you don't understand the difference between the EU and NATO.
The rejection of NATO precipitated the coup by the U.S.
The EU was willing to play the long, slow game to entice Ukraine from Russia’s orbit, the neocons were not, hence, “**** the EU” from Nuland when discussing next steps in the coup
And you continually go back to 2010,
Yes, that’s when a vote recognized as free and fair by international observers elected a president who reflected the public’s view of joining NATO. This ran counter to neocon dreams expressed since 2008 to incorporate Ukraine into NATO.
while ignoring that Putin's invasions and interference starting in 2014 completely eliminated and feelings of favorability held by those in east and south Ukraine.
You ignore that it is more than just Putin’s invasion. As our former ambassador to Russia and current CIA Director told Washington, there are factions in that territory that would rebel against NATO ascension by Ukraine. And then the Russians would have to decide whether to support or abandon them - a choice in the cable he says they don’t want to face.
The neocons went with the coup, essentially daring Putin to do something about it, which he did.
Ignoring that gets us to the conflict in 2014 that arose in response to the coup against the elected government.
I used to wonder if the neocons in the Obama admin made that move (the coup) thinking Putin would just sit on his hands. Given the conduct when they returned to the White House and immediately started pushing NATO ascension, I think war is what they really wanted, and the goal of their policy conduct has been to get him to fire the first shot.
You look at it that way and every step taken makes more sense.
Mission Accomplished.
That's beyond the basic fact that having favorable relations with a country is completely diffetent from wanting them to invade and rule over you. Putin's a clumsy fool that destroyed any favorable feelings towards Russia in Ukraine.
Completely agree on that, I just don’t overlook how people would respond to a coup.
