This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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I’ve seen if firmly stated on this forum that attacks targeting civilian infrastructure are terrorism (setting aside that terrorism is non-state actor violence to achieve political aims…). Does it really just depend on the calendar?
I look on Russia bombing Ukraine infrastructure like Sherman burning Atlanta. I find ‘war crimes’ a kind of absurd notion, as the entire enterprise is essentially a criminal act.
My dad always told me the military was there to ‘break things and kill people until the enemy bent to your will’. I think he was right, and that’s why Hulagu Khan has a more successful track record than Petreus.
It’s an interesting discussion. I see no need to apologize for the Allied actions in WWII in bombing Germany and Japan and ultimately the two atomic bomb drops. I think we did what we needed to do and it was us vs. them. So if I don’t have an issue with that then I’m not sure how I reconcile the concepts of “war crimes” and rules of warfare generally.
A lot is proportionality and intent. If you only have a broad roller to paint with, you can’t paint a tiny speck, which needs to be covered with paint. The atomic bombs were paint rollers, while today we have micro paint brushes to paint the tiniest of dots. If we could use the micro paint brush but intentionally use the roller, there is a problem. If you use the paint roller on a wall that doesn’t even need paint, then we have even more of a problem.
JFC. You’re exhausting.
Your daddy done taught you wrong.
Might be part of the reason you’re so deeply confused.
Slava Ukraini
I don’t find it absurd, but as stated I do find it difficult to reconcile the concept with various real world historical examples.
To be crystal clear, I think the Russian government is 100% responsible for anything that happens in or to Ukraine. IMO, if Putin and any government leaders were captured I think they should just be executed, regardless of any war crimes charges. I suppose that in itself could be considered a war crime, which seems kinda silly to me given Ukraine is simply defending itself.
Google war crimes as defined by the UN and the Geneva convention. Start with the most black and white, such as using rape as a weapon, and work your way through the list. There are some that require analysis and balancing of interests and capability, and also intent. It’s like criminal law where you have involuntary manslaughter and all the way to first degree murder. It seems like a gray area is manslaughter where you did something on purpose knowing that it would kill innocent people, but you did it for another reason where the killing was incidental or collateral damage. Like droning ISIS commanders knowing you will also kill his family in the process. The war crime version would be torturing to death the leader’s family in front of him to extract information.
I love how I’m the middle the stooped over little grandma starts shuffling around to get him some tea or something. They have nothing. They’ve lived under Russian occupation. But, “Are you hungry? You look thin….I’ll get you something”.
It’s been this way from the start. Dehumanize your opponents. Demonize them as pedophiles.
I hope Lavrov catches a bullet before all this is over.
"Gifts from the Army ... Ural-4320 truck captured with all these ammunition."
From the destruction to the killing, what part of war isn’t otherwise a crime?
War is a moral atrocity.
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(Dead bodies)
I wonder if this is the copter we recently saw bodies falling from after being hit. (Was that a MI-8?)
T"he Russian Mi-8, together with the crew, lay down to rest after a hard day's work."
I wonder if this is the copter we recently saw bodies falling from after being hit. (Was that a MI-8?)
T"he Russian Mi-8, together with the crew, lay down to rest after a hard day's work."
"In the Belgorod region, an emergency blackout seems to have been implemented" . According to reports, the power line has been cut."
So with no intended irony, this Russian's solution to the Ukrainian "Nazi" problem is lebensraum.
It may be a secret but I wonder how many Ukrainians are being trained with the expansion of these boot camps.
It's not going to be a very good advertisement for their export business when these are filmed in ruins on the battlefields of Ukraine.
Constantly complaining to the refs and jumping from team to team chasing titles? I guess the requirement of being in the bag for China is true.
More armor arriving for the Big Red One.
"WarGames 800 UNITS OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT OF US, INCLUDING TANKS, TO POLAND From the 1st Infantry Division arriving as part of Operation Atlantic Solution.."
"WarGames 800 UNITS OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT OF US, INCLUDING TANKS, TO POLAND From the 1st Infantry Division arriving as part of Operation Atlantic Solution.."
He looks very Third Reich/Evil Empire First Order in his presentation.
