This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Strong responses will prevent WW3.
Allowing continued aggression is how we ended up in WW2, ICYMI
Joe, in case you haven't figured it out, the United States government has been asleep at the wheel for the last 6 months.
We will not be doing anything "strong" until atleast Jan 2025.
The beat on the street is Joe put in his 2 weeks and Kamala hasn't come out of the bottle since someone told her she lost.
For the military people-due to the number of explosions is this more likely to have been HIMARS? It's amazing how missiles are shot down but still hit their targets! 
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But hitting Kyiv is ok to you?You've got a special kind of crazy going on this year.
I've never seen anyone beg for nuclear war, but you're sort of obsessed with the idea:
If Putin had the capability, this war would be over.
He's using nuclear threats because that's all they are...idle threats.
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They really need to take out Putin's palace on the Black Sea.
No, it's isn't. Like our CIA Director, I opposed the policy that provoked this war, because I agreed with Prof. Mearsheimer that it would result in Ukraine getting wrecked. And now swathes of it looks like Grozny did after the Chechen wars, and people here cheerlead for MIC profits as if it makes our country better off to borrow money to turn resources into smoke while needs at home remain unmet.
I don't understand how it's ok with anyone.
Agreed. The Kremlin and the CIA overrated the capability of the Russian military.
It's why we offered to fly Zelensky out. Our 'best minds' thought they'd be overrun.
He's using nuclear threats because his conventional military would be beaten handily by the U.S.
We'd lose lives on a scale not seen since Vietnam, defense is clearly predominant - and we haven't worked out answers to a lot of things we see happening in this war, but I'm confident we'd win.
Problem is they wouldn't sit back an lose when they have options to raise the price unacceptably.
That's what nukes mean.
If Putin nukes Lvov, do you think the people in Ukraine wanting peace now goes up from 52%, or down?
It's easy to get carried away as warhawk spectators from this message board, but in no country is there an appetite among the people for a war with Russia - because of the nukes.
The US elected a president who promised to bring an end to the war. It's crazy that the defeated, lame duck administration is trying to drag us into WW3 before getting kicked out in two months.
Headlines only -
How Orban Became Putin’s Pawn
Among all of Russia’s useful idiots, few have sought to make themselves more useful than the Hungarian prime minister.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/07/11/orban-putin-hungary-russia-war-politics-eu/
It is absolutely crazy that you think that Russians have an appetite for nuclear war. Historically, they bluster. That's all they can do.
So the Storm Shadows are said to be very good at taking out bunkers. From this angle it does look like whatever they were, they hit very close together. And with how few of these" best" missiles that Ukraine has, (Storm Shadow, Scalp, ATACMS) it does make one wonder if there was something special here to use so many of them.
"With a high degree of certainty, this is not just a regular communications facility, but an underground command post. Given the proximity of the sanatorium, it is highly likely that it was used by the command of the Russian forces in the Kursk region. And considering that North Korean troops are also operating there, it is possible that North Korean generals were present," the publication notes.Such a facility justifies the use of a significant number of Storm Shadow/SCALP missiles. Moreover, their 450 kg warhead is specifically designed to target protected facilities."
"The Russian Doomsday aircraft Tu-214PU is active and is moving from the Moscow region to an unknown destination."
I am not a fan of land mines being used. Not my choice, as I don't live there. I just worry about a young child stepping on one in 50 years
Witnessing them miscalculate so far to date, I'm not comforted by the idea they wouldn't do something because it's a bad idea.
Do you have any more clips from Fascist dictators?
The question was:
Which of the following statements about the war with Russia comes closest to your personal views?
Ukraine should continue fighting until it wins the war
Ukraine should seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible
Don't know/Refused
At the outset of the conflict those who wanted to continue fighting until Ukraine 'wins the war' was over 70%, now it is down to 38%.
The support for continuing the conflict has fallen nearly in half, and is below 50% in all regions of the country.
Why not donate those assets to a needy country? Cough, cough Ukraine, Poland, etc…
Look at these guys, that inspires confidence.....using the same tailor as Lori Lightfoot
FWIW here is their reasoning.
"For Ukraine's forces trying to halt Russian advances up and down the long front line in the east, mines are vital.
Russia's tactics currently involve sending small groups of soldiers - sometimes no more than three to five men - to walk or ride motorbikes behind Ukrainian positions. These men are often killed or captured.
However, in besieged towns like Chasiv Yar and Kurakhove, Ukrainian analysts say squads will sometimes be sent out every 20 minutes for hours at a time, creating problems for Ukrainian troops.
"It's very difficult to deal with," Serhiy Kuzan from the Ukrainian Security and Cooperation Centre told the BBC.
"We need more anti-personnel mines."
Much of the fighting is taking place in rural parts of the Donbas, wooded areas between huge open areas of farmland.
With much of the civilian population already evacuated, Ukraine argues that the tactical use of "non-persistent" mines poses minimal risk to civilians and is absolutely essential to stem Russia's advance."
Biden agrees to give Ukraine anti-personnel mines
A US official tells the BBC the mines will be given soon, as Russia advances steadily in the east.
www.bbc.com
Russia is struggling to supply their own soldiers with edible food, how are they going to feed 100,000 North Koreans? It isn’t like the NKs have the logistical capabilities to supply their own soldiers.Zelenskyy says North Korea may send 100k troops to Ukraine, as war reaches 1,000 days
Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said his country could face 100,000 North Korean troops, as he urged European nations to intensify their military aid in a speech marking 1,000 days since Russia launched its full-scale invasion.
Speaking to the European parliament, the Ukrainian president said Vladimir Putin had brought 11,000 North Korean troops to Ukraine’s borders and “this contingent may grow to 100,000”.
Zelenskyy did not elaborate further, but his remarks appear to endorse a Bloomberg report citing unnamed sources saying that North Korea could deploy 100,000 troops to assist Russia against Ukraine.
Zelenskyy’s short speech, delivered by video link, was a rallying call to EU nations at a critical moment for Ukraine, as Russia continues to make advances, amid fears that the incoming US president, Donald Trump, will cut military aid and force a peace settlement that would require Kyiv to cede large amounts of territory.
Poland’s foreign minister, Radosław Sikorski, said the largest EU countries were ready “to assume the burden of military and financial support for Ukraine in the context of a possible reduction in US involvement”. He was speaking after a meeting of EU foreign and defence ministers in Brussels, which included the UK foreign secretary, David Lammy, via video link.
Estonia’s foreign minister said European nations should be ready to send troops to Ukraine to underpin any peace deal between Kyiv and Moscow engineered by Trump. In an interview with the Financial Times, Margus Tsahkna said the best security guarantee for Ukraine was Nato membership, but if the US opposed Kyiv joining the military alliance, then Europe would have to put “boots on the ground”.
Analysts have suggested a coalition of the willing could consist of Poland and the UK-led Joint Expeditionary Force, a defence group that includes the Nordic and Baltic states and the Netherlands.
Zelenskyy urged European countries to ensure Russia was pushed towards a “just peace”.
He also appeared to make a dig at the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, who recently triggered snap elections, and has long frustrated Kyiv with Germany’s slow pace of military support and refusal to supply German-made long-range Taurus missiles.
“While some European leaders think about some elections or something like this … Putin is focused on winning this war. He will not stop on his own. The more time he has, the worse the conditions become,” Zelenskyy said.
In a veiled appeal for long-range weapons, Zelenskyy said that without “certain key factors, Russia will lack real motivation to engage in meaningful negotiations”. He outlined those factors as fires in ammunition depots on Russian territory, disrupting military logistics, destroying Russian airbases, lost capabilities to produce missiles and drones, and confiscated assets – a list that largely depends on the ability to strike into Russian territory.
Joe Biden’s decision to allow Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to fire into Russia’s Kursk region has raised pressure on European allies to follow.
Britain is expected to supply Ukraine with Storm Shadow missiles for use inside Russia after the US president’s move. The prime minister, Keir Starmer, said the UK recognised it needed to “double down” support for Ukraine.
Scholz, however, continues to rule out the use of Taurus missiles and is not expected to change his mind. The French foreign minister, Jean-Nöel Barrot, on Monday said that allowing the use of its long-range missiles in Russia remained “an option” for France.
Zelenskyy’s speech was book-ended by two standing ovations from MEPs, but some of the parliament’s members were missing. The 25 MEPs who make up the far-right Europe of Sovereign Nations (ESN) group were absent because they had scheduled an “external group meeting”, a spokesperson said.
The ESN’s largest contingent is Germany’s Alternative für Deutschland party, which wants to end military aid for Ukraine and whose senior leaders have spoken approvingly of the Russian president.
The Ukrainian leader also appealed for strong sanctions, especially measures to clamp down on “shadow tankers”, the fleet of poorly maintained and underinsured vessels that is keeping Russia’s oil trade afloat. Zelenskyy said oil was “the lifeblood of Putin’s regime” and “as long as these tankers operate, Putin continues to kill”.
MEPs last week passed a non-binding resolution calling on the G7 to better enforce and reduce the oil price cap on Russian seaborne oil, as well as crack down on loopholes that allow Russian oil to be sold at market prices.
Western allies led by the G7 imposed a price cap of $60 a barrel in 2022 to restrict western companies from transporting, servicing or brokering Russian crude oil cargoes in order to undermine Russia’s oil trade. The deal was a compromise as it was feared a full embargo would send oil prices rocketing, but Russia has since invested heavily in a shadow fleet that allows it to sell oil above the price cap.
Zelenskyy says North Korea may send 100k troops to Ukraine, as war reaches 1,000 days
President gives speech to European parliament urging nations to intensify military aid as Russia advanceswww.theguardian.com
My guess is the 100,000 isn’t a realistic number.
Indeed, but if they don’t stop the hordes of Russians and NKs, it won’t matter.
The UK has really let themselves go. Too much money wrapped up in 2 carriers and boomers.
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