This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Hope this is not a case of Blinken being over ruled but the US just pretending to care. If we really are still preventing Ukraine from doing everything possible to defend themselves we suck.
"Cost" of course not measuring any value for the killed and wounded Ukrainians.
It's a ghoulish cost benefit analysis these neocons employ to justify their wars.
What cost does pootie assign to the killed and wounded orcs?
You can’t both sides this, tho you wish to blame it on neocons.
Less than having NATO not in Ukraine.
That’s the problem.
Some people understood this.
Some people act like it’s not a thing.
Why don’t they get credit for their policy outcomes instead of their policy aspirations?
That is the attitude of those who sacrifice strangers.
Maybe it’s because my dad was in the Air Force, but I think neocons are soulless individuals.
General Hugh Shelton, who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during parts of the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, has a new memoir out that contains this significant-seeming story: Back in the late 1990s, Shelton says a member of Clinton's cabinet [Madeline Albright] asked him to allow Saddam Hussein to shoot down an American plane over Iraq as a pretext for starting a war. The way Shelton tells the story, this was a serious request.
Remember, the context here is the Clinton Administration's years of trying to overthrow Saddam -- including in a little-remembered 1996 CIA coup attempt. In December 1998 (most likely after the request was made to Shelton), Clinton bombed Iraq for four days in Operation Desert Fox, which Clinton said was a response to Saddam's lack of cooperation with U.N. weapons inspectors.
Here's what happened shortly after Shelton became Joint Chiefs chair in October 1997, according to his book:
You are good at hysterical perspective, and you expect others to respect pootie’s perspective.
Ah, well.
I respect my family members who served in WW2, Korea, and the Cold War. As well as those in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars.
Pushing a perspective that justifies pootie in any fashion exposes you.
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It's not 'justifying' to explain someone's motivations.
That's moronic 'thinking', that says you can't candidly observe why someone does something without being accused of sharing that person's motivations.
When a prosecutor tells the jury why a murderer killed his victim, he's isn't endorsing the motivation or the act.
It's just stupid. It's a distraction from the reality.
Merkel isn't a Putin puppet, but she understood that pushing NATO in Ukraine meant war to the Russians.
She was right. History has borne out her judgement.
Clinton's defense secretary Cohen was another who saw this coming and urged reconsideration. Does this 'expose' him?
Just a moronic approach to discussing the whole situation which is the result a policy misjudgment. This war can't be viewed as a success unless you want to believe the neocons fully expected war, and pushed ahead anyway.
In which case, they got what they want, so who cares how many Ukrainians pay the price, right?
Ah, well.
Do you think Merkel is a Putin puppet?
Do you think Cohen is a Putin puppet?
Do you think Putin is a nasty, murderous authoritarian? Do you think the world should stop efforts to quell his intent to take over parts of a country granted independence in 1991?
So sitting on the bottom trying to avoid attack or sunk.
" Le Figaro: A satellite image of the Novorossiysk naval base intrigued marine experts. Two submarines appear underwater in the harbor. "
Arming them with adequate weaponry is preventing the deaths of Ukrainians, Komrade.
Very good. Tired of seeing Russian bootlickers including Modi the stooge and mini me Jaishankar.
Ukraine struggles to hold eastern front as Russians advance on cities
For Ukrainian gun commander Oleksandr Kozachenko, the long-awaited U.S. ammunition can't come fast enough as he and his comrades struggle to hold off relentless Russian attacks. America says it's rushing ammunition and weapons to Ukraine following the delayed approval of a $61 billion aid...
Man Ukraine is going all in right now. Weapons are definitely there.
But wait, there’s more. I predict Russian officials will be using the they have nukes talking point within next 12 hours.
Man this sounds like some serious stuff going down. Not sure Russia was expecting all this today.
