Perhaps reinforcing rumors we have already seen.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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An unknown unmanned aerial vehicle attacked an oil depot in the city of Rovenky, Luhansk Region, occupied by Russian troops.
This was reported by the Russian mass media and Ukrainian journalist Denys Kazanskyi.
According to the Russian mass media, a fire broke out early this morning at the Rovenkiv Oil Base enterprise.
The fire was so intense that the occupiers had to call firefighters from nearby settlements to put it out.
It is reported that the cause of the fire was an attack by an alleged Ukrainian drone.
Ukrainian journalist Denys Kazanskyi said that as a result of the fire in Rovenky, several tanks with diesel fuel burned.
Rovenky is a city south of the Luhansk region, approximately 60 kilometers from the border with the Russian Federation. Since May 2014, the settlement has been controlled by the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic.
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As the Ukrainian News agency earlier reported, on the morning of April 24, explosions and sounds of gunfire were heard in occupied Sevastopol. The occupiers announced that they allegedly repulsed an attack by surface drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU).
Local residents discovered an unmanned aerial vehicle filled with 17 kilograms of explosives near Moscow."
The countdown is on ~20 days to 200,000.
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian military forces have successfully established positions on the eastern side of the Dnieper River, according to a new analysis, giving rise to speculation Sunday that the advances could be an early sign of Kyiv’s long-awaited spring counteroffensive.
The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, reported late Saturday that geolocated footage from pro-Kremlin military bloggers indicated that Ukrainian troops had established a foothold near the town of Oleshky, along with “stable supply lines” to their positions.
Analysts widely believe that if Ukraine goes ahead with a spring counteroffensive, a major goal would be to break through the land corridor between Russia and the annexed Crimean Peninsula, which would necessitate crossing the Dnieper River in the country’s south.
Responding to Ukrainian media reports proclaiming that the establishment of such positions indicated the counteroffensive had begun, Natalia Humeniuk, the spokeswoman for Ukraine’s Operational Command South, called for patience.
apnews.com
The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, reported late Saturday that geolocated footage from pro-Kremlin military bloggers indicated that Ukrainian troops had established a foothold near the town of Oleshky, along with “stable supply lines” to their positions.
Analysts widely believe that if Ukraine goes ahead with a spring counteroffensive, a major goal would be to break through the land corridor between Russia and the annexed Crimean Peninsula, which would necessitate crossing the Dnieper River in the country’s south.
Responding to Ukrainian media reports proclaiming that the establishment of such positions indicated the counteroffensive had begun, Natalia Humeniuk, the spokeswoman for Ukraine’s Operational Command South, called for patience.
Ukrainian troop positions spark counteroffensive speculation
A Washington-based think tank says that Ukrainian forces have successfully crossed the wide Dnieper river in the country's south to establish and maintain positions on its east bank. That prompted Ukrainian media on Sunday to hail the reported advances as an early sign of Kyiv's long-awaited...
apnews.com
On the Debbie Downer front....
The Biden administration is quietly preparing for the possibility that if Ukraine’s spring counteroffensive falls short of expectations, critics at home and allies abroad will argue that America has come up short, too.
Ukraine’s ever-imminent counteroffensive will attempt to retake Russian-seized territory most likely in the east and south, though for operational reasons no senior officials from Kyiv have detailed specifics.
Publicly, President Joe Biden’s team has offered unwavering support for Ukraine, pledging to load it up with weapons and economic aid for “as long as it takes.” But, if the impending fighting season yields limited gains, administration officials have expressed privately they fear being faced with a two-headed monster attacking it from the hawkish and dovish ends of the spectrum.
One side will say that Ukraine’s advances would’ve worked had the administration given Kyiv everything it asked for, namely longer-range missiles, fighter jets and more air defenses. The other side, administration officials worry, will claim Ukraine’s shortcoming proves it can’t force Russia out of its territory completely.
That doesn’t even account for the reaction of America’s allies, mainly in Europe, who may see a peace negotiation between Ukraine and Russia as a more attractive option if Kyiv can’t prove victory is around the corner.
Inside the administration, officials stress they’re doing everything possible to make the spring offensive succeed.
“We’ve nearly completed the requests of what [Ukraine] said they needed for the counteroffensive as we have surged weapons and equipment to Ukraine over the past few months,” said one administration official who, like others, was granted anonymity to discuss sensitive internal considerations.
But belief in the strategic cause is one thing. Belief in the tactics is another — and behind closed doors the administration is worried about what Ukraine can accomplish.
Those concerns recently spilled out into the open during a leak of classified information onto social media. A top secret assessment from early February stated that Ukraine would fall “well short” of its counteroffensive goals. More current American assessments are that Ukraine may make some progress in the south and east, but won’t be able to repeat last year’s success.
www.politico.com
Biden’s team fears the aftermath of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive
The Biden administration is quietly preparing for the possibility that if Ukraine’s spring counteroffensive falls short of expectations, critics at home and allies abroad will argue that America has come up short, too.
Ukraine’s ever-imminent counteroffensive will attempt to retake Russian-seized territory most likely in the east and south, though for operational reasons no senior officials from Kyiv have detailed specifics.
Publicly, President Joe Biden’s team has offered unwavering support for Ukraine, pledging to load it up with weapons and economic aid for “as long as it takes.” But, if the impending fighting season yields limited gains, administration officials have expressed privately they fear being faced with a two-headed monster attacking it from the hawkish and dovish ends of the spectrum.
One side will say that Ukraine’s advances would’ve worked had the administration given Kyiv everything it asked for, namely longer-range missiles, fighter jets and more air defenses. The other side, administration officials worry, will claim Ukraine’s shortcoming proves it can’t force Russia out of its territory completely.
That doesn’t even account for the reaction of America’s allies, mainly in Europe, who may see a peace negotiation between Ukraine and Russia as a more attractive option if Kyiv can’t prove victory is around the corner.
Inside the administration, officials stress they’re doing everything possible to make the spring offensive succeed.
“We’ve nearly completed the requests of what [Ukraine] said they needed for the counteroffensive as we have surged weapons and equipment to Ukraine over the past few months,” said one administration official who, like others, was granted anonymity to discuss sensitive internal considerations.
But belief in the strategic cause is one thing. Belief in the tactics is another — and behind closed doors the administration is worried about what Ukraine can accomplish.
Those concerns recently spilled out into the open during a leak of classified information onto social media. A top secret assessment from early February stated that Ukraine would fall “well short” of its counteroffensive goals. More current American assessments are that Ukraine may make some progress in the south and east, but won’t be able to repeat last year’s success.
Biden’s team fears the aftermath of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive
Behind closed doors, the administration worries about what Ukraine can accomplish.
www.politico.com
Men and equipment sure seems to be trending up again and I don't think it is because it is Russia on the offensive
On the Debbie Downer front....
Biden’s team fears the aftermath of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive
The Biden administration is quietly preparing for the possibility that if Ukraine’s spring counteroffensive falls short of expectations, critics at home and allies abroad will argue that America has come up short, too.
Ukraine’s ever-imminent counteroffensive will attempt to retake Russian-seized territory most likely in the east and south, though for operational reasons no senior officials from Kyiv have detailed specifics.
Publicly, President Joe Biden’s team has offered unwavering support for Ukraine, pledging to load it up with weapons and economic aid for “as long as it takes.” But, if the impending fighting season yields limited gains, administration officials have expressed privately they fear being faced with a two-headed monster attacking it from the hawkish and dovish ends of the spectrum.
One side will say that Ukraine’s advances would’ve worked had the administration given Kyiv everything it asked for, namely longer-range missiles, fighter jets and more air defenses. The other side, administration officials worry, will claim Ukraine’s shortcoming proves it can’t force Russia out of its territory completely.
That doesn’t even account for the reaction of America’s allies, mainly in Europe, who may see a peace negotiation between Ukraine and Russia as a more attractive option if Kyiv can’t prove victory is around the corner.
Inside the administration, officials stress they’re doing everything possible to make the spring offensive succeed.
“We’ve nearly completed the requests of what [Ukraine] said they needed for the counteroffensive as we have surged weapons and equipment to Ukraine over the past few months,” said one administration official who, like others, was granted anonymity to discuss sensitive internal considerations.
But belief in the strategic cause is one thing. Belief in the tactics is another — and behind closed doors the administration is worried about what Ukraine can accomplish.
Those concerns recently spilled out into the open during a leak of classified information onto social media. A top secret assessment from early February stated that Ukraine would fall “well short” of its counteroffensive goals. More current American assessments are that Ukraine may make some progress in the south and east, but won’t be able to repeat last year’s success.
Biden’s team fears the aftermath of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive
Behind closed doors, the administration worries about what Ukraine can accomplish.
I mean, don’t you have to plan for it?
Hope these ships sometimes have accidents
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Ignoring the propaganda and assuming this is true, I wonder if this is an attempt to delay reinforcements in that area. Thinking this may mean Russia will need reinforcement there for some reason.
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Sober, practical planning in the event things don't go perfectly. Seems smart to me.On the Debbie Downer front....
Biden’s team fears the aftermath of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive
The Biden administration is quietly preparing for the possibility that if Ukraine’s spring counteroffensive falls short of expectations, critics at home and allies abroad will argue that America has come up short, too.
Ukraine’s ever-imminent counteroffensive will attempt to retake Russian-seized territory most likely in the east and south, though for operational reasons no senior officials from Kyiv have detailed specifics.
Publicly, President Joe Biden’s team has offered unwavering support for Ukraine, pledging to load it up with weapons and economic aid for “as long as it takes.” But, if the impending fighting season yields limited gains, administration officials have expressed privately they fear being faced with a two-headed monster attacking it from the hawkish and dovish ends of the spectrum.
One side will say that Ukraine’s advances would’ve worked had the administration given Kyiv everything it asked for, namely longer-range missiles, fighter jets and more air defenses. The other side, administration officials worry, will claim Ukraine’s shortcoming proves it can’t force Russia out of its territory completely.
That doesn’t even account for the reaction of America’s allies, mainly in Europe, who may see a peace negotiation between Ukraine and Russia as a more attractive option if Kyiv can’t prove victory is around the corner.
Inside the administration, officials stress they’re doing everything possible to make the spring offensive succeed.
“We’ve nearly completed the requests of what [Ukraine] said they needed for the counteroffensive as we have surged weapons and equipment to Ukraine over the past few months,” said one administration official who, like others, was granted anonymity to discuss sensitive internal considerations.
But belief in the strategic cause is one thing. Belief in the tactics is another — and behind closed doors the administration is worried about what Ukraine can accomplish.
Those concerns recently spilled out into the open during a leak of classified information onto social media. A top secret assessment from early February stated that Ukraine would fall “well short” of its counteroffensive goals. More current American assessments are that Ukraine may make some progress in the south and east, but won’t be able to repeat last year’s success.
Biden’s team fears the aftermath of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive
Behind closed doors, the administration worries about what Ukraine can accomplish.
Not saying it isn't...if it fails there will be a lot of scrutiny directed towards NATO/US slow rolling some weapons deliveries or no deliveries in the case of aircraft etc.
Is that supposed to be your "daily dig" at the WH since their Ukraine strategy has been pretty good?
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Coordinates of those hotels and holiday resorts?
"Massive fire breaks out at factory in Volgoda, Russia A fire broke out in a woodworking factory in Russia today, devastating an area of 800 square meters."
The reasons for not providing Ukraine ATACMs and F-16s are not one and the same. I would not characterize our unwillingness to transfer F-16s as "disturbing." It has been noted by many that the F-16 is not suitable for the conditions existing in Ukraine. I am all for giving them jets, but they need to be able to be flown and maintained.
I think something like this is actually described in Voinovich's Moscow 2042.
Ukrainian officials planned 'mass strikes' on Moscow and other cities 'with everything' they had, but they stood down after US intervention: report
The Washington Post reports Ukraine's military intelligence chief had big plans for the anniversary of Putin's invasion but abruptly hit the brakes.
www.businessinsider.com
I'm glad this popped up again-they are keep track of the flow of weapons from the West.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/answering-call-heavy-weaponry-supplied.html
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/answering-call-heavy-weaponry-supplied.html
I mean, I get it, but...
We seem to have come some way from "In War, Resolution. In Victory, Magnanimity. In Defeat, Defiance. In Peace, Good Will." Not that we're either planning for or staring at Defeat here, but, Jeebus, buck up and show some spine, at least before the shooting starts. That's why they pay you the big bucks.
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It's a bit different calculus when you are in a proxy war.
Biden (or any American POTUS) can't go all Churchill when America ostensibly isn't really "in" the fight.
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That isn't many men, and they are untrained. I'd say it's either a rotation back to home ports in Russia because they are having systemic issues throughout their military and supply and support is getting harder for them outside of home waters. Hell, they might even be afraid of a mutiny. It's getting crazy inside Russia. With Putin sacking that admiral, maybe he had already started to view the navy as unreliable. Is anything really too far fetched to ponder these days?
"This is a visual overview of the publicly known Ukrainian spring offensive units. This formation is already more powerful than the operational forces of i.e. the British or French or German or Italian or Spanish Army... but this is not all what is heading to the front soon."
F-16s would be flashy and cool, but impractical. Maybe some leftover Mirages?
But, ATACMs, there is no argument to me on those. Get them there ASAP. Stop pissing around about them being used to target Belorussia, or targets in Russia. The Ukrainians are already hitting stuff in Russia occasionally. If we have to put a no Belorussian tag on them, fine, meter the flow, but get them in the pipeline.
