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The Hodge

Man, the wrestling world is worked up this week.





Crazy shit…acting like a little girl.

IMO the level of difficulty is the difference as many have said. HWT was arguably the most difficult bracket ever and 165 was clearly the weakest bracket out of 10. MM is dominant, but what Wyatt did was generational.
I know there are many ways to look at this, bu I don’t see how Star is in this if dominance is the criteria.
 
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Crazy shit…acting like a little girl.

IMO the level of difficulty is the difference as many have said. HWT was arguably the most difficult bracket ever and 165 was clearly the weakest bracket out of 10. MM is dominant, but what Wyatt did was generational.
I know there are many ways to look at this, bu I don’t see how Star is in this if dominance is the criteria.
Yep, quality of competition is one of the factors, and that's the difference maker for Wyatt in my opinion.
 
CP discussed at length his Hodge vote on FRL. Basically thinks Wyatt and Carter have strong cases and Mitchell does not. I agree with his assessment.

He brought up sportsmanship as a possible deciding factor among voters cuz the race is so close, which obviously hurts Carter, but then revealed his vote for Carter. I understood his reasoning but like many do not agree with it.

As far as Willie, its about time he fades into obscurity. He’s completely unhinged. It’s embarrassing. Hard to believe he’s still credentialed and has a vote.
 
Crazy shit…acting like a little girl.

IMO the level of difficulty is the difference as many have said. HWT was arguably the most difficult bracket ever and 165 was clearly the weakest bracket out of 10. MM is dominant, but what Wyatt did was generational.
I know there are many ways to look at this, bu I don’t see how Star is in this if dominance is the criteria.
HWT was the most difficult bracket ever???? There were three elite guys and one was very injured coming into the tournament. Yes his victory over Gable was historic but in no way was this one of the toughest brackets ever. JMO
 
Sportsmanship absolutely should be a determining factor for the Hodge Trophy. Pissing on graves, throwing tantrums while quiting on your team, pink dildos etc.. Hard Pass


Wyatt deserves it
But those are all past credentials

P.S. I don't use emogis, but if I did you could probably imagine a winking one here.
 
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I am so tired of all this hoopla about a 5 time champ. Who, among us, does not think all the 4 time champs would have won a 5th title, if they had the chance? No one I am guessing!!
I totally understand what your saying - at first look you would assume they all win again. but as we've seen it is hard to stay healthy for all of those years - even Carter didn't stay healthy the entire time, but he still won while injured.

I am not a Carter fan by any means - and also think Wyatt should win the hodge. Just chiming in about how "automatic" that 5th title would be for all the 4 timers
 
It's Messenbrink for me. I get why they would give it to Starocci or Hendrickson, but the reward is truly supposed to be given to the most dominant wrestler. Even with how good Caliendo wrestled this year, he was NEVER close to winning and even got teched one of the 3 matches.

But, I do see that for all that dominance, Mitch didn't have a single win by fall, but 18 of his 27 wins were TF's. He only had 3 matches by regular decision and those were 8-2, 5-0 and 4-1...
The Hodge trophy is named after Dan Hodge. 46-0 with 36 pins. If you don't think pins are essential then rename the award.
 
I am so tired of all this hoopla about a 5 time champ. Who, among us, does not think all the 4 time champs would have won a 5th title, if they had the chance? No one I am guessing!!
I think it’s more about how can you win 5x and have no Hodges? Gable won “only” twice and has two Hodges to show for it. They wrestled the same time period. You’d have to say Carter had the better career.
 
I think it’s more about how can you win 5x and have no Hodges? Gable won “only” twice and has two Hodges to show for it. They wrestled the same time period. You’d have to say Carter had the better career.
and that has nothing to do with the hodge trophy though. Its about the individual season. Carter can have won 5 years in a row and in each of those seasons someone else had a more dominant season individually
 
The Hodge trophy is named after Dan Hodge. 46-0 with 36 pins. If you don't think pins are essential then rename the award.
I get it and like I said I am fine with Wyatt winning it. They have just deviated from that criteria enough times now that I more look for who is beating everyone badly vs. falls….
 
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Carter = 26-0/ 84.62%
Wyatt = 27-0/ 81.48% bonus rate

Carter = 22 bonus point wins
Wyatt = 21 bonus point wins

Carter = 5 falls
Wyatt = 13 falls

Carter = 10 techs/ 1 DQ
Wyatt = 8 techs/ Inj default

Carter = 5 majors
Wyatt = 0 majors

6 of Wyatt's pins happened during the Big 12 and NCAA tournaments, which is wild. He got even more dominate as the competition ramped up.


When all else is fairly equal I give the edge to the wrestler who has more falls, considering that's a major criteria of the award to begin with.

Lastly, Wyatt is the ultimate sportsman and always shows pure class.
 
Carter = 26-0/ 84.62%
Wyatt = 27-0/ 81.48% bonus rate

Carter = 22 bonus point wins
Wyatt = 21 bonus point wins

Carter = 5 falls
Wyatt = 13 falls

Carter = 10 techs/ 1 DQ
Wyatt = 8 techs/ Inj default

Carter = 5 majors
Wyatt = 0 majors

6 of Wyatt's pins happened during the Big 12 and NCAA tournaments, which is wild. He got even more dominate as the competition ramped up.


When all else is fairly equal I give the edge to the wrestler who has more falls, considering that's a major criteria of the award to begin with.

Lastly, Wyatt is the ultimate sportsman and always shows pure class.
 
And Aaron Judge only belted 62 homers in a season because he plays at Yankee Stadium.

That's a lazy argument.
Not really. That stat isn’t to say that the big guys are easier to put on there back. It is simply that it is that much harder for them to get off their back. Gravity and physics and such…
 
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Historically pins have weighed heavily into the equation as stated by Chapman repeatedly when winners were announced. There has been exceptions. 2011 was a close race and Burroughs (6 falls, 14 tf, 80% bonus) edged Oliver (11 falls, 6 tf, 82% bonus). I wouldn’t be surprised to see Carter edge out Wyatt. It will likely be close either way.
 
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Not really. That stat isn’t to say that the big guys are easier to put on there back. It is simply that it is that much harder for them to get off their back. Gravity and physics and such…
Yes I realize that and was going to same the same exact thing, but that still doesn't mean anything when talking about The Hodge Trophy.

A pin is a pin, regardless of the weight class. The only time this has been an issue is right now dealing with Carter. Convenient.
 
Hodge was a pinner. As dominate as Mitchell is, a 0 pin winner just doesn’t seem right.
Agree 100%. Especially in the era of the 3-pt takedown and 4-pt near fall. Pinning has to contribute significantly in the portfolio if one is to earn the Hodge.
(unless, of course, you’re the only undefeated champ or something)
 
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Another interesting thing to note, and Flo pointed this out, is obviously each previous Hodge winner gets a vote and those with multiple Hodges wins get multiple votes.

For example: Cael 3, Spencer 2, Steveson 2, and David Taylor 2...

DT created a 4 point swing and we have to assume those 2 votes went to Wyatt. Love it.
 
It's Messenbrink for me. I get why they would give it to Starocci or Hendrickson, but the reward is truly supposed to be given to the most dominant wrestler. Even with how good Caliendo wrestled this year, he was NEVER close to winning and even got teched one of the 3 matches.

But, I do see that for all that dominance, Mitch didn't have a single win by fall, but 18 of his 27 wins were TF's. He only had 3 matches by regular decision and those were 8-2, 5-0 and 4-1...
Agreed.

1. Mesenbrink
2. Hendrickson
3. Starocci

I can understand why Starocci might win it, but it isn't a career award.
 
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