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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

"Cost" of course not measuring any value for the killed and wounded Ukrainians.
It's a ghoulish cost benefit analysis these neocons employ to justify their wars.

If Ukrainians are willing to pay the cost we should support them. The cost of war is always high.

Again, this isn’t neocons’ war. It’s Putin’s. It could stop tomorrow if he pulled out.
 
So is your contention that Blinken is supporting Ukraine because he played guitar there once?
They’re not even trying to hide the grift anymore. This week, Zelensky met with our biggest defense contractors…that’s right, American Defense Contractors…

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Demented Grandpa Joe tells reporters to shut up…

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Meanwhile, Biden says securing our border is an “extreme Republican partisan agenda”.
 
But some made it through.

"Luhansk May 20, 2024, Russian base after Ukraine's raid, allegedly with SCALP-EG missiles provided by France."



"Local public pages write that several explosions were heard in LuganskAccording to preliminary information, the arrival was near the Academy of Internal Affairs, where the Russian occupiers were based."


 
They’re not even trying to hide the grift anymore. This week, Zelensky met with our biggest defense contractors…that’s right, American Defense Contractors…

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Demented Grandpa Joe tells reporters to shut up…

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Meanwhile, Biden says securing our border is an “extreme Republican partisan agenda”.

If our defense contractors were not getting all of the information they can from Ukraine they aren’t doing their job.
 
^^^^^Seems logical that contractors use testing results, but the real results are more useful.

Have to think Biden's Defense Dept personnel are lining up these beneficial meetings!

Well yeah, that’s how the revolving door works and they get the sweet gigs after retiring from ‘public service’.
 
So you think it's a bad idea to have seasoned, experienced people making the decisions?

Interesting you feel that way.
I see an obvious conflict of interest when people go back and forth from profiting on public procurement to determining it.

Interesting that you feel there isn’t.
 
From Ukraine.
"Ukraine’s once-mighty defense industrial base, now battered by the war, holds significant potential to help achieve this objective, but this is not a near-term solution. Major investment in new physical infrastructure remains unlikely amid the persistent threat of Russian air and missile attacks. Corruption, inadequate professional management, inefficient corporate structures, and technological gaps are just a few of the serious challenges that reformers in Kyiv will have to address before Ukraine can begin producing weapons systems, munitions, and other technologies at the scale needed to address its enormous military needs.

The United States and Europe are trying to devise an interim framework that aims to help Ukraine defend itself until it can formally join Western institutions down the road. On the margins of the NATO summit in Vilnius in July 2023, the leaders of the G7 nations and the EU signed a joint declaration of support for Ukraine. This document, while merely a political statement, launched a process by which the signatories must elaborate concrete long-term commitments, including on equipment transfers, military training, intelligence cooperation, and economic support. The declaration also committed the signatories to providing “support to further develop Ukraine’s industrial base.” And it committed Ukraine to advancing defense-sector reforms, in particular to improve efficiency and transparency."

https://carnegieendowment.org/resea...nto-the-wests-defense-industrial-base?lang=en
 
They are providing a lot of their own weapons.

But guess what, nobody provides all of their own military hardware, including the aggressors in this war.
Analysis by Global Witness reveals that in the first nine months of 2023, the US imported 30 million barrels of fuel from refineries running on Russian oil. These purchases contributed an estimated $180 million in direct tax revenue to the Kremlin as it wages brutal war on Ukraine.

 
Analysis by Global Witness reveals that in the first nine months of 2023, the US imported 30 million barrels of fuel from refineries running on Russian oil. These purchases contributed an estimated $180 million in direct tax revenue to the Kremlin as it wages brutal war on Ukraine.


I have no idea what kind of point you are trying to make here.
 
"Ukraine’s once-mighty defense industrial base, now battered by the war, holds significant potential to help achieve this objective, but this is not a near-term solution. Major investment in new physical infrastructure remains unlikely amid the persistent threat of Russian air and missile attacks. Corruption, inadequate professional management, inefficient corporate structures, and technological gaps are just a few of the serious challenges that reformers in Kyiv will have to address before Ukraine can begin producing weapons systems, munitions, and other technologies at the scale needed to address its enormous military needs.

The United States and Europe are trying to devise an interim framework that aims to help Ukraine defend itself until it can formally join Western institutions down the road. On the margins of the NATO summit in Vilnius in July 2023, the leaders of the G7 nations and the EU signed a joint declaration of support for Ukraine. This document, while merely a political statement, launched a process by which the signatories must elaborate concrete long-term commitments, including on equipment transfers, military training, intelligence cooperation, and economic support. The declaration also committed the signatories to providing “support to further develop Ukraine’s industrial base.” And it committed Ukraine to advancing defense-sector reforms, in particular to improve efficiency and transparency."

https://carnegieendowment.org/resea...nto-the-wests-defense-industrial-base?lang=en
Lol. Their defense industrial base wasn’t battered by war, it’s been battered by the fact that Ukraine has long been recognized as one of the most corrupt countries on earth.

They’re involved in human trafficking, money laundering, arms dealing, drug trade; you name it and they’re most likely neck deep in it.

Little Twinkletoes Zelenskyy isn’t changing any of that…it’s pure grift.
 
Lol. Their defense industrial base wasn’t battered by war, it’s been battered by the fact that Ukraine has long been recognized as one of the most corrupt countries on earth.

They’re involved in human trafficking, money laundering, arms dealing, drug trade; you name it and they’re most likely neck deep in it.

Little Twinkletoes Zelenskyy isn’t changing any of that…it’s pure grift.
JFC you're transparent.
 
I have no idea what kind of point you are trying to make here.
The point is the American government is STILL doing business with the Russian government. Nobody gives a F*** about the citizens of Ukraine or American citizens either.

They’re enriching themselve, first and always

And laughing at partisan bootlickers like you all the way to the bank.
 
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Analysis by Global Witness reveals that in the first nine months of 2023, the US imported 30 million barrels of fuel from refineries running on Russian oil. These purchases contributed an estimated $180 million in direct tax revenue to the Kremlin as it wages brutal war on Ukraine.

Gasprom lost $6.9 billion in 2023. The $180 mil to steady prices and supply was a like pissing in the ocean.

 
Gasprom lost $6.9 billion in 2023. The $180 mil to steady prices and supply was a like pissing in the ocean.

And now they will get to pay to reconstruct all of the infrastructure being blown up by Ukrainian drones. It's a real shame.
 
Gasprom lost $6.9 billion in 2023. The $180 mil to steady prices and supply was a like pissing in the ocean.

180 million, enough to buy 105 of the Kalibr cruise missiles Russia has used to kill scores of Ukrainian civilians. It could also purchase over 8,600 of the Iranian-made drones that have recently been bombarding Kyiv.
 


"The head of Ukraine's Russia-annexed Luhansk region said on Monday that Ukrainian shelling had damaged a fuel depot and triggered a fire in the town of Dovzhansk.


It was the third such Ukrainian attack on depots in the region this month.


Leonid Pasechnik, writing on the Telegram messaging app, said Ukrainian forces had used cluster bombs in the attack on the town, called Sverdlovsk, its Soviet-era name, by the Russia-installed local administration."

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...sk-says-ukrainian-shelling-damages-fuel-depot
 
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