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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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That answered my question if they are telling the truth-I was wondering how something could get shot down this far South. And they are calling it an accident.
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"There are claims that a UK supplied Storm Shadow cruise missile may have been used to destroy the Russian base in Luhansk.
A correction. The building on fire in Luhansk was formerly used by "Polipaka" a manufacturing company for chemicals etc. It was now being used as "a supply point / repair base of the Russian army". That made it a high priority target"
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"The ADM-160B (MALD) is a low-cost modular air-launched programmable craft that accurately duplicates the combat flight profiles and signatures of US and allied combat aircraft. It is a flexible and modular system that has the potential to keep aviators and aircraft out of harm’s way. It is an expendable air-launched flight vehicle that looks like a U.S. or allied aircraft to enemy integrated air defense systems (IADS). The U.S. and its allies can confuse and deceive enemy IADS by sending a formation of MALDs into hostile airspace. After it is launched from its host aircraft, MALD flies a preprogrammed mission. In addition to protecting valuable aircraft, MALD offers counter air operations to neutralize air defense systems that pose a threat to U.S. and allied pilots. MALD-J is the jammer variant of the basic decoy, and the first ever stand-in jammer to enter production."
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This appears to be a big deal. So more info.
FWIW
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"Radio #RT of Russia has the first clip about the consequences of the attack on the mechanical repair factory. The Uka side said that the Building was used as the QS administrative center & could also be the residence of Russian soldiers."
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"Radio #RT of Russia has the first clip about the consequences of the attack on the mechanical repair factory. The Uka side said that the Building was used as the QS administrative center & could also be the residence of Russian soldiers."
Not any of the NATO members that feel the threat of Russian aggression. Hungary, sure. Turkey, maybe if Erdogan is still in power. The arc from the Baltics to Romania. The Nordic nations. The Brits, Dutch and French get it.
He'd end the war in 24 hours by rolling over and raising his hind leg to Putin.WSJ spells out how a vote for Trump is essentially a vote for Russia to win in Ukraine:
Donald Trump’s refusal to commit to aiding Ukraine’s fight against Russia’s invasion portends a stark choice for U.S. voters if the war is still raging in November 2024: The wide-ranging support for Kyiv under President Biden, or indifference to the winner of a conflict that has cost the U.S. and its allies tens of billions of dollars.
The former president, who is also the GOP’s leading contender to challenge Mr. Biden next year, also challenged the broadly unified support in the mainstream of the Republican Party for backing Ukraine, with some GOP lawmakers pushing the Biden administration to provide Kyiv with even more advanced and lethal weaponry.
Mr. Trump’s comments added to concerns in Europe that the war in Ukraine could grow polarized in U.S. domestic politics as the presidential race approaches, splitting voters and members of Congress down partisan lines. Kyiv’s allies said they feared U.S. support for Ukraine could fray.
Mr. Trump told a town hall event hosted by CNN on Wednesday that his priority would be to put a swift end to the war. He declined to say whether he wanted Ukraine to win the conflict, and called on Europe to put up more of the money keeping Kyiv in the fight. With tens of thousands of Russian troops occupying large swaths of southern and eastern Ukraine and the Crimean Peninsula, an imminent cease-fire would essentially hand a partial victory to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“Russians and Ukrainians, I want them to stop dying,” he said. “And I’ll have that done in 24 hours.”
Trump’s Indifference on Ukraine War Sets Stark Choice for U.S. Voters in 2024
Donald Trump’s remarks on Ukraine during a CNN town hall could portend a 2024 presidential election that is a choice between support for Kyiv under President Biden, or indifference to the outcome of the conflict.www.wsj.com
She is not a good dancer, but, I would make sexy time with her.
Training doesn't usually occur 30-50 miles from the front lines, does it?That answered my question if they are telling the truth-I was wondering how something could get shot down this far South. And they are calling it an accident.
Nah, the Ukrainians brought that thing down.
A point to the offensive, and to the stories about Ukraine building networks in the occupied areas, I can see them planting special forces, and saboteurs inside the occupied areas armed with short range anti aircraft missiles, ready to act when the offensive starts.
Just a note about the strike in Luhansk, and many of the strikes we've seen inside Russia and Russian controlled areas. How bad is their security? Look, people like to rubber neck in the US, but it's amazing to see people rolling right up on a building that was just hit by a missile. Wouldn't you immediately cordon off the area and effect rescue operations? Contain fires? The whole operation is grab ass in action.
And this is why even if trump got elected the war would not end. Western Europe is fully invested and I have faith that most of the countries mentioned would not allow Russia to win.
(And I imagine large scale resignations in the military if trump tried to let Russia win.)
Hopefully if the orange turd gets elected Europe’s MIC is cranked up by then.
"Vodolatsky went into a burning building to take a selfie for propaganda, where a brickwork fell on him Adventures of a degenerate deputy."
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Xi’s butt buddy Macron will press for a negotiated peace if it goes into this winter is my bet…
"New attack on #Lugansk by the Ukrainian regime, probably with British missiles. Yesterday they hit houses and an office, injuring 6 children." (Pretty lame attempt at propaganda.)
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We'll see...I suspect they will drag this out until it no longer makes any difference.
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Ukrainska Pravda
Fri, May 12, 2023 at 12:07 AM CDT·2 min read
The Commission of the Council of Cantons of the Federal Assembly, the upper house of the Swiss Parliament, has recommended easing export controls on Swiss military equipment, which could potentially benefit Ukraine in the future.
The commission, taking into account the country's long-standing policy of military neutrality, adopted proposals according to which, after a similar decision of the sister committee of the lower house of parliament in January, a corresponding draft law on the possible re-export of Swiss weapons to third countries under certain strict conditions can now be prepared.
Currently, Swiss neutrality prohibits the delivery of weapons directly to combat zones. This rule applies even if another country has bought the weapons from Switzerland. When purchasing, the buyer country must sign a so-called non-re-export declaration.
The committee's representatives decided that in the future, the Swiss government may sometimes limit the validity of such a declaration to five years.
However, certain conditions must be met. The country receiving the weapons must not seriously violate human rights. In addition, there must be no danger that military materials will be used against the civilian population.
The country should not be involved in an internal or international armed conflict. The only exception is if a country like Ukraine defends itself against aggression, in accordance with international law.
The UN must determine the last point: the re-export of Swiss weapons to a war zone is proposed to be allowed only if the UN General Assembly recognises such self-defence by a two-thirds majority or if the Security Council adopts a corresponding resolution.
Now, the Committee on the Security Policy of the National Council has to develop a corresponding draft law. It is uncertain whether Ukraine will get any real benefits from this decision. If the proposal passes the parliament, a referendum is possible, and the people will decide the fate of the re-export of Swiss weapons. This may take some time."
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Ukrainska Pravda
Fri, May 12, 2023 at 12:07 AM CDT·2 min read
The Commission of the Council of Cantons of the Federal Assembly, the upper house of the Swiss Parliament, has recommended easing export controls on Swiss military equipment, which could potentially benefit Ukraine in the future.
The commission, taking into account the country's long-standing policy of military neutrality, adopted proposals according to which, after a similar decision of the sister committee of the lower house of parliament in January, a corresponding draft law on the possible re-export of Swiss weapons to third countries under certain strict conditions can now be prepared.
Currently, Swiss neutrality prohibits the delivery of weapons directly to combat zones. This rule applies even if another country has bought the weapons from Switzerland. When purchasing, the buyer country must sign a so-called non-re-export declaration.
The committee's representatives decided that in the future, the Swiss government may sometimes limit the validity of such a declaration to five years.
However, certain conditions must be met. The country receiving the weapons must not seriously violate human rights. In addition, there must be no danger that military materials will be used against the civilian population.
The country should not be involved in an internal or international armed conflict. The only exception is if a country like Ukraine defends itself against aggression, in accordance with international law.
The UN must determine the last point: the re-export of Swiss weapons to a war zone is proposed to be allowed only if the UN General Assembly recognises such self-defence by a two-thirds majority or if the Security Council adopts a corresponding resolution.
Now, the Committee on the Security Policy of the National Council has to develop a corresponding draft law. It is uncertain whether Ukraine will get any real benefits from this decision. If the proposal passes the parliament, a referendum is possible, and the people will decide the fate of the re-export of Swiss weapons. This may take some time."
Swiss parliament passes new decision on re-export of weapons to Ukraine
The Commission of the Council of Cantons of the Federal Assembly, the upper house of the Swiss Parliament, has recommended easing export controls on Swiss military equipment, which could potentially benefit Ukraine in the future.
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