This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

[Joes Place]

Putin Is Preparing to Flee When Russia Implodes, Ex-Aide Says

Sputnik via ReutersRussia’s Vladimir Putin and his cronies already have a plan in place to flee the country once things go sideways, a former aide to the Russian president has claimed.Abbas Gallyamov, a former speechwriter for Putin, made the astounding claim on Telegram early Wednesday, citing...

www.yahoo.com

Shoot the plane down.

 

[seminole97]

Putin Is Preparing to Flee When Russia Implodes, Ex-Aide Says

Sputnik via ReutersRussia’s Vladimir Putin and his cronies already have a plan in place to flee the country once things go sideways, a former aide to the Russian president has claimed.Abbas Gallyamov, a former speechwriter for Putin, made the astounding claim on Telegram early Wednesday, citing...

www.yahoo.com

Where would he go? Some gulf monarchy? Elba?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Where would he go? Some gulf monarchy? Elba?

NK....hang out with lil Kim. Seriously...that's the only possible landing spot if he doesn't want to get capped or extradited.

China ain't taking on that baggage...he's dead weight as soon as he's out of power.

 

[bhawk24bob]

Putin Is Preparing to Flee When Russia Implodes, Ex-Aide Says

Sputnik via ReutersRussia’s Vladimir Putin and his cronies already have a plan in place to flee the country once things go sideways, a former aide to the Russian president has claimed.Abbas Gallyamov, a former speechwriter for Putin, made the astounding claim on Telegram early Wednesday, citing...

www.yahoo.com

He should be pretty easy to identify by being the short dude falling down the steps while crapping his pants

 

[win4jj]

Where would he go? Some gulf monarchy? Elba?

Your basement??

 

[billanole]

He should be pretty easy to identify by being the short dude falling down the steps while crapping his pants

Tall dudes would shield him…

 

[Bonerfarts]

Where would he go? Some gulf monarchy? Elba?

You can always just read the article.

 

[seminole97]

Your basement??

Yes. Like the Alamo, most Florida homes have a basement.

 

[seminole97]

You can always just read the article.

Fair enough, but doesn't allow for the Elba joke.

Putin’s inner circle first considered a plan to evacuate to China, Gallyamov said, but later thought better of it, fearing the chances of “cooperation” from the Chinese were slim, especially since they despise “losers.” Now, he said, the focus has shifted to either Argentina or Venezuela, with Putin ally Igor Sechin currently overseeing an evacuation plan for the latter country.

I'm currently accepting all bets from those who think Putin will relocate to South America.

 

[h-hawk]

A song by Wham! is appropriate alright,

 

[win4jj]

Yes. Like the Alamo, most Florida homes have a basement.

Well there you go. You’re off the hook.

 

[Tenacious E]

A song by Wham! is appropriate alright,

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If they are taking suggestions, for the next drone dropping a grenade into a foxhole of sleeping orcs, I suggest Wake me up before you go-go.

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[h-hawk]

"Polish branch of the International Legions already at the front. Wojtek uploaded a short video from his GoPro, which shows how an artillery shell hit close to their position."

 

[h-hawk]

 

[h-hawk]

FWIW
"Reprisals against civilians in Donetsk: The moment of the death of the deputy of the parliament of the DPR Maria Pirogova filmed Yesterday, the armed forces of #Ukraine delivered one of the biggest attacks against #Donetsk . Dozens of civilians were killed and injured."

 

[cfbfan23]

FWIW
"Reprisals against civilians in Donetsk: The moment of the death of the deputy of the parliament of the DPR Maria Pirogova filmed Yesterday, the armed forces of #Ukraine delivered one of the biggest attacks against #Donetsk . Dozens of civilians were killed and injured."

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This was her:

 

[Tenacious E]

This was her:

So Kirstie Allie had herself cloned?

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all—religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and, at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that in the course of time and things the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it? Can it be, that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?
In the execution of such a plan nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations and passionate attachments for others should be excluded and that in place of them just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times, it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations has been the victim.



The idea that we have to be enemies with Iran forever because we were enemies with them when I was a kid is sad.
I had hoped my kids would grow up without living in a Cold War, but it seems we'll have no such luck.

Ok, but maybe Russia shouldn’t invade a neighboring country and fire rockets blindly into apartment building and power plants?

 

[cfbfan23]

So Kirstie Allie had herself cloned?

I can see a little bit of Kirstie. Certainly in the eyebrows.

I can also see a little bit of Kate Upton.....in the face.

 

[Tenacious E]

Ok, but maybe Russia shouldn’t invade a neighboring country and fire rockets blindly into apartment building and power plants?

Wait, so a Russian troll is invoking a speech of George Washington arguing that we shouldn't harbor hatred for Iran and Russia? The only habitual things about them is their penchant for invading other countries, committing war crimes, and committing human rights abuses.

 

[Tenacious E]

I can see a little bit of Kirstie. Certainly in the eyebrows.

I can also see a little bit of Kate Upton.....in the face.

Solid work!

 

[h-hawk]

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Wait, so a Russian troll is invoking a speech of George Washington arguing that we shouldn't harbor hatred for Iran and Russia? The only habitual things about them is their penchant for invading other countries, committing war crimes, and committing human rights abuses.

Yeah, I thought that was a very strange take.

 

[h-hawk]

Paint-balls?

 

[seminole97]

Wait, so a Russian troll is invoking a speech of George Washington arguing that we shouldn't harbor hatred for Iran and Russia? The only habitual things about them is their penchant for invading other countries, committing war crimes, and committing human rights abuses.

We shouldn’t harbor permanent hatred of any nations, for the reasons detailed.

I don’t think we’d be better off forever hating Japan, Germany, England, or anyone else we’ve been at odds with in our history. That’s just dumb.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Paint-balls?

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Russians are crazy, and apparently terrible shots.

 

[Tenacious E]

Russians are crazy, and apparently terrible shots.

Stormtroopers in waiting.

 

[seminole97]

Ok, but maybe Russia shouldn’t invade a neighboring country and fire rockets blindly into apartment building and power plants?

Do you think taking out a nation’s civilian power grid is a war crime?

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Do you think taking out a nation’s civilian power grid is a war crime?

Not necessarily, but why start the war in the first place?

Nobody here is claiming we should hate Russia or Iran permanently. Your point was founded on a faulty premise.

 

[noleclone2]

A new survey indicates that Americans’ support for Kiev is slipping. According to polling conducted by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, the number of citizens who want the White House to pursue a diplomatic path is nearly equal to those who advocate indefinite military aid to Ukraine.

The survey shows a declining number of Republicans who want to give military assistance to Kiev, carrying on a six-month trend. Global Affairs polling in March found that 80% of GOP-leaning respondents wanted the White House to arm Ukraine. That number declined to 64% in July, and was down to 55% in the latest poll released on Sunday. Democratic Party support has also dropped, though at a slower pace.




Additionally, the results show waning approval for the Joe Biden administration’s policy regarding the war in Ukraine. The US and its NATO partners have committed to providing the country with military aid for as long as it needs to win the war, all the while urging Kiev not to negotiate with Moscow.

However, the new polling indicates that only 48% of Americans agree with arming Ukraine indefinitely.

That figure is down by 10% since July, with the number of citizens urging for long-term military assistance now nearly equal to those who want Biden to push Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to talk with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin.

The vast majority of Americans continue to oppose direct involvement in the war. Only 32% of respondents said they want US troops deployed to Ukraine.



While some taxpayers may be growing tired of paying for massive aid shipments to Kiev, nearly three-quarters of people responding to the poll said they continue to back the Western economic war on Russia despite the impact sanctions might have, including skyrocketing inflation in the US and soaring fuel prices in Europe.

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According to the "key findings" summary section from the survey:

• An equal percentage of Americans say Russia (26%) and Ukraine (26%) has the advantage in the current conflict. But a plurality (46%) believes that neither country has the advantage.
• Solid majorities of Americans continue to support supplying Ukraine with arms (65%) and economic aid (66%), accepting Ukrainian refugees (73%), and sanctioning Russia (75%).
• A plurality believes the United States should maintain its current level of support for Ukraine indefinitely (40%). Nearly three in 10 each say that the United States should intervene militarily to tip the advantage to Ukraine and end the war as soon as possible (27%)or that the United States should gradually withdraw support for Ukraine (29%).
• Separately, Americans are now closely divided on whether Washington should support Ukraine “as long as it takes” (48%, down from 58% in July 2022) or whether Washington should urge Ukraine to settle for peace as soon as possible (47%, up from 38% in July).
• Perceptions of who is winning have a great bearing on support for Kyiv.

Those ****ing Neo Dems

 

[Tenacious E]

Do you think taking out a nation’s civilian power grid is a war crime?

Do you not?

 

[Tenacious E]

We shouldn’t harbor permanent hatred of any nations, for the reasons detailed.

I don’t think we’d be better off forever hating Japan, Germany, England, or anyone else we’ve been at odds with in our history. That’s just dumb.

I didn’t use the word permanent.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Do you not?

Besides that, RUSSIA started this current conflict. We can hate them temporarily and still open the door to Maria Sharapova and Anna Kournikova when they come knocking for a sleepover.

 

[seminole97]

Not necessarily, but why start the war in the first place?

We’ve gone through why I think the Russians started this war before.

Nobody here is claiming we should hate Russia or Iran permanently. Your point was founded on a faulty premise.

I didn’t use the word permanent.

“Being 48, it is still absolutely bonkers to me that Republicans have the lowest support for aiding Ukraine in battling and destroying the troops and equipment of RUSSIA.”

I’m 47. Me and other military brats were playing army in real bomb craters left from WW2 in the woods outside our off base (Rhein-Main) housing complex at Langen Terrace when Reagan was giving the ‘Evil Empire’ speech.
I still remember vividly watching the news with my dad as people were climbing on the Berlin Wall, and we talked about what different prospects could be held for our nation versus what we'd known our whole lives (he was born in '45).
How many decades should people our age be expected to hang communist antipathies on Russia/ns? The Cold War ended over half my life ago.
I'm decidedly of the George Washington - John Quincy Adams school on foreign relations. Hence my frustration that since the end of the Cold War the neocons have plunged on a crusade in the middle east, and it seems like they're trying to stroke the public for a crusade in eastern Europe. I'll always feel this nation has better priorities than thrusting ourselves into what JQA characterized as 'for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.'

We could find wars around the globe to be in the rest of our lives, if that's what we really want our country to do.
It's not what I want our country to do, for the reasons he put in that Independence Day speech.

I mean wouldn't you rather have less national debt than the collective memory of our Middle East interventions for the last 30 years?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Before the snows come the rains, which fill the trenches snaking through the shattered landscape with water: cold water that in some places laps the tops of boots and leaves soldiers' feet wet, freezing -- and without care, potentially gangrenous.

And then the ground freezes, which means it's harder to dig the trenches in the first place.

Winter has come finally to Russia's nearly 10-month-old invasion of Ukraine, with the most ferocious fighting shifting from the south to the eastern Donbas region, where Russian troops are pummeling the city of Bakhmut and Ukrainian forces are trying to consolidate their gains further to the north.

What's new at this stage in the war is cold: freezing temperatures inflict misery on troops, mechanical grief on gears and vehicles, and torpor on movement and strategy. For military observers, it's an open question whether the cold will freeze the conflict until the spring, or whether one side will be able to take advantage.

But even if the Ukrainians do manage to seize the initiative, or the Russians make additional gains, the ground war will remain a source of misery for soldiers on both sides for months.

"It does suck, it's just going to be cold and wet, and there's no doubt about it," said Ben Hodges, a retired U.S. Army general who commanded U.S. forces in Europe between 2014 and 2018. "Weather is weather, dirt is dirt. There's not much you can do with that, even with technology," he told RFE/RL.

"But it will be much worse for the Russians than the Ukrainians," he said. "I say that from a material standpoint; Russians, newly mobilized soldiers who are not properly equipped, not joining cohesive units, no leadership."

Trench Toil

Snow is already blanketing swaths of northeastern and eastern Ukraine, where the Donbas is located, and temperatures have hovered below freezing for much of the country as well.

Repeated Russian missile fusillades have destroyed much of the country's electricity and heating infrastructure, leaving millions in cities and towns struggling to stay warm, plug in their phones, or simply flush their toilets.


Rest of the article...

Winter Soldier, Winter Misery: Will Cold Weather Hand An Advantage To Ukraine? Or Russia?

Nearly 10 months in, Russia's invasion of Ukraine is now shifting to yet another phase: winter, with the misery it inflicts on troops and the difficulties it inflicts on weaponry. So, what will change in frigid conditions -- and which side will have the advantage?

www.rferl.org

 

[seminole97]

Do you not?

So Bill Clinton is a war criminal?
Would you try the pilots too for following orders?

I'm not sure it fits the bill (or Bill), myself.

BRUSSELS, Belgium -- NATO broadened the scope of its air strikes on Monday and attacked Yugoslavia's electrical system, crossing a threshold in the 40-day campaign in a bombing that had an immediate and widespread effect on the Yugoslav people.
NATO planes have attacked bridges, oil refineries and other targets in raids that have affected civilians. But until Monday they had refrained from striking the electrical system. The alliance has repeatedly insisted its fight is with President Slobodan Milosevic, not with the Yugoslav people.
"The fact that lights went out across 70 percent of the country shows that NATO has its finger on the light switch now," said NATO spokesman Jamie Shea. "We can turn the power off whenever we need to and whenever we want to."


When you can remember Serbia, the traditional Russian ally that was the spark of WW1, got their shit pushed in by NATO you can recognize why the Russian people can easily be sold on the idea that NATO is a threat.

 

[Tenacious E]

So Bill Clinton is a war criminal?
Would you try the pilots too for following orders?

I'm not sure it fits the bill (or Bill), myself.

BRUSSELS, Belgium -- NATO broadened the scope of its air strikes on Monday and attacked Yugoslavia's electrical system, crossing a threshold in the 40-day campaign in a bombing that had an immediate and widespread effect on the Yugoslav people.
NATO planes have attacked bridges, oil refineries and other targets in raids that have affected civilians. But until Monday they had refrained from striking the electrical system. The alliance has repeatedly insisted its fight is with President Slobodan Milosevic, not with the Yugoslav people.
"The fact that lights went out across 70 percent of the country shows that NATO has its finger on the light switch now," said NATO spokesman Jamie Shea. "We can turn the power off whenever we need to and whenever we want to."


When you can remember Serbia, the traditional Russian ally that was the spark of WW1, got their shit pushed in by NATO you can recognize why the Russian people can easily be sold on the idea that NATO is a threat.

Research indicates that bombing took place on Tuesday, May 24, 1999, with Summer yet to begin, limited to the Belgrade area, with the intent to knock out power for weeks, and not years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/balkans/stories/belgrade052599.htm

In contrast, Russia is striking in November and December with winter looming, with the admitted goal of freezing an entire nation.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Interesting article on bombing infrastructure and war crimes

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/attacking-power-infrastructure-under-international-humanitarian-law/

 

[h-hawk]

More on those T90s.

 

[h-hawk]