With Russia and Iran holding hands.....we'll probably end up fighting Israel
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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With Russia and Iran holding hands.....we'll probably end up fighting Israel
When Russia runs out of tanks and equipment, the front lines will no longer be "static".
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Trump is Chamberlin, but with shittier motives.She's correct....
The European Union’s foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, expressed surprise that Hegseth and Trump had listed what appeared to be concessions to Russia even before talks have begun in earnest.
“We shouldn’t take anything off the table before the negotiations have even started, because it plays to Russia’s court,” she said. “Why are we giving them everything that they want even before the negotiations have been started? It’s appeasement. It has never worked.”
NATO allies insist Ukraine and Europe must be in peace talks as Trump touts Putin meeting
European governments are reeling after the Trump administration signaled that it is planning face-to-face talks with Russia on ending the war in Ukraine.apnews.com
IIRC, I posted something along these lines on like Page 19....
When did we get them back? Biden didn't hand over Afghanistan to the Taliban, ICYMI.
Do not "negotiate" a NATO membership for Ukraine.
Just lie, and then do it anyway. **** Putin.
You left out the part about not relying on any security guarantees from Russians.
I think Russia has been depleted enough that Ukraine could still win without US support.
What I’ve heard from Trump is a "Fvck No" for Zelensky in terms of ending the war.
You can't reward aggression.
What I’ve heard from Trump is a "Fvck No" for Zelensky in terms of ending the war.
You can't reward aggression.
If they go to prewar borders I won't be thrilled but it's still a Russian loss in my eyes. Almost a million people for no purpose.
Trump blames Ukraine for getting into war with Russia and does not see them as an equal in the peace talks.
Ukraine with the help of Europe can outlast Putin/Trump
A freezing of the lines and a couple year pause in the conflict might actually put Ukraine in a better position to get their land back.
A lot of "if's involved in that scenario.
IF Ukraine can actually build an Air Force in the interim that'd change a lot of things.
IF they keep getting supplied with Western weapons and can build up stocks of munitions.
IF they get international support rebuilding their economy (Russia ain't gonna get much support in that regard and any support they do get will go into the pockets of the Putin and the Oligarchs)
I'd bet on Ukraine doing a much better job in reorganizing their armed forces, implementing "lessons learned" and coming out the other end a much more lethal fighting force than Russia.
There'd also be much more motivation and a "just cause" to rally around. The Russians will still be the same corrupt/inept organization they were at the start of the war. They'll also be recovering from the economic ramifications of the war. If they were a "paper tiger" before the war I don't see much changing afterwards.
Just trying to find a possible upside to this.
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There is no possible upside to Hegseth’s stupid comments.
His comments were indeed stupid. Can't concede things PRIOR to negotiations.
Art of the Deal
Not the issue. The issue is announcing your concessions PRIOR to negotiations.
Incredibly stupid.
In negotiations 101 that'd get you an F.
The upside is only for Hegseth. He's in his position solely for his loyalty to Trump and this helps solidify his fealty.
That is 100% a Russian talking point - that Zelenskyy isn't a legitimate leader so they will not negotiate with him.
Doing Putin's work in advance of any "negotiations" here.
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