This is what happens when Trump can't bring in or hand pick crowds
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I was wondering if there would be a post about this.
Dude went after an entirely new demographic, a demographic known for hating anything government and frankly not even agreeing with itself.
If he gains anything it was a win.
Dude went after an entirely new demographic, a demographic known for hating anything government and frankly not even agreeing with itself.
If he gains anything it was a win.
The bottom of the barrel is taken care of, that's for sure. Probably does have to look elsewhere.
Got a whole 6 votes and was ridiculed the whole time he spoke. Yea that was a win.
That's 6 to the good compared to his opponent who is hemorrhaging votes for any demographic that has lived in out country longer than 2 years.
It's not a problem with the voters, the way the electoral system is set up pretty much guarantees that the vast majority of people coalesce around 2 different groups.
That's why I keep saying we need to change it across the board. I suggest Ranked choice voting and mixed member proportional representation.
This is angood stepping off point for the way the democrats caucus in Iowa. I would love to see it. That system basically talks the outcast into voting for the most likely right?
It allows your vote to count even if you are a minority in your area.
There is a couple ways of doing it. One is just that you vote for whatever candidate you like in your area and even if he doesn't win the district they tabulate the votes for each party total in the nation and add seats for each party to make up the difference. That way if a party ended up with 35% of the vote but only got 20% of the seats they give them seats at the end.
The other way is that you vote for your district rep and then you vote for which party you like. Then they take the total votes for each party in the 2nd portion and use it to make up the difference to make it proportional to the vote they got.
A lot of them also use certain thresholds like 5% or 10% so your party doesn't get in if you fall below a certain threshold. I believe the main purpose of this is to prevent extremist parties from getting in but also to keep it from getting crowded with too many parties. Because while I strongly believe that only 2 parties in government far too few, I would also venture to guess that having a dozen or more parties is too many.
The problem Trump has with that crowd mainly sits around the vaccine and how COVID was handled. Most of those libertarians feel that the forced jab was a giant no-no along with the ramifications that we have seen since from jab injuries. Trump is still claiming all things COVID as a giant victory and a lot of people see it as his worst moment that he refuses to acknowledge. Just my thoughts as to what is going on with that group.
A lot of countries use it. Germany being one of the most notable.
And quite frankly they are one of the most politically stable republics out there right now.
One thing I like about this is that it seems to offer the right mix between being able to move when it's time to make a move but not moving too fast.
One of the main problems in our democracy is IMO too many cooks in the kitchen. If we want something to become law, you have to not only have to get majority in the house and super majorities in the senate but you also have to have the support of the speaker of the house and the senate majority leader and the president. All of those people can effectively kill a bill that otherwise enjoys majority support.
We don't have 1 person with veto power (The president) as per the constitution we effectively have 3. (The president, the speaker of the house, and the senate majority leader).
I think in a place like the UK or Canada the opposite problem is in effect. The PM is effectively too powerful since there are only 2 major parties here then one party or the other effectively has control and can ram-rod legislation.
My view is that coalition government like in Germany is a good mix. You have to make compromises with other parties to get into office. So naturally to pass legislation you have to compromise there too and can't just ramrod through your party's dream list of priorities.
I don't think we need to use the same system as Germany and have a parliamentary system with lots of parties. My thought is in the house multiple parties could form coalitions to get specific legislation passed and that these coalitions would last only as long as it takes to pass the bill. And it's also good to have voices in the room that are not politically tied to particular leader. Another problem we have is that 2 parties in control and one of those parties is politically tied to whom ever the president is and the other is politically tied to destroying him. Proportional systems reward parties for doing a good job for the people, not as much for destroying another party. You can destroy another party and that's great, maybe I will agree with you that they are shit, but even if you prove to me that party A is shit, that doesn't mean I have to vote for Party B. Because parties C,D,E,F, G and H are still all options. Party B needs to show me what they are doing for me.
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hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Yes I’m sure the only issue that hardcore libertarians have with Trump is operation warp speed.
I’m sure his dictatorial, fascist tendencies will be embraced whole heartedly by a group of people who advocate for civil liberties free from government tyranny.
Trump has publicly stated he wants revenge. That is the stuff of tyrants, kinda the opposite of libertarian.
That he is a vile, life long criminal and conman and a pos terrorist actually.
Have you ever spoke to a "libratarian"? They don't know what they believe 99% of the time and sure as shit getting 2 of them to agree on anything is impossible. Libratarian translates to "here is what I think".
Please expound on those things Trump did in his first term. You seem to be gobbling up the MSMBC talking points. JB controlling media and social media and weaponizing the alphabet agencies against his political rivals would seem much more dictatorial and fascist.
A very fair question. At the end of the day, I would not expect a much different atmospheric 'result' if the President spoke at the Libertarian convention. Maybe a little bit more polite, but not a lot.
My former neighbor was a libertarian law professor. Libertarian as in, he and his libertarian wife, before they had precocious children, used to have an annual Friederich Hayek Birthday Party every year, to which they would invite other libertarian law professors. They knew very much what they believed in, but it was devilishly hard to have a normal conversation with them about even the most mundane of topics.
Well, we were able to successfully order for delivery...
Chaos scale:
Conversation with libratarian on tip amount based off pre tax or post tax > a clockwork orange.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Is a “Libratarian” someone who wants freedom from other signs of the Zodiac?
Many Libertarians I’ve met are quite intelligent and well educated. Unlike the “party line” voters in the 2 main parties they tend to form their own opinions. I am staunchly independent myself, but would most closely identify with the Libertarians if not for the crazy Ron Paul wing of the party.
I have no doubt they articulate "this is what I think" really well, the problem is we are a country of 330m.
Ehhh there are multiple types of libertarians. One of those types are Republicans who like to say they are libertarians, but they arn't. They are out and out right wingers who maybe don't have as many problems with gay people as DeSantis does.
However the people showing up to the libertarian party convention are not those people. These are people who are hardcore hell bent on the libertarian party eventually winning seats and eventually the presidency. Those people also know they can't do that by nominating the same guy as the R's or the D's.
It's not surprising to me at all that Trump didn't get a warm welcome there.
Totally! I mean, an honest money system, limited government, a non-interventionist foreign policy, fair trade with every nation; entanglements with none…that’s just freaking insane!!! Who the hell do those people think they are?!?
the biden campaign has enough self awareness to know not to do that
I suspect Biden has enough self awareness to campaign from his basement again...
This could not be further from the truth. The vaccine is 1% of the problem libertarians have with trump.
I'd love to see you list the reasons why libertarians should object to Trump (even if they don't). Also (if you wish) why they might like Trump.
I'll give the left-libertarian response if you'll kick it off.
With regards to Trump:
"Cognitive decline that is sitting on top of a severe personality disorder."
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When my fiance no pics showed me clips over the weekend from this event, I said this exact same thing/csb
They sure as shit seem united on not liking Trump...
