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This loss is on this coaching staff. No one else.

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I first want to start off saying I appreciate what Fran has done at Iowa. I will never forget the Lickliter days, as much as I would like to, and appreciate Fran getting us back to being a tourney team, BUT, this loss is on him and the coaches.

I see everyone bitching about our slow guards and needing to recruit more athletic players. I get it. But I honestly feel like THIS Iowa team wins this game with a better coach.

You think Porter Moser loses this game with this exact team? Not a ****ing chance in hell.

Trying to run with this team was just plain idiotic from the get go. Slow the game down. Walk the ball up the court. Feed Garza EVERY possession and run the offense through him. Get Oregon in foul trouble and force them to double Garza.

Really unfortunate that Fran decided to try and play up tempo against a team far more athletic than us. Our best team in 20+ years is out in the second round. ****.
 
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1. Zone defense all first half gave Oregon all the open shots needed to build confidence. The same zone we abandoned during the season and got significantly better.

2. Lineups. Why not let the starters get it going together a little more. Lover Perkins and Ulis for the future but this probably wasn't the time for them to see significant minutes when we still had a chance to make a run.

Oregon was on fire too. We gave them open shots, they hit em.
 
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This loss started many years back and has always laid waiting in Frans stubborn coaching mind. He insists on playing uptempo. He fails to recruit to the need of his preferred style. Finally he insists playing his style against a highly athletic team while lacking the necessary pieces but carrying one very big piece in a 6-11 player of the year center.

This game got away from Iowa when he brought back in two very unathletic guards after the game started going fast paced. As a result Oregon dictated the pace of the game, controlled it, and ran away with the game. Iowa never attempted to slow things back down before this moment and start feeding Garza the one huge mismatch Iowa had and one that was drawing fouls that helped keep a reasonable game pace for Iowa. Fran failed to make any adjustments. He failed to counter and he failed to realize the severity late in the first half of the game pace and the lineup he had on the court before it was too late.
 
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thewop said:
1. Zone defense all first half gave Oregon all the open shots needed to build confidence. The same zone we abandoned during the season and got significantly better.

2. Lineups. Why not let the starters get it going together a little more. Lover Perkins and Ulis for the future but this probably wasn't the time for them to see significant minutes when we still had a chance to make a run.

Oregon was on fire too. We gave them open shots, they hit em.
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Bohannon was giving us nothing on both ends. If anything less Bohannon would’ve given us a much better chance.
 
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Oregon did what Oregon does....why wasn't Iowa better prepared?

Coaches are responsible for a flexible game plan to try to give their team the best chance to win. With the talent this Iowa team has in is players......it looked to me like the talent was lacking on the coaching side.
 
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Coaching had nothing to do with this loss. Oregon was on freaking fire regardless of what we did. Banked in 3’s making them with hands in their face. That got the snowball started and we started playing way too fast and that was that. The only thing ill blame on fran is not playing perkins and ulis enough through the year to prepare them. He brought them in today they wouldn’t do anything on offense and got back-cut into oblivion on d. Oregon was a very raw draw for us with their athleticism at all 5 positions. Sucks to see garza go out this way, bohannon on the other hand...✌not sad to see him leave
 
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This loss started many years back and has always laid waiting in Frans stubborn coaching mind. He insists on playing uptempo. He fails to recruit to the need of his preferred style. Finally he insists playing his style against a highly athletic team while lacking the necessary pieces but carrying one very big piece in a 6-11 player of the year center.

This game got away from Iowa when he brought back in two very unathletic guards after the game started going fast paced. As a result Oregon dictated the pace of the game, controlled it, and ran away with the game. Iowa never attempted to slow things back down before this moment and start feeding Garza the one huge mismatch Iowa had and one that was drawing fouls that helped keep a reasonable game pace for Iowa. Fran failed to make any adjustments. He failed to counter and he failed to realize the severity late in the first half of the game pace and the lineup he had on the court before it was too late.
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I always have felt that was Dr. Tom’s downfall - he tried to played ‘40 minutes of hell’ with guys like Brigg Tubbs, Troy Skinner, etc. His Hockey style substitutions got ugly (unathletic) in the 7-10 player slots. We really just need to emulate what Wisconsin has done in basketball to have any hope of going deep in The Dance...
 
Hawk_4shur said:
Porter Moser?

The Hawks ran headlong into a buzz saw today and got thumped. If you want to blame the coaches, go ahead.
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Odd how we seem to constantly run into this same buzz saw in the second round of the tourney every time we make it.

If you feel like you’ve seen this before, it’s because you have. Gonzaga, Villanova, first half of Tennessee, and now Oregon.

It really doesn’t matter what team we are playing. It happens EVERY god damn time.
 
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Chishawk1425 said:
This is the correct take. Blaming coaching on what we saw today is lazy and stupidity.
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Why pay a guy $3 million a year if roster management, coaching defense, game plan, have nothing to do with the results on the court?

I don't think Fran is going to win coach of the year in B1G this year. In fact, none of them should get the award because they all pretty much flopped with exception of Michigan still having a shot at a decent showing.
 
Chishawk1425 said:
This is the correct take. Blaming coaching on what we saw today is lazy and stupidity.
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So when is it okay to start blaming coaching? We’ve made the second round 4 times under Fran. We have been completely outclassed in 3 of them. In the other, we were down 23 before going on a run to get back into the game and get it to OT, but still lost.

I mean, you see other teams pull off huge upsets every year. You see other high seeded, much less athletic teams, compete and give teams all they can handle.

Wisconsin was able to keep it close with Baylor FFS. We are a better team than Wisconsin and Baylor is 10x the team that Oregon is. Yet we are the team that’s barely competitive. And it is happening year after year with Fran. With the type of players Fran normally recruits, his style of play is simply never going to compete with a lot of these teams.

We started playing slower about halfway through the B1G season, and had a lot of success. For some reason we went away from that today and I personally believe it cost us today. At the very least it cost us a chance at a competitive game. We were simply never staying competitive with this team playing at this pace.
 
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Hawkeye_Pride06 said:
Odd how we seem to constantly run into this same buzz saw in the second round of the tourney every time we make it.

If you feel like you’ve seen this before, it’s because you have. Gonzaga, Villanova, first half of Tennessee, and now Oregon.

It really doesn’t matter what team we are playing. It happens EVERY god damn time.
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Those 4 teams you listed... all had a substantial amount of hoopers.... Tennessee had the SEC player of the year... Oregon was underseeded and had 2 all-pac 12 players.... just to name a few....

and not to discount who the Hawks had or have... but they have been out gunned. Frans rotations can be nit-picked to death and he takes responsibility for the roster, but at some point the players have to flat out ball and be gritty. I feel like this last class will really help raise the overall level of play at the guard level.
 
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Hawkeye_Pride06 said:
But I honestly feel like THIS Iowa team wins this game with a better coach
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You’re out of your freaking mind. Oregon has athletes with basketball skills. Except for Keegan, Iowa has guys with basketball skills, and athletes, and the two groups are mutually exclusive. They are just way way way more talented, Omoyuri and Duarte are absolute studs on BOTH offense and defense. This isn’t 6X6 girls, who does Iowa have that is even close to as good on both ends of the floor? Keegan in a few years hopefully, but not yet. They are stacked with these guys. You need 5 Keegans that are Jrs and Sr, that’s what they had and JBo and CMAC never knew what hit them...
 
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Hawkeye_Pride06 said:
I first want to start off saying I appreciate what Fran has done at Iowa. I will never forget the Lickliter days, as much as I would like to, and appreciate Fran getting us back to being a tourney team, BUT, this loss is on him and the coaches.

I see everyone bitching about our slow guards and needing to recruit more athletic players. I get it. But I honestly feel like THIS Iowa team wins this game with a better coach.

You think Porter Moser loses this game with this exact team? Not a ****ing chance in hell.

Trying to run with this team was just plain idiotic from the get go. Slow the game down. Walk the ball up the court. Feed Garza EVERY possession and run the offense through him. Get Oregon in foul trouble and force them to double Garza.

Really unfortunate that Fran decided to try and play up tempo against a team far more athletic than us. Our best team in 20+ years is out in the second round. ****.
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Every loss is. What else yah got?
 
Hawkeye_Pride06 said:
Odd how we seem to constantly run into this same buzz saw in the second round of the tourney every time we make it.

If you feel like you’ve seen this before, it’s because you have. Gonzaga, Villanova, first half of Tennessee, and now Oregon.

It really doesn’t matter what team we are playing. It happens EVERY god damn time.
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The difference this year was that we were the 2 seed, not the 7 - 11 seed. We should not have been out classed on defense so badly. JW and CJ played without confidence today, Conner and JBo just didn't hardly shoot at all...
 
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skydog0784 said:
Fran totally screwed this game up. Joe T, Keegan, and Patrick had them rolling with the momentum and up 4 in the first half.

Brings in JBo and CJF and OR goes on a 14-0 run.

Anybody could see OR was too quick for our starting back court.
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Keegan?
 
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While I agree with many opinions on here stating we would have lost no matter what due to the great shooting by Oregon, I will have to say our game plan played directly into their hands imo. When you're constantly scrambling on defense, you leave open shooters. When you allow guys to get open looks they can get hot and it becomes contagious.

Not a fan of coaches in any sport that run the same system no matter who they are up against, that's lazy coaching. You set a plan in place to minimize your opponents strengths and maximize yours. Much like Dr. Tom, Fran is going to run up and down with whomever we play and I'm not a fan of that. We aren't athletic enough to play that style against everyone and today clearly proved that. Slow it down, make it a half court game, go inside out with LG and get back on D.

We had a line up issue all season imo and I've talked about it before here. Our lineups were not balanced. First team was full of shooters who couldn't dribble drive or play D, and the back ups could drive and play better D but weren't outside threats. Was hoping we'd mix that up during the brief losing streak in Feb but once it didn't happen then you knew it wasn't happening in March. That was the biggest fault of Fran this year from my eyes.
 
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If Fran sits Connor (who had TWO TORN LABRUM’S!!!!!) and plays Perkins and Joe T, maybe this turns out different. At the end of the day though, one team wanted it more.
 
Hawkeye_Pride06 said:
You think Porter Moser loses this game with this exact team? Not a ****ing chance in hell.
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Fran had more then 7 loses to teams that had better athletes then Iowa had....that said you can't race with a secretariat clone against a nag and expect to win.
What was Fran and his illustrious staff thinking, we got to nearly the halfway post, fell behind and by the finish line the other jockey had eased up on the reins.
As some have said, Fran is a victim of his own coaching ignorance. He believes that the Iowa fanbase loves fast pace basketball but forgets that the object of the game is to win....believe me when I say, Iowa fans feel much worse when Iowa loses by 20 and gives up 90, then watching Iowa run up and down the court all game.
As I said, Fran had all year to figure out that Iowa struggles against teams that love to put up shots as much as we do. Slowing the game down and not allowing the other team easy run outs and limiting their number of touches would have given Iowa a better chance at at least making a game of it.
THINK FRAN WILL EVER LEARN?
 
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TRHawkeye145 said:
I just don't get the "appreciate this bc of lick days". That excuse has run its course. It was horrible no doubt but at some point we have to treat frans tourney success on his own merit...not compare to the worst coach in iowa history...or college bball
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No sh**, this is a loser's attitude. "Hey, at least we're not embarrassingly terribly."
 
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TRHawkeye145 said:
I just don't get the "appreciate this bc of lick days". That excuse has run its course. It was horrible no doubt but at some point we have to treat frans tourney success on his own merit...not compare to the worst coach in iowa history...or college bball
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Amen. That was over 10 years ago.
 
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Hawkeye_Pride06 said:
Odd how we seem to constantly run into this same buzz saw in the second round of the tourney every time we make it.

If you feel like you’ve seen this before, it’s because you have. Gonzaga, Villanova, first half of Tennessee, and now Oregon.

It really doesn’t matter what team we are playing. It happens EVERY god damn time.
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I was just going to post that, to write this off as a unique “buzz saw” is absurd. We have seen this over and over again with Fran
 
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I don't fault any of the players. They all did the best they could do but as the OP and others point out, the pieces have never complimented each other and likely never will. Fran will never recruit enough talent to win these types of games and he won't adjust his style to fit the players he can recruit. When Oregon can ball fake and drive down the lane for dunks on multiple possessions, I struggle to understand what defensive strategy Fran is implementing other than matador. Somehow Abilene Christian, Loyola-Chicago and Oral Roberts can recruit guys to fit systems that can beat teams with better talent, but not Fran. Fran wants to put racing stripes and nice rims on the Taurus and take it to drag night against muscle cars.
 
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Ihawkhoops said:
I don't fault any of the players. They all did the best they could do but as the OP and others point out, the pieces have never complimented each other and likely never will. Fran will never recruit enough talent to win these types of games and he won't adjust his style to fit the players he can recruit. When Oregon can ball fake and drive down the lane for dunks on multiple possessions, I struggle to understand what defensive strategy Fran is implementing other than matador. Somehow Abilene Christian, Loyola-Chicago and Oral Roberts can recruit guys to fit systems that can beat teams with better talent, but not Fran. Fran wants to put racing stripes and nice rims on the Taurus and take it to drag night against muscle cars.
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THIS.

Look, I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to get some better athletes in here, but we had a damn good team this year that should have had all of the makings of a deep run in March.

This team should not have been blown out by Oregon today. This wasn’t Gonzaga or Baylor FFS. And people on here act like it has nothing to do with Fran. It’s just because Oregon has better athletes? IMO, Iowa is the better team. They’ve been the better team all year long. They were 5.5 pt favorites. Getting blown out in this game is inexcusable.
 
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Hawkeye_Pride06 said:
THIS.

Look, I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to get some better athletes in here, but we had a damn good team this year that should have had all of the makings of a deep run in March.

This team should not have been blown out by Oregon today. This wasn’t Gonzaga or Baylor FFS. And people on here act like it has nothing to do with Fran. It’s just because Oregon has better athletes? IMO, Iowa is the better team. They’ve been the better team all year long. They were 5.5 pt favorites. Getting blown out in this game is inexcusable.
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I feel bad that your post will probably get blasted by someone here. It shouldn't... everything you said was spot on
 
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