This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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(I have a couple of books of WW2 era editorial cartoons such as this one.)
Really starting to look we are getting 100k dead orcs and 3000 destroyed tanks for Christmas Day!
So Germany is off the shit list?
May just be propaganda-why are they using ancient tanks if they had these around. As someone in the thread said, the tanks look unreal, as if computer generated. (And that is what I would like to believe.
Refreshing to have an actual worthy person of the year rather than someone solely chosen to drive an agenda. Well done Time.
I think the tanks look fake because they have factory new paint with the lighting reflecting a sheen off the paint and have some attempt at extra armor added to them which creates those large very flat panels. I’m sure they’re real. Question is how well will they work when put into the field? Were they rushed? Were corners cut in quality? Did they have ”features” pulled because of lack of part inventory like happened with auto manufacturers during the pandemic? Crazy thing about tanks is that it only takes one man with an anti-tank rocket to knock them out now. Not sure that it is the best investment in arms anymore without having the infantry support to ensure the other guys don’t get close enough for that to happen.May just be propaganda-why are they using ancient tanks if they had these around. As someone in the thread said, the tanks look unreal, as if computer generated. (And that is what I would like to believe.
Wonder what the first object is that fell short then bounced.
Another view of the burning fuel tank at the Kursk airbase.
I modified their snide title. ( "Leni Riefenstahl reloaded… It's all just so ridiculous, but it seems to be working.")
"Before Vladolf Putler, #Ukraine was a paradise full of lovely maidens."
"Before Vladolf Putler, #Ukraine was a paradise full of lovely maidens."
FWIW
"A column of the latest T-90m "breakthrough"- #Panzer , just off the assembly line, arrived at the #Luhansk front. #Terminator He is mentioned in #Westen . #UkraineRussiaWar"
"A column of the latest T-90m "breakthrough"- #Panzer , just off the assembly line, arrived at the #Luhansk front. #Terminator He is mentioned in #Westen . #UkraineRussiaWar"
At the current ~500/day losses, we're looking at >102k by EOD on Christmas.
100k could be by as early as 12/21 (tabulated by the morning of 12/22)
Astounding.
I am by no means a military expert but I think tanks still have a place but they need to be part of combined arms. When you cannot establish air superiority and have intelligence/recon gaps, they are ripe targets. Since Russia does not have air superiority over Ukraine and they have relatively poor intelligence/recon, a lot of these tanks are just being sent to the slaughterhouse.
Absolutely. It would be like sending an aircraft carrier out on the ocean without the myriad of support and defensive ships around it to protect it. Which was exactly my point about needing infantry around the tanks to protect them. You're correct on air support too.
I can't tell if that is good or bad. Are these new Russian tanks or tanks going to support Ukraine?
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It’s still being done to drive an agenda. Agree it is a well-deserved honor though.
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Lavrov and the average Republican congressman have a lot in common it seems.
People give Putin a hard time, and not enough credit for solving Russia's overcrowding of its prison system, which allows deadbeats to have honorable deaths to atone for their crimes of exercising free speech and freedom of assembly. Okay, I made that last part up, but it is probably true in some cases.
www.yahoo.com
Heavy fighting in Luhansk Oblast, Russians throw conscripts and convicts into battle
Serhii Haidai, Head of the Luhansk Oblast Military Administration, has reported heavy fighting in Luhansk Oblast, where the occupiers had brought in their reserves. Source: Press service of Luhansk Oblast Military Administration Quote Gaidai: "The liberation of every metre of Luhansk Oblast...
My december allergies are kicking up after watching that.
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For the countdown, by my calcs, we need 403 per day for 100K on christmas morning, and 302 per day for 100K on new year's eve.
Yep
THAT needs to be part of ANY "negotiation". If Russia will not return stolen children/citizens, then they will be eradicated from the planet via Ukraine battlefield actions and worldwide sanctions.
These are Russia's best tank but per this even they are struggling in Ukraine.
"Despite its on-paper advantages and promotion in Russian media as being the best in the world, Russian T-90s have run into serious issues in Ukraine. Russia has reportedly lost 20 "Vladimirs" in Ukraine to date according to the open-source blog Oryx, as well as two T-90Ms."
In fact, Russia appears to have suffered its first T-90M loss shortly after the tanks began to appear in Ukraine in the spring.
While Russian media sources have pointed to the further delivery of T-90Ms to the Russian armed forces during the invasion as evidence of the resiliency of Russia's arms industry, the discovery of French optronic technology in a T-90 captured by Ukrainian forces raises questions about the durability of the supply chains which support T-90 production.
Although the T-90 has not lived up to much of its hype in Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the ever-distant arrival of the T-14 Armata to active service likely means that Russia will have no choice but to maintain its fleet of T-90s for the foreseeable future."
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-t90-tank-is-struggling-in-combat-in-ukraine-2022-8
Fair point. At least the agenda is overwhelmingly recognized as noble.
A new survey indicates that Americans’ support for Kiev is slipping. According to polling conducted by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, the number of citizens who want the White House to pursue a diplomatic path is nearly equal to those who advocate indefinite military aid to Ukraine.
The survey shows a declining number of Republicans who want to give military assistance to Kiev, carrying on a six-month trend. Global Affairs polling in March found that 80% of GOP-leaning respondents wanted the White House to arm Ukraine. That number declined to 64% in July, and was down to 55% in the latest poll released on Sunday. Democratic Party support has also dropped, though at a slower pace.
Additionally, the results show waning approval for the Joe Biden administration’s policy regarding the war in Ukraine. The US and its NATO partners have committed to providing the country with military aid for as long as it needs to win the war, all the while urging Kiev not to negotiate with Moscow.
However, the new polling indicates that only 48% of Americans agree with arming Ukraine indefinitely.
That figure is down by 10% since July, with the number of citizens urging for long-term military assistance now nearly equal to those who want Biden to push Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to talk with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin.
The vast majority of Americans continue to oppose direct involvement in the war. Only 32% of respondents said they want US troops deployed to Ukraine.
While some taxpayers may be growing tired of paying for massive aid shipments to Kiev, nearly three-quarters of people responding to the poll said they continue to back the Western economic war on Russia despite the impact sanctions might have, including skyrocketing inflation in the US and soaring fuel prices in Europe.
* * *
According to the "key findings" summary section from the survey:
The survey shows a declining number of Republicans who want to give military assistance to Kiev, carrying on a six-month trend. Global Affairs polling in March found that 80% of GOP-leaning respondents wanted the White House to arm Ukraine. That number declined to 64% in July, and was down to 55% in the latest poll released on Sunday. Democratic Party support has also dropped, though at a slower pace.
Additionally, the results show waning approval for the Joe Biden administration’s policy regarding the war in Ukraine. The US and its NATO partners have committed to providing the country with military aid for as long as it needs to win the war, all the while urging Kiev not to negotiate with Moscow.
However, the new polling indicates that only 48% of Americans agree with arming Ukraine indefinitely.
That figure is down by 10% since July, with the number of citizens urging for long-term military assistance now nearly equal to those who want Biden to push Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to talk with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin.
The vast majority of Americans continue to oppose direct involvement in the war. Only 32% of respondents said they want US troops deployed to Ukraine.
While some taxpayers may be growing tired of paying for massive aid shipments to Kiev, nearly three-quarters of people responding to the poll said they continue to back the Western economic war on Russia despite the impact sanctions might have, including skyrocketing inflation in the US and soaring fuel prices in Europe.
* * *
According to the "key findings" summary section from the survey:
- An equal percentage of Americans say Russia (26%) and Ukraine (26%) has the advantage in the current conflict. But a plurality (46%) believes that neither country has the advantage.
- Solid majorities of Americans continue to support supplying Ukraine with arms (65%) and economic aid (66%), accepting Ukrainian refugees (73%), and sanctioning Russia (75%).
- A plurality believes the United States should maintain its current level of support for Ukraine indefinitely (40%). Nearly three in 10 each say that the United States should intervene militarily to tip the advantage to Ukraine and end the war as soon as possible (27%)or that the United States should gradually withdraw support for Ukraine (29%).
- Separately, Americans are now closely divided on whether Washington should support Ukraine “as long as it takes” (48%, down from 58% in July 2022) or whether Washington should urge Ukraine to settle for peace as soon as possible (47%, up from 38% in July).
- Perceptions of who is winning have a great bearing on support for Kyiv.
Being 48, it is still absolutely bonkers to me that Republicans have the lowest support for aiding Ukraine in battling and destroying the troops and equipment of RUSSIA.A new survey indicates that Americans’ support for Kiev is slipping. According to polling conducted by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, the number of citizens who want the White House to pursue a diplomatic path is nearly equal to those who advocate indefinite military aid to Ukraine.
The survey shows a declining number of Republicans who want to give military assistance to Kiev, carrying on a six-month trend. Global Affairs polling in March found that 80% of GOP-leaning respondents wanted the White House to arm Ukraine. That number declined to 64% in July, and was down to 55% in the latest poll released on Sunday. Democratic Party support has also dropped, though at a slower pace.
Additionally, the results show waning approval for the Joe Biden administration’s policy regarding the war in Ukraine. The US and its NATO partners have committed to providing the country with military aid for as long as it needs to win the war, all the while urging Kiev not to negotiate with Moscow.
However, the new polling indicates that only 48% of Americans agree with arming Ukraine indefinitely.
That figure is down by 10% since July, with the number of citizens urging for long-term military assistance now nearly equal to those who want Biden to push Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to talk with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin.
The vast majority of Americans continue to oppose direct involvement in the war. Only 32% of respondents said they want US troops deployed to Ukraine.
While some taxpayers may be growing tired of paying for massive aid shipments to Kiev, nearly three-quarters of people responding to the poll said they continue to back the Western economic war on Russia despite the impact sanctions might have, including skyrocketing inflation in the US and soaring fuel prices in Europe.
* * *
According to the "key findings" summary section from the survey:
- An equal percentage of Americans say Russia (26%) and Ukraine (26%) has the advantage in the current conflict. But a plurality (46%) believes that neither country has the advantage.
- Solid majorities of Americans continue to support supplying Ukraine with arms (65%) and economic aid (66%), accepting Ukrainian refugees (73%), and sanctioning Russia (75%).
- A plurality believes the United States should maintain its current level of support for Ukraine indefinitely (40%). Nearly three in 10 each say that the United States should intervene militarily to tip the advantage to Ukraine and end the war as soon as possible (27%)or that the United States should gradually withdraw support for Ukraine (29%).
- Separately, Americans are now closely divided on whether Washington should support Ukraine “as long as it takes” (48%, down from 58% in July 2022) or whether Washington should urge Ukraine to settle for peace as soon as possible (47%, up from 38% in July).
- Perceptions of who is winning have a great bearing on support for Kyiv.
As already noted - destroying the military capabilities of an adversary for a VERY SMALL FRACTION of our defense budget.
It is an utter bargain.
And this is not some hypothetical adversary. It is the only adversary to conduct land wars in Europe in the 21st century, while committing thousands of war crimes in the process. Russia is what every movie in 1980s portrayed it to be.
Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all—religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and, at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that in the course of time and things the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it? Can it be, that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?
In the execution of such a plan nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations and passionate attachments for others should be excluded and that in place of them just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times, it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations has been the victim.
The idea that we have to be enemies with Iran forever because we were enemies with them when I was a kid is sad.
I had hoped my kids would grow up without living in a Cold War, but it seems we'll have no such luck.
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