk among the Yale protesters about how their residential college should serve as a "place of comfort and home," rather than an "intellectual space," seems to follow from this model of social-media interaction.)

The point is that the protesters didn't spring into existence out of nothing. Their preferences and convictions aren't self-evidently true. And they aren't giving voice to common sense. They are thinking and feeling a certain way, and making specific demands, because of how they were raised — by their parents, by their schools, and by their culture.

By our culture.

We made them this way.

This should give all of us pause — and not only because, as Lukianoff and Haidt point out, today's student activists could well grow up to become miserable adults suffering from acute anxiety and depression.

It should also trouble us because of the likely civic consequences.

Can a liberal democracy thrive if a good portion of its citizens embrace the blatantly illiberal proposition that freedom of thought and tolerance of dissent are incompatible with human flourishing and should therefore berepressed?

A corollary of the American myth of spontaneous self-generation is the view that any and all human beings, if given a free choice, would choose to live as we do, to abide by liberal democratic norms and institutions. But this, too, is a fiction. The truth is that liberal democratic citizens need to be made, and then they need to be reproduced, cultivated. (If the failures of our multiple democratization projects in the Middle East and South Asia over the past 14 years haven't taught us both how essential and how monumentally difficult this task often is, I don't know what would.)

The United States is a liberal democracy that is producing significant numbers of citizens who do not think and act like citizens of a liberal democracy.

If the trend continues and spreads, it will not end well.

A wise man once wrote: "To realize the relative validity of one's convictions and yet stand for them unflinchingly is what distinguishes a civilized man from a barbarian." Striking and maintaining the right balance between absolutism and relativism, confident self-advocacy and intellectual humility can be a tricky business. Achieving it is indeed a mark of civilized life.

But it is also a precondition for liberal citizenship, which demands that people stand up for what they believe in while simultaneously remaining alive to the inevitable partiality of their perspective on the truth — and therefore to the possibility that someone else just might end up being right.

Toleration is the name we give to this moral and epistemological balancing act. It is the preeminently liberal virtue.

Which is why the rejection of it by so many on our college campuses — and our response to that rejection — is so important.

How can we inculcate the virtue of toleration in those who reject it? What good does that virtue serve? And how does it fit into higher education and a good human life?

http://theweek.com/articles/587967/yale-mizzou-death-liberal-toleration
 
We are now seeing the result of the American progressive education system of jumping rope without a rope because some kids can't do it and they'll feel bad if put in that situation.

No dodge ball because some kids aren't good enough. No musical chairs because it's unfair when one kid doesn't get to sit down. No cowboys and indians on the playground because it's insensitive. No biting a pop tart into the shape of a gun because it's dangerous and there is NO tolerance for violence in the schools.

It's all happening right before our very eyes. Funny thing is, many of us saw it happening and said something, but others just laughed at us and told us not to worry about it. It's harmless and the right thing to do.

Well, it's not harmless and it wasn't the right thing to do because now we have this bullshit in Missouri and our police fighting young adults because they feel threatened even thought they're breaking the law.
 
Considering your view of the protesters this must be irony. Look in the mirror.
 
We are now seeing the result of the American progressive education system of jumping rope without a rope because some kids can't do it and they'll feel bad if put in that situation.

No dodge ball because some kids aren't good enough. No musical chairs because it's unfair when one kid doesn't get to sit down. No cowboys and indians on the playground because it's insensitive. No biting a pop tart into the shape of a gun because it's dangerous and there is NO tolerance for violence in the schools.

It's all happening right before our very eyes. Funny thing is, many of us saw it happening and said something, but others just laughed at us and told us not to worry about it. It's harmless and the right thing to do.

Well, it's not harmless and it wasn't the right thing to do because now we have this bullshit in Missouri and our police fighting young adults because they feel threatened even thought they're breaking the law.

You've probably answered this before, but where were you educated? I went to Iowa.
 
They aren't protesters. They're civil rights violators. When they use words and not force, then they'll be protesters.

Did you define "force" yet? This is all I could find: make a way through or into by physical strength

I'd love to see yours.
 
Do you remember college being as political as it is today when you went school?

Yes, absolutely, yes. I'm probably not as old as you, but I distinctly remember many a congregation on the pentacrest where lively, loud, and politically-charged debate took place. If you think college wasn't political, take a look at the photos from the 60s and 70s at Iowa, you know, when the FBI, state patrol, national guard (?), etc. were all there monitoring protests.

But I'm sure that is different somehow.

In fact, I think the problem is that college is less political, people are less likely to express their opinions and are too self-indulged to take part.
 
They aren't protesters. They're civil rights violators. When they use words and not force, then they'll be protesters.
There was no force. You are playing a cheap, hysterical victim who suffered nothing but would gladly give up rights so that the government could keep your world ordered. Think on your position and repent.
 
Did you define "force" yet? This is all I could find: make a way through or into by physical strength

I'd love to see yours.

If you'd read the thread instead of spastically firing off idiotic comments that you haven't quite thought through you'd realize I defined it.
 
Wait another 5-15 years, and then post the same article. It will be exactly the same as the ones posted in 2010, 2005, 2000, all the way back to the 1960s. Remember the pink locker room lady?

There isn't much a difference between the youth of today and you guys. They just have a really powerful and effective social media presence that allows their stupidity to reach the masses. Whereas you could say your idiotic crap in the dorms of Burge or the tables of the Airliner, without anyone but your friends knowing...
 
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Yes, absolutely, yes. I'm probably not as old as you, but I distinctly remember many a congregation on the pentacrest where lively, loud, and politically-charged debate took place. If you think college wasn't political, take a look at the photos from the 60s and 70s at Iowa, you know, when the FBI, state patrol, national guard (?), etc. were all there monitoring protests.

But I'm sure that is different somehow.

In fact, I think the problem is that college is less political, people are less likely to express their opinions and are too self-indulged to take part.


I remember the people that stood on a box right across the street from Iowa Book and Supply on the Pentacrest and students yelling at them. I just don't think that would happen today. What I don't remember is professors pushing a political agenda. Maybe I didn't recognize it but it was probably because I was drunk a lot and was worried where the next party was going to be. Who knows?
 
There was no force. You are playing a cheap, hysterical victim who suffered nothing but would gladly give up rights so that the government could keep your world ordered. Think on your position and repent.

If you impede my movement and stop me from going on my way just what the hell do YOU call that if not force?
 
If you impede my movement and stop me from going on my way just what the hell do YOU call that if not force?

The opposite of force? Passivity?

They are, literally, standing still. In what definition, even using the one you use above, can that be "forceful"? Forceful might be physically holding someone back, pinning them to the ground, picking up the front end of the car, etc.

You are missing the obvious in passive resistance. They are forcing others to make the choice to be "forceful", obviously here the car chose not to do so.

This, according to you, is textbook forceful, violent protest:
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Agreed. I don't care what political spectrum you ascribe, but there are a lot of pansy-asses out there, always have been. Remember when parents were burning record sand cds of devil music? Come on, this isn't new, just as slieb says.

But I agree that we need more tolerance, that is why I always encourage protest.
 
Agreed. I don't care what political spectrum you ascribe, but there are a lot of pansy-asses out there, always have been. Remember when parents were burning record sand cds of devil music? Come on, this isn't new, just as slieb says.

But I agree that we need more tolerance, that is why I always encourage protest.

You encourage protest only from the left. If the right did it, you probably wouldn't agree. Am I wrong?
 
You encourage protest only from the left. If the right did it, you probably wouldn't agree. Am I wrong?

You will never find a post of mine that represents that, never.

I will complain about their message, sure, point out how ignorant it is, how useless, how absurd, but not against their ability to protest.

I'm all for protest. I am one of the very very few on here who have argued for the Westboro baptists on here. Go for it gay-haters, wave those ignorant banners!
 
You have the freedom to detain me and make me listen to your speech? You have the freedom to stop me from leaving and keep me from refusing to listen to your speech?

Jeebus, this is the seeds of fascism.
The fact that you keep having to lie about what happened in the protest doesn't speak well of you and certainly isn't going to win the argument
 
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You have the freedom to detain me and make me listen to your speech? You have the freedom to stop me from leaving and keep me from refusing to listen to your speech?

Jeebus, this is the seeds of fascism.

Nobody has detained you, you are in a parade, they chose to stay. Oh, right, I forgot, another one of your inherent, alien-granted civil liberties protected by an all unknowing force.

btw, anyone know how long this stoppage lasted in total?
 
You encourage protest only from the left. If the right did it, you probably wouldn't agree. Am I wrong?
Of course you are wrong. When the tea party marches we make fun of them, we don't call for the government to arrest or sic the dogs on them. You fools are way over reacting.
 
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The fact that you keep having to lie about what happened in the protest doesn't speak well of you and certainly isn't going to win the argent.

What lie? They detained the people in the car for 10 minutes. THAT IS TEXTBOOK TAKING of someone's liberties.
 
Nobody has detained you, you are in a parade, they chose to stay. Oh, right, I forgot, another one of your inherent, alien-granted civil liberties protected by an all unknowing force.

btw, anyone know how long this stoppage lasted in total?
The video made it look like it was over in 10 minutes.
 
Of course you are wrong. When the tea party marches we make fun of them, we don't call for the government to arrest or sic the dogs on them. You fools are way over reacting.

Link to Tea Party surrounding a car and not letting it leave the area.
 
What lie? They detained the people in the car for 10 minutes. THAT IS TEXTBOOK TAKING of someone's liberties.
No they didn't. There was no detention. And wasting some ones time is not a violation of liberty. Grow up. You are arguing for a police state to save yourself the possibility of a disagreement. You should go to bed because you are all kinds of wrong tonight.
 
Of course you are wrong. When the tea party marches we make fun of them, we don't call for the government to arrest or sic the dogs on them. You fools are way over reacting.

This, at least from us. I will not include some other posters in this.
 
No they didn't. There was no detention. And wasting some ones time is not a violation of liberty. Grow up. You are arguing for a police state to save yourself the possibility of a disagreement. You should go to bed because you are all kinds of wrong tonight.

Not just a disagreement, but from participating, or watching, a parade ... for the university whose students were protesting.
 
Not just a disagreement, but from participating, or watching, a parade ... for the university whose students were protesting.
A government parade that forced the whole town to stop and listen to the government cheerleaders no less. If we adopt Traditions views we might say the protesters stopped a coup. Real freedom fighters bringing down the government street takeover with out a shot.
 
Seriously, I can't imagine going to a University homecoming parade and being upset, angry, or scared by students of that university using their own parade to politically protest issues relating to that same university.

Shit, we have lost our tolerance, thanks for pointing out the irony OP.
 
No they didn't. There was no detention. And wasting some ones time is not a violation of liberty. Grow up. You are arguing for a police state to save yourself the possibility of a disagreement. You should go to bed because you are all kinds of wrong tonight.

You'd be singing a different tune if someone surrounded your car and demanded you listen to a list of grievances. That is not what freedom looks like.
 
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