I get what he's saying, but we cannot and must not escalate this to a war involving the USA.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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What is it about Kamala that always makes her seem so insincere?
She's here talking in Romania now, and it seems like she's trying to please a speech coach.
Virtually every time she speaks it seems like she doesn't have any conviction in what she's saying.
Right words, but her delivery is just awkward.
She's here talking in Romania now, and it seems like she's trying to please a speech coach.
Virtually every time she speaks it seems like she doesn't have any conviction in what she's saying.
Right words, but her delivery is just awkward.
Hoping this is true. Another purge of the Russian military leadership.
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It’s worked for me so far.
Cracks appearing on Russian TV?
State TV pundit Karen Shakhnazarov pointed out: “The war in Ukraine paints a frightening picture, it has a very oppressive influence on our society. Ukraine, whichever way you see it, is something with which Russia has thousands of human links. The suffering of one group of innocents does not compensate for the suffering of other innocent people... I don’t see the probability of denazification of such an enormous country. We would need to bring in 1.5 million soldiers to control all of it. At the same time, I don’t see any political power that would consolidate the Ukrainian society in a pro-Russian direction... Those who talked of their mass attraction to Russia obviously didn’t see things the way they are. The most important thing in this scenario is to stop our military action. Others will say that sanctions will remain. Yes, they will remain, but in my opinion discontinuing the active phase of a military operation is very important.”
Resorting to the traditional propaganda tropes prevalent in Russian state media, Shakhnazarov accused the United States of starting the war—and trying to prolong it indefinitely. He speculated: “What are they achieving by prolonging the war? First of all, public opinion within Russia is changing. People are shocked by the masses of refugees, the humanitarian catastrophe, people start to imagine themselves in their place. It’s starting to affect them. To say that the Nazis are doing that is not quite convincing, strictly speaking... On top of that, economic sanctions will start to affect them, and seriously. There will probably be scarcity. A lot of products we don’t produce, even the simplest ones. There’ll be unemployment. They really thought through these sanctions, they’re hitting us with real continuity. It’s a well-planned operation... Yes, this is a war of the United States with Russia... These sanctions are hitting us very precisely.
“This threatens the change of public opinion in Russia, the destabilization of our power structures... with the possibility of a full destabilization of the country and a civil war. This apocalyptic scenario is based on the script written by the Americans. They benefit through us dragging out the military operation. We need to end it somehow. If we achieved the demilitarization and freed the Donbas, that is sufficient... I have a hard time imagining taking cities such as Kyiv. I can’t imagine how that would look. If this picture starts to transform into an absolute humanitarian disaster, even our close allies like China and India will be forced to distance themselves from us. This public opinion, with which they’re saturating the entire world, can play out badly for us... Ending this operation will stabilize things within the country.”
State TV pundit Karen Shakhnazarov pointed out: “The war in Ukraine paints a frightening picture, it has a very oppressive influence on our society. Ukraine, whichever way you see it, is something with which Russia has thousands of human links. The suffering of one group of innocents does not compensate for the suffering of other innocent people... I don’t see the probability of denazification of such an enormous country. We would need to bring in 1.5 million soldiers to control all of it. At the same time, I don’t see any political power that would consolidate the Ukrainian society in a pro-Russian direction... Those who talked of their mass attraction to Russia obviously didn’t see things the way they are. The most important thing in this scenario is to stop our military action. Others will say that sanctions will remain. Yes, they will remain, but in my opinion discontinuing the active phase of a military operation is very important.”
Resorting to the traditional propaganda tropes prevalent in Russian state media, Shakhnazarov accused the United States of starting the war—and trying to prolong it indefinitely. He speculated: “What are they achieving by prolonging the war? First of all, public opinion within Russia is changing. People are shocked by the masses of refugees, the humanitarian catastrophe, people start to imagine themselves in their place. It’s starting to affect them. To say that the Nazis are doing that is not quite convincing, strictly speaking... On top of that, economic sanctions will start to affect them, and seriously. There will probably be scarcity. A lot of products we don’t produce, even the simplest ones. There’ll be unemployment. They really thought through these sanctions, they’re hitting us with real continuity. It’s a well-planned operation... Yes, this is a war of the United States with Russia... These sanctions are hitting us very precisely.
“This threatens the change of public opinion in Russia, the destabilization of our power structures... with the possibility of a full destabilization of the country and a civil war. This apocalyptic scenario is based on the script written by the Americans. They benefit through us dragging out the military operation. We need to end it somehow. If we achieved the demilitarization and freed the Donbas, that is sufficient... I have a hard time imagining taking cities such as Kyiv. I can’t imagine how that would look. If this picture starts to transform into an absolute humanitarian disaster, even our close allies like China and India will be forced to distance themselves from us. This public opinion, with which they’re saturating the entire world, can play out badly for us... Ending this operation will stabilize things within the country.”
Wow a couple of 2 stars and now a 3 star. Seems odd to have such high ranking brass in harm's way, but what do I know.
Crazy in addition to all the equipment being blown up, there is also a ton being abandoned!
And none of it will be easy and cheap to replace.
I guess if I were a Ukrainian harvesting abandoned equipment I would be pretty wary of booby traps...
I would not. The John Deere armor is considered among the best military grade stuff in the world.
Not the towing part necessarily, but the starting it up and pulling levers part. If abandoned the russians probably poured shit in their fuel tanks anyway to make the inoperable. But then again, maybe not.
She sounds so whiny. Hilary would’ve actually been perfect for such a speech. She can come across as a true bitch. Perfect for wartime. I sincerely mean that as a compliment.
I think you tow it, see what the Ukranian forces want, and then torch the rest. There’s a very real risk of Russia recovering equipment that’s not destroyed.
Scary thing is, the replacements for the eight fired generals are likely to be even more ruthless in regard to war crimes to get Putin some positive battlefield news, and save their own skin. Really need to rely on the foot soldiers to be the ones to desert/disobey orders (along with continued excellent results from the Ukrainians armed with javelins and Ukrainian farmers)
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Kind of like Patton, you would really only want a SOB like that to be around during a war.
A related thought - Stalin decapitated the office corps in the 30s before WW2. The silver lining of losing all that experience was that it allowed younger, talented officers to rise to important positions. Some say that Russia still has 90% of it's military force intact. Unfortunately they have time to work this out.
Not if the other 90% of the equipment is as woefully outdated they won't. That's the real problem and one they can't fix both quickly or cheaply.
Listened to a podcast about Stalins last living bodyguard.
Stalin purged (basically killed) all of the secret police 3 different times. Because they knew about too many atrocities and he didn’t trust them. After Stalin died the new leadership killed or imprisoned them all because they wanted to scrub the past. This guy survived luckily by never getting too prominent or advancing up the ranks and when he was sentenced to be a guard at a gulag ( they said that wasn’t much better than being a prisoner ) some guy cut him a break and let him go take care of his dying parents instead.
seriously crazy history over there. Makes me want term limits even more. Absolute power corrupts, it just does.
Unfortunately, while the equipment is woefully outdated if forced to square off with us, apparently it does just fine pulverizing civilian communities where precision targeting is not required.
Still disagree. They can't even get air supremacy against Ukraine! The NATO air power would have torched every single piece of Russian equipment in Ukraine long ago.
This has been a catastrophically embarrassing event for Russia, and actually causes me a bit of anxiety that Putin may use nukes to show they still should be feared. But Russia has just shown every nation in the world, friend and foe, they are a total paper tiger without the nukes.
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If we achieved the demilitarization and freed the Donbas, that is sufficient...
Uhhh, there probably are now more and more advanced weapons in barns throughout the Ukrainian countryside than the Ukrainian Army had altogether prior to the invasion, so that goal was definitely not met!
Major General Andriy Kolesnikov, commander of the Eastern Military District. He dead.
Major General Andriy Kolesnikov, commander of the Eastern Military District. He dead.
Holy moley.
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They aren't guilty in a legal sense - they are guilty in a moral sense. That is war profiteering, plain and simple.
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This is why I have a hard time believing Russia has 4500 nukes. I mean, maybe they do, but how many of those can they get off the ground?
Just googled by description, is it We Didn't Start the Fire podcast or did the guest make the rounds on different history podcasts?
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There's a reason she received less than 1% of the primary vote.
I think it's the "timbre" and tone of her voice mostly. Some of what she says would probably come off as sincere with the right person saying in the right manner. Speech communications is not a strong trait for her.
