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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

CNN)Russian troops will have "open road" to capture key cities in eastern Ukraine if they seize control of Bakhmut, President Volodymyr Zelensky warned in an interview with CNN, as he defended his decision to keep Ukrainian forces in the besieged city.

"This is tactical for us," Zelensky said, insisting that Kyiv's military brass is united in prolonging its defense of the city after weeks of Russian attacks left it on the cusp of falling to Moscow's troops.

"We understand that after Bakhmut they could go further. They could go to Kramatorsk, they could go to Sloviansk, it would be open road for the Russians after Bakhmut to other towns in Ukraine, in the Donetsk direction," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer in an exclusive interview from Kyiv. "That's why our guys are standing there."

 
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CNN)Russian troops will have "open road" to capture key cities in eastern Ukraine if they seize control of Bakhmut, President Volodymyr Zelensky warned in an interview with CNN, as he defended his decision to keep Ukrainian forces in the besieged city.

"This is tactical for us," Zelensky said, insisting that Kyiv's military brass is united in prolonging its defense of the city after weeks of Russian attacks left it on the cusp of falling to Moscow's troops.

"We understand that after Bakhmut they could go further. They could go to Kramatorsk, they could go to Sloviansk, it would be open road for the Russians after Bakhmut to other towns in Ukraine, in the Donetsk direction," he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer in an exclusive interview from Kyiv. "That's why our guys are standing there."

Honest response. If the road were open could the Russians do anything about it? What kind of a sustained offensive could they muster? With what?
 
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(Footage of tanks blasting away in cities exists from way back in WW2.)

"A (Ukrainian( Tank clearing positions in (Russian) Bakhmut. An unusual scene, since the use of these means had not been seen until now, used in urban combat."

 
Honest response. If the road were open could the Russians do anything about it? What kind of a sustained offensive could they muster? With what?
I think they could gain some ground but at this point it wouldn’t be very sustained nor a breakthrough. I think Zelensky’s comments are probably more for public consumption….than an actual worry the Russkies are gonna make a massive breakthrough…
 
(Footage of tanks blasting away in cities exists from way back in WW2.)

"A (Ukrainian( Tank clearing positions in (Russian) Bakhmut. An unusual scene, since the use of these means had not been seen until now, used in urban combat."

This is like the beginning of the war but in reverse, and the buildings contain Russian invaders and not innocent women and children.
 
Near Bakhmut, Ukraine — Russia's Minister of Defense gave some indication Tuesday as to why his country has been willing to throw so many soldiers at the grueling battle to capture the small industrial city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine. Sergei Shoigu said capturing the town would enable Russian forces to push further into Ukraine, taking more ground in the Donbas region that Russian President Vladimir Putin has appeared desperate to seize in its entirety.

The Ukrainian forces battling street-to-street to hold onto the city are surrounded on three sides, but they have refused to back down. Some of the troops who've held that front line have told CBS News they can't understand why Russia has been willing to sacrifice so many lives, but it has not weakened their resolve.

Shoigu said Tuesday that taking Bakhmut was essential to Russia's "further offensive" in the Donbas. That acknowledgement may bolster Ukraine's commitment to prevent that from happening.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Monday night that his military commanders had informed him they were not ready to give up, and he and other senior leaders "unanimously supported this position."

"I told the commander in chief to find the appropriate forces to help our guys in Bakhmut," Zelenskyy said.

And those guys will welcome any help they can get.

Ukrainian forces brought our team to a vital lookout point only about a mile and a half from the decimated center of Bakhmut. We were close enough to see smoke rising from the ruins. From the secret vantage point, Ukrainian soldier Izhak has kept a close eye on Russian positions in the near distance.

"Our biggest fear is artillery," he said, "because it can hit us at any time. You don't know when, where, or how."


 
It really seems Ukraine strategy has been to rope a dope and defend and let the Russian Army and Wagner keep making mistakes and grind the remainder of their respective armies to paste. You can really start to “hear it” in their military bloggers and telegraph and even some of the propagandists.

If true and they are as depleted and worn down as I suspect, the counter offensive to the south may be very very dramatic. Like France being liberated in WWII dramatic as front collapses under surrender and retreat.

The only hope Russia had was regrouping all winter and then playing defense themselves in spring. Such a colossal fail from start to finish, across all levels. This is what happens when you follow a madman who has so many people terrified to tell him he is wrong.
I am with you and may be too optimistic but think when the end comes for Russia in Ukraine, it may be much quicker than most would expect. Russian bloggers love to talk about "cauldrons" even though they have not managed a single one. Maybe they will soon see some that are not to their liking:)
 
Near Bakhmut, Ukraine — Russia's Minister of Defense gave some indication Tuesday as to why his country has been willing to throw so many soldiers at the grueling battle to capture the small industrial city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine. Sergei Shoigu said capturing the town would enable Russian forces to push further into Ukraine, taking more ground in the Donbas region that Russian President Vladimir Putin has appeared desperate to seize in its entirety.

The Ukrainian forces battling street-to-street to hold onto the city are surrounded on three sides, but they have refused to back down. Some of the troops who've held that front line have told CBS News they can't understand why Russia has been willing to sacrifice so many lives, but it has not weakened their resolve.

Shoigu said Tuesday that taking Bakhmut was essential to Russia's "further offensive" in the Donbas. That acknowledgement may bolster Ukraine's commitment to prevent that from happening.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Monday night that his military commanders had informed him they were not ready to give up, and he and other senior leaders "unanimously supported this position."

"I told the commander in chief to find the appropriate forces to help our guys in Bakhmut," Zelenskyy said.

And those guys will welcome any help they can get.

Ukrainian forces brought our team to a vital lookout point only about a mile and a half from the decimated center of Bakhmut. We were close enough to see smoke rising from the ruins. From the secret vantage point, Ukrainian soldier Izhak has kept a close eye on Russian positions in the near distance.

"Our biggest fear is artillery," he said, "because it can hit us at any time. You don't know when, where, or how."



Near Bakhmut, Ukraine — Russia's Minister of Defense gave some indication Tuesday as to why his country has been willing to throw so many soldiers at the grueling battle to capture the small industrial city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine. Sergei Shoigu said capturing the town would enable Russian forces to push further into Ukraine, taking more ground in the Donbas region that Russian President Vladimir Putin has appeared desperate to seize in its entirety.

The Ukrainian forces battling street-to-street to hold onto the city are surrounded on three sides, but they have refused to back down. Some of the troops who've held that front line have told CBS News they can't understand why Russia has been willing to sacrifice so many lives, but it has not weakened their resolve.

Shoigu said Tuesday that taking Bakhmut was essential to Russia's "further offensive" in the Donbas. That acknowledgement may bolster Ukraine's commitment to prevent that from happening.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Monday night that his military commanders had informed him they were not ready to give up, and he and other senior leaders "unanimously supported this position."

"I told the commander in chief to find the appropriate forces to help our guys in Bakhmut," Zelenskyy said.

And those guys will welcome any help they can get.

Ukrainian forces brought our team to a vital lookout point only about a mile and a half from the decimated center of Bakhmut. We were close enough to see smoke rising from the ruins. From the secret vantage point, Ukrainian soldier Izhak has kept a close eye on Russian positions in the near distance.

"Our biggest fear is artillery," he said, "because it can hit us at any time. You don't know when, where, or how."


The whole Bakhmut thing is perplexing. Last week seemed like Ukraine was going to retreat now Wagner says they are in trouble.

Both sides keep talking about how critical it is, but the commentators I've heard all westerners don't see it as critical. From what I could gather Ukraine could retreat and defend and Russia wouldn't gain any significant logistical advantage by taking Bakhmut.
 
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