This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
- Thread starter Nole Lou
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Odds that this ‘Kosovo’ donation is just hand me down from Uncle Sam?
They are too deranged to give 2 shits. I wouldn't be surprised if they get more from their bum chums in N. Korea and Iran and Belarus.
Putin is going to need to die first.
Yeah. This is the worrying part: where are the lines drawn.
Russia has not treated supplying Ukraine as an act of war. But we've also been careful to limit the range of munitions we supply to Ukraine.
Now that Ukraine's drones are hitting deeper into Russia, I sure hope they aren't made with US parts.
I also worry about how Russia will respond if the new planes we intend to supply are being based and operated out of Poland, France or the Baltics. Poland has been mentioned in the news often in this context, but recently France and Estonia (I think) also made noises.
At what point might Russia treat those sorties as attacks by those nations, as opposed to mere supplies? Obviously our argument would be that they aren't because the planes only strike within Ukraine (I hope).
It's also a bit worrying that a possibly Russia-friendly leader was just elected in Slovakia. That's 2 members of NATO (along with Hungary) that border Ukraine, but can't be counted on.
Which is the better parallel for the Ukraine war:
The Spanish Civil War?
The Korean War?
The Afghan War?
The Iraq War?
The Vietnam War?
Something else?
None of the above?
From the beginning I have been inclined to see it more like the Spanish Civil war, in the sense that the competing powers are using that front to test weapons, tactics, communications, and of course each other. But it obviously isn't exactly the same, since there is no Franco element in the Ukraine war.
In some ways it's more like the Iraq war, in the sense that one power invaded a smaller country. But a big difference difference is that Saddam, AQ and ISIS weren't receiving massive international support from the invader's foes like Ukraine is. Some, but hardly on the same scale.
The Spanish Civil War?
The Korean War?
The Afghan War?
The Iraq War?
The Vietnam War?
Something else?
None of the above?
From the beginning I have been inclined to see it more like the Spanish Civil war, in the sense that the competing powers are using that front to test weapons, tactics, communications, and of course each other. But it obviously isn't exactly the same, since there is no Franco element in the Ukraine war.
In some ways it's more like the Iraq war, in the sense that one power invaded a smaller country. But a big difference difference is that Saddam, AQ and ISIS weren't receiving massive international support from the invader's foes like Ukraine is. Some, but hardly on the same scale.
Well, Trump is partially right about some people being okay with being absorbed by Russia. As Putin ethnically cleanses Crimea and the Donbas there are fewer and fewer people to say no.
The only thing Putin respects is force. UK and France have given long range missiles that have sunk Russian ships and cruise missiles used to blast bases in Crimea. I know at least one country has blessed the use of these missiles in Russia itself because it is ridiculous Russia can attack Ukraine daily with impunity. Most of the weapons used in Russia do appear to be Ukraine made or modified. But this nuclear response fear is just an excuse the US is using to let Ukrainian cities and their citizens be destroyed.
Putin's nuclear war threats must be in double digits by now. It would be the end of Russia and this threat could also be used for any new country he would want to attack so it has to be taken with a grain of sale.
The West is not going to base Ukrainian aircraft in their countries, this is just propaganda.
I'm thinking of all of those agreements that NATO countries have made separately with Ukraine in the last couple of months. The countries that have suggested sending troops to Ukraine, out of that list, (at least), would probably not accept that agreement.
Sounds like Russia trying a false flag again? The "good" news is that drones can be accurate and hit only what aimed at while using non threatening explosive loads. From what I understand these building have very think walls. (I hope so anyway.)
Recall that per one publication, the US has hundreds of thousands of shells we could classify as obsolete and send to Ukraine as long as someone else pays for the shipping.
I worry that otherwise smart people don't seem to be taking nuclear war seriously.
"It would be the end of Russia" is not a good reason to ignore that it would likely be the end of civilization.
Russia can't be allowed to conquer Europe by making nuclear threats-at some point you have to stand up to them. Though our government seems content with the original Afghanistan model (1980s) of bleeding the bastards. Unfortunately it is Ukrainian cities and people dying for this strategy. Appeasement has been shown to be the sure way to start a world war.
This could probably free up that many Ukrainians to fight elsewhere though. And if France went in, some other countries would also.
"France can only participate in the conflict in #Ukraine on a “limited scale”. Two land divisions of 20,000 soldiers each can be mobilized. With this “miniature” army, options are limited."
"France can only participate in the conflict in #Ukraine on a “limited scale”. Two land divisions of 20,000 soldiers each can be mobilized. With this “miniature” army, options are limited."
Looks like more video from yesterday.
"drone attack from #Ukraine on industrial warehouses in Krasnodar, Russia"
How does a ‘kamikaze jet drone’ differ from a cruise missile, aside from sounding cooler?
If NATO forces, France etc, get involved, we're talking elite fighting groups against Russian forces consisting of 3rd level conscripts.
And all the real good tech stuff comes out. Not the second hand stuff we've been sending over.
