That’s reasonable….if reporting on Russian casualties is accurate.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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The part of the equation thats alway missing is this….
(Ukraine "also continues to suffer a high attrition rate", the UK said.)
We have no accurate data on this front. Makes it almost impossible for us armchair quarterbacks to get a real read of the situation.
Russian soldier death rate highest since first week of war - Ukraine - BBC News
Unverified Ukrainian data shows 824 dying per day - the UK says the trends are "likely accurate".www.bbc.com
Yeah, data around Ukrainian losses is scant. General Milley believes dead and wounded is in excess of 100k for each side, probably more. Official Ukrainian stats report significantly less.
I do think it's a distinct possibility that Russia simply overruns Ukraine with sheer volume of troops and weapons. That's why Russian military assets have to be degraded now.
Estimated number of killed and wounded Russian troops: Ukraine War in Data
Week 49: New estimates suggest a staggering toll as the war nears its one-year mark.
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We need to be getting stuff to the Ukrainians as fast as possible for sure…Yeah, data around Ukrainian losses is scant. General Milley believes dead and wounded is in excess of 100k for each side, probably more. Official Ukrainian stats report significantly less.
I do think it's a distinct possibility that Russia simply overruns Ukraine with sheer volume of troops and weapons. That's why Russian military assets have to be degraded now.
Estimated number of killed and wounded Russian troops: Ukraine War in Data
Week 49: New estimates suggest a staggering toll as the war nears its one-year mark.
Going to disagree here. There is a very clear difference between the tone of the citizens, government officials, and allied countries that shows exactly who is clearly winning this war and who is closer to giving up.The part of the equation thats alway missing is this….
(Ukraine "also continues to suffer a high attrition rate", the UK said.)
We have no accurate data on this front. Makes it almost impossible for us armchair quarterbacks to get a real read of the situation.
Russian soldier death rate highest since first week of war - Ukraine - BBC News
Unverified Ukrainian data shows 824 dying per day - the UK says the trends are "likely accurate".
One can tell from the way unhinged Russian Propagandists and government officials alike speak, the overall increased videos coming out of demoralized troops, the contrast of the citizens passion, and actions and size of each sides international weapons and economic support their is a very very clear winner right now.
I’m just talking overall military casualty figures. Pretty mum on the Ukrainian front. (For good reason)
Ukraine engages in propaganda as well…every country at war does. I think Ukraine is much better at it than the Russians FWIW.
I can’t find it but already they are showing some clips of the physical and mentally damaged veterans of war. Going to be so many never same even if they make it home. This compares to NAM to me and our guys were messed up. They are nearing three times what we lost in that war in 12 months vs 10 years for perspective. Heck look at our aftermath from Afghanistan and Iraq and they are suffering those losses WEEKLY
The ole boy is speeka da trute.
Russia has been stoned across the field of battle, lost markets for their commodities, wasted a generation (or more) of population, pushed their educated and motivated young out of the country, caused an environmental disaster of unknown consequences, and exposed their leadership as thugs and criminals.
How does this crap still happen in the 2020’s?
I think it is pretty clear here as well that it is not insignificant and costly but not even close to the Russian numbers. They are better trained, equipped, organized and playing defense in their own land. I would bet they are at 25-30 percent of Russia. Worth noting they almost have a 1/3 the population of Russia too, anre demographic wise younger, and are going to fight to last man.
I would not be a good Russian soldier. I’d be walking around with my eyes to the sky 24/7.
I would be slinking away to the side path when opportunity presented waving white cloth
Sux, highly.
To hear of so many who will suffer from these effects for the rest of their lives…
Fook pootie. He is acewhole.
The front is 1000 miles long, sure they can concentrate some things, but we simply have not provided enough launchers and rockets to cover that distance effectively. And, they undoubtedly have some back for maintenance at any given time, some have been lost by now, and, some are probably sitting north of Kiev holding in reserve in case Russia does make an advance from Belarus.
Attacking, or running away? This is supportive of the higher Russian death totals, though. It shows disorganization, obviously. And, this literally may be what the Russians are doing. Forcing conscripts into the front via officers with guns behind them. Run forward and maybe you get shot, or run backwards and get shot for sure.
And, the wounded that turn into KIA? What percentage on each side survives? I have to believe the Russian side suffers a higher rate. The West is pouring in non combat aid, and it's actually from this century versus the Cold War era bandages the Russians are using.The part of the equation thats alway missing is this….
(Ukraine "also continues to suffer a high attrition rate", the UK said.)
We have no accurate data on this front. Makes it almost impossible for us armchair quarterbacks to get a real read of the situation.
Russian soldier death rate highest since first week of war - Ukraine - BBC News
Unverified Ukrainian data shows 824 dying per day - the UK says the trends are "likely accurate".
Seems odd that they are now publicly giving aid. I'm just glad that they haven't stopped selling us ammunition. As I have read, Pakistan's munitions industry has been a major conduit for Western aid to supply artillery rounds.
I agree but I have a feeling the numbers aren’t as skewed as we’d like to think.
There’s a reason the lines have been stagnant for 3 months and there was no Ukrainian winter offensive.
After Kherson that was all the talk in November/December.
It is a possibility that Ukraine's figure of Russian KIA are not accurate. Especially if any aspect the success of Ukrainian operations is measured by body count. But the reports of non-personnel Russian losses seem in line with reality, so I tend to believe that the KIA is at least in the ballpark.
@binsfeldcyhawk2
CNN story up today where they interview several Wagner "soldiers", who were captured by the Ukrainians.
There is some good insight as to why the Russian KIA count surge might be legit. This is not a well functioning army. Good comments about who is being recruited, their training, their performance on the battle field, what happens if they are injured, or don't want to fight.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/12/europe/wagner-convicts-eastern-ukraine-pleitgen-intl/index.html
CNN story up today where they interview several Wagner "soldiers", who were captured by the Ukrainians.
There is some good insight as to why the Russian KIA count surge might be legit. This is not a well functioning army. Good comments about who is being recruited, their training, their performance on the battle field, what happens if they are injured, or don't want to fight.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/12/europe/wagner-convicts-eastern-ukraine-pleitgen-intl/index.html
Special stripe for identification for this offensive maybe.
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Most of what he said is pretty accurate. He’s more rational than most of the Russian “analysts” I’ve seen.
I also think that Ukrainian propaganda is far more likely to be boosted by western media than Russian propaganda. Not that I have any problems with that.
I think it is the opposite on the nightly news programs-they are parroting Russian claims of advances and believing the numbers of Russian troops they claim to have in the field now. Irritates me
