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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Can someone tell me about the pro nazi groups that are supposedly fighting foe Ukraine? There is a giant pissing match on the main board. Are there actually pro nazi groups fighting with Ukraine, somewhat legitimizing putins claims?
It would not be surprising, but I have a hard time believing it is material or that it is quite like what you may be thinking of when you and I think of nazis. There is a long history in that part of the world from wwii (including as it happens some relatives I didn't know I had until after the wall came down) of collaborators who fought against the russians on the side of the nazi's. Xolodomor produced some long memories.

Beyond that, the terms nazi's is an absolute dog whistle to the russian ear, even today. understandably so, given russian losses in wwii -- I've visited the petersburg mass graves, and it takes your breath away. But consider the source of reports referencing nazi's in the context of this agreement
 
It would not be surprising, but I have a hard time believing it is material or that it is quite like what you may be thinking of when you and I think of nazis. There is a long history in that part of the world from wwii (including as it happens some relatives I didn't know I had until after the wall came down) of collaborators who fought against the russians on the side of the nazi's. Xolodomor produced some long memories.

Beyond that, the terms nazi's is an absolute dog whistle to the russian ear, even today. understandably so, given russian losses in wwii -- I've visited the petersburg mass graves, and it takes your breath away. But consider the source of reports referencing nazi's in the context of this agreement
Which is why Putin’s whole reason to go to war used Nazi’s as the excuse.
 
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Can someone tell me about the pro nazi groups that are supposedly fighting foe Ukraine? There is a giant pissing match on the main board. Are there actually pro nazi groups fighting with Ukraine, somewhat legitimizing putins claims?
I would compare them to the Three Percenters or other extremist/neo-nazi types in our military and law enforcement. A few hundred are there, but that doesn't make the whole country or 150k man military that way. Remember Ukraine has been at war with Russia's separatist/infiltrator proxies since 2014. Imagine if the US was invaded and at war for 8 years, would you stop the Proud Boys from fighting the invaders?
 
That is very nice of Mitt. Did he pledge to stand shoulder to shoulder with President Biden when a US pilot is shot down over occupied territory? Is he going to stand tall when a Russian ballistic missile plunges into an airfield in Poland or Romania? Is he going to shout down Fox News? They have been clamoring for a no fly zone all day, and for transferring Migs. Will Mitt stand up when they rip Biden for US losses?
Hold it! Tucker Carlson wants a NFZ over Ukraine? He IS Fox News, after all.😎
 
I would compare them to the Three Percenters or other extremist/neo-nazi types in our military and law enforcement. A few hundred are there, but that doesn't make the whole country or 150k man military that way. Remember Ukraine has been at war with Russia's separatist/infiltrator proxies since 2014. Imagine if the US was invaded and at war for 8 years, would you stop the Proud Boys from fighting the invaders?
This.
 
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That is very nice of Mitt. Did he pledge to stand shoulder to shoulder with President Biden when a US pilot is shot down over occupied territory? Is he going to stand tall when a Russian ballistic missile plunges into an airfield in Poland or Romania? Is he going to shout down Fox News? They have been clamoring for a no fly zone all day, and for transferring Migs. Will Mitt stand up when they rip Biden for US losses?
Wait…Tucker and Fox want a no fly zone? Hell has frozen over as this is literally the first time that ass-clown and I have agreed on anything.
 
There are neo Nazis / white supremacy types in every country Including here.

Whataboutism?
So you've gone from denying there are no neo-nazis in Ukraine, to saying there are neo-nazis everywhere?
How many places are they elected mayor?

That’s not why russia went in. By all means you can keep shining Putin’s balls and Whiskey can fall for the disinformation.

I completely concur that's not why Russia invaded.
It's a fig leaf.
But disinformation would be if someone suggested there are no neo-nazis in Ukraine, or the Ukrainian government.
It's documented by reputable sources.

Salon just posted a new piece.
 

Look at that legend.
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I would compare them to the Three Percenters or other extremist/neo-nazi types in our military and law enforcement. A few hundred are there, but that doesn't make the whole country or 150k man military that way. Remember Ukraine has been at war with Russia's separatist/infiltrator proxies since 2014. Imagine if the US was invaded and at war for 8 years, would you stop the Proud Boys from fighting the invaders?
I get it, it makes sense. It just makes the water even more muddy. We look at Putin as this authoritarian asshole, which he is, and the Ukrainians are kinda the media darlings right now but I think if all the facts were known there are many things we as westerns would scoff at.
 
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Whataboutism?
So you've gone from denying there are no neo-nazis in Ukraine, to saying there are neo-nazis everywhere?
How many places are they elected mayor?



I completely concur that's not why Russia invaded.
It's a fig leaf.
But disinformation would be if someone suggested there are no neo-nazis in Ukraine, or the Ukrainian government.
It's documented by reputable sources.

Salon just posted a new piece.
What are you talking about Natty Light. I never denied it. It’s the disinformation on the numbers and amplification of the story right now which is Russia propaganda to make it sound like their reason of war is legit.
 
That is very nice of Mitt. Did he pledge to stand shoulder to shoulder with President Biden when a US pilot is shot down over occupied territory? Is he going to stand tall when a Russian ballistic missile plunges into an airfield in Poland or Romania? Is he going to shout down Fox News? They have been clamoring for a no fly zone all day, and for transferring Migs. Will Mitt stand up when they rip Biden for US losses?
Of all “GOP” of late Mitt has shown the most balls.
 
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