Kinda curious if anybody has seen Sweet Lou, the founder and CEO of this epic conversation? whassup @Nole Lou ?
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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See if their bravado has anything behind it or they can fail with the rest of the non- contributors.
If they’re shooting down SU-34s on the regular, Russia is totally screwed.
I’ve forgotten but is Canada covered as part of the Monroe Doctrine?
Too lazy to look it up.
Not initially, as it was then an existing colony.
Monroe basically told Europe that if they tried to re-impose colonies where they had gained independence we'd take it personally.
Of events in that quarter of the globe, with which we have so much intercourse and from which we derive our origin, we have always been anxious and interested spectators. The citizens of the United States cherish sentiments the most friendly in favor of the liberty and happiness of their fellow-men on that side of the Atlantic. In the wars of the European powers in matters relating to themselves we have never taken any part, nor does it comport with our policy to do so. It is only when our rights are invaded or seriously menaced that we resent injuries or make preparation for our defense. With the movements in this hemisphere we are of necessity more immediately connected, and by causes which must be obvious to all enlightened and impartial observers. The political system of the allied powers is essentially different in this respect from that of America. This difference proceeds from that which exists in their respective Governments; and to the defense of our own, which has been achieved by the loss of so much blood and treasure, and matured by the wisdom of their most enlightened citizens, and under which we have enjoyed unexampled felicity, this whole nation is devoted. We owe it, therefore, to candor and to the amicable relations existing between the United States and those powers to declare that we should consider any attempt on their part to extend their system to any portion of this hemisphere as dangerous to our peace and safety. With the existing colonies or dependencies of any European power we have not interfered and shall not interfere. But with the Governments who have declared their independence and maintain it, and whose independence we have, on great consideration and on just principles, acknowledged, we could not view any interposition for the purpose of oppressing them, or controlling in any other manner their destiny, by any European power in any other light than as the manifestation of an unfriendly disposition toward the United States.
This is an excellent train of thought.
Given their performance to date, is it really a bad-faith argument say he wouldn't dare attack NATO?
If we take seriously Putin's indifference to the loss of innocent life, I think it is reasonable to not seek escalation and expansion of this war.
I honestly think it will be better long term for them to fail against Ukraine 'alone'.
No need to give Putin the excuse for failure, or do something at would more likely than not rally the Russian people toward him.
I'm not calling for in ground troups. That would be better for UN.
We don't want Russia to be 3rd world country after Putin is gone.
Goldy, The Monroe Doctrine passed, eh a 125 years ago. Don't act like that is applicable to today's time.
No, everyone in NATO does not think it was foolish to not have Ukraine in NATO. Ukraine wouldn't be close to being able to join NATO even now.
On Toronto, no argument there. Canada is a NATO member.
You are assuming (wrongly), that the people of Russia will ever figure out the truth. Censorship, blindness, drunkeness....Yes tiny Ukraine blew up their own maternity ward. Tiny Ukraine attacked Russian Bear. You can't cleanse the people until you cleanse the top.
It is not like Germany was full of idiots when Hitler took complete power. Dictatorship can do a lot to one's heart and one's mind. That is why this war needs to end now.
Appeasement has never worked in human history.
The Russian people figured it out in 1991.
How do you "end this war now" without creating a much bigger war?
We need to be patient.
Putin shills in Congress.
Putin shill disgrace Madison Cawthorn.
Putin shill disgrace Madison Cawthorn.
If you look back, 1991 had a drastically different number of people as leaders in the former USSR. Putin is acting like an absolute dictator. Gorby and Yeltsin never acted that way.
Hard to fathom
I can’t stand that guy.
Again...long game is generally the best diplomatic/strategic move. But not always. If Hitler had his ass kicked in 1939, about 50 million lives would have been saved.
Come on folks, learn from history.
Come on folks, learn from history.
True, but I don't see why that really matters. It's 2022. Word is going to get around on this cluster*ck invasion of Ukraine. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some around him are pretty pissed about it.
The world was in no position to kick Hitler's ass in 1939. The US had roughly 100,000 men under arms.
At any rate, Adolf didn't have nuclear weapons.
Agree with this. I think Putin is hoping NATO gets involved. I also don’t see how NATO imposing a no fly zone doesn’t escalate into an all-out war.
Keep providing Ukraine with stingers and anti-tank weapons and ammo and food and logistical and intelligence support.
Yup. Ukraine is going to get better than Stingers as well, for ground based, mobile air defense.
As there were people pissed around Hitler and Stalin. How many assassination attempts were there? Too many to count.
They failed, and people died or were executed. Quit being scared of nukes everyone.
Putin is going to lose at some point. It is just whether you and your Applebees Sunday dinner and Audi's going to the local steak joint for Sunday brunch really value that over doing the right thing.
I believe in the United States of America, and I want us to do the right thing. We are 100 fold more powerful than Russia.
DO....The ....RIGHT....thing.
I honestly think the next big story with the Arctic blast coming is:
My bold prediction is the decimation of supply lines, strategic killing of commanders and brutally cold weather leads to mass desertion and surrenders of the abandoned troops.
House just passed 15 billion bill against Russia.
I'm guessing we could hire our own mercenaries for a fraction of that price to take out Putin.
I'm guessing we could hire our own mercenaries for a fraction of that price to take out Putin.
What’s an all out war look like? Russia can even successfully invade a mostly unarmed neighbor.
Hitler and Stalin didn’t have nukes. There is no comparable to Putin.
Hitler and Stalin would have used nukes if they had them. Stalin killed millions of his own people, likely a total higher than Hitler. Hitler wanted his entire country to burn as punishment to his own people for not winning the war.
OK, let's say we "do the right thing". NATO announces a NFZ over Ukraine. Russian aircraft violate it and we shoot it/them down. Better yet, let's engage in ground attack operations. Russia then fires a nuke at Poland. Then what?
Yep. Russian pantsed themselves for whole world to see. Their younger brother, China is shocked and a tad bit worried about it too.
They didn't need nukes. They had folks that blindly did what they were told to do and if they retreated they were shot by their own countrymen.
