This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

[h-hawk]

So killing Hitler would have been a war crime? That’s just dumb as hell.

Trivia-when it became apparent to Allied intelligence just how much Hitler was screwing up the German war effort, a moratorium was put in place stopping any attempts on Hitler's life. It is said that even Stalin blocked two attempts. We can only hope Putin if fouling up their military too.

 

[SI_NYC]

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All part of the "long game", to shore up Russia's shrinking (and aging) population base.

If this is accurate, words cannot express how tragic this is.

 

[SI_NYC]

Trivia-when it became apparent to Allied intelligence just how much Hitler was screwing up the German war effort, a moratorium was put in place stopping any attempts on Hitler's life. It is said that even Stalin blocked two attempts. We can only hope Putin if fouling up their military too.

I’d prefer he die.

 

[noleclone2]

Trivia-when it became apparent to Allied intelligence just how much Hitler was screwing up the German war effort, a moratorium was put in place stopping any attempts on Hitler's life. It is said that even Stalin blocked two attempts. We can only hope Putin if fouling up their military too.

I was actually thinking, if Ukraine wins another giant battle with the regathering but depleted forces in East Ukraine, basically the entire Russian Army will be both eviscerated and shown to be a paper Tiger. If this coupled with the sanctions results in Putin’s overthrow and an end to his 20 plus year disinformation war on west European and US democracies, things will have gone so perfect that many conspiracy theories will emerge on how US / NATO goaded a mentally unstable and sick Putin into jumping off the ledge and into a well laid trap.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

BERLIN (Reuters) - Ukraine has received an offer of a sizeable shipment of self-propelled howitzer weapons from a German armaments company, a German government source said on Sunday. German weekly Welt am Sonntag had reported on Saturday that armaments manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann offered 100 howitzers, a type of artillery weapon, to Ukraine, quoting anonymous government sources in Kyiv.

These would be Pzh 2000s, the latest NATO self propelled howitzer, able to shoot 150mm shells 40+ miles 10x a minute. German approval of this, and quick delivery, would provide Ukraine with just the tool they need to break up any further Russian offensives.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000

 

[mustang_hawk]

I’d prefer he die.

Correct, only as the results of a coup.

 

[The Tradition]

BERLIN (Reuters) - Ukraine has received an offer of a sizeable shipment of self-propelled howitzer weapons from a German armaments company, a German government source said on Sunday. German weekly Welt am Sonntag had reported on Saturday that armaments manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann offered 100 howitzers, a type of artillery weapon, to Ukraine, quoting anonymous government sources in Kyiv.

These would be Pzh 2000s, the latest NATO self propelled howitzer, able to shoot 150mm shells 40+ miles 10x a minute. German approval of this, and quick delivery, would provide Ukraine with just the tool they need to break up any further Russian offensives.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000

40 miles? That means you could comfortably be in range to bomb Iowa City from Muscatine.

And for our Florida peeps, you could bomb Tallahassee from Thomasville.

 

[Tenacious E]

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[Tenacious E]

40 miles? That means you could comfortably be in range to bomb Iowa City from Muscatine.

And for our Florida peeps, you could bomb Tallahassee from Thomasville.

More importantly, we could wage an all out offensive on Ames from the DSM metro.

 

[Slappy Pappy]

40 miles? That means you could comfortably be in range to bomb Iowa City from Muscatine.

And for our Florida peeps, you could bomb Tallahassee from Thomasville.

For comparisons sake, the Czechs just gave Ukraine 16 of their wheeled 152mm SpGH DANA self-propelled guns, that can shoot 12 miles 3x a minute, while Russia has several hundred 2S19 Msta 152mm tracked guns, which can shoot 18 miles 6-8x a minute. The Pzh 2000's regular range is 25 miles, with special shells hitting targets much further.

 

[Aardvark86]

Your post flashed me back to a bunch of “Polack” jokes that made the rounds in my childhood, such as “change a light bulb” etc…
They are no joke.
The Polish nation is a serious player and I applaud them.

I love a good polish joke (how many slices do you want me to cut your pizza into, 8 or 10? Better make it 8 as I couldn’t eat 10) but it is truly an extraordinary culture that a lot of countries would do well to imitate.

speaking of light bulb joke, here’s an awesome set of variations

TheSabre.com

University of Virginia football, basketball, and recruiting

virginia.sportswar.com

 

[billanole]

BERLIN (Reuters) - Ukraine has received an offer of a sizeable shipment of self-propelled howitzer weapons from a German armaments company, a German government source said on Sunday. German weekly Welt am Sonntag had reported on Saturday that armaments manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann offered 100 howitzers, a type of artillery weapon, to Ukraine, quoting anonymous government sources in Kyiv.

These would be Pzh 2000s, the latest NATO self propelled howitzer, able to shoot 150mm shells 40+ miles 10x a minute. German approval of this, and quick delivery, would provide Ukraine with just the tool they need to break up any further Russian offensives.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000

Cry havoc and set loose the dogs of war.
I wait with “baited” breath” for word of the new Russian theatre commander’s demise.
He is in fact being baited into more missteps, I hope.
That would show pootin the futility of his fallacy and foreshadow his future failings in full.

 

[Aardvark86]

@Moral @IACub

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My dog is actually half Ukrainian.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Analysis: 1st US ambassador to Ukraine -- 'I think we handled it wrong from the get-go'

Ukraine's first President, waiting to see America's 41st, chatted with a White House press aide -- in Ukrainian. George H.W. Bush's deputy secretary of state didn't need to hear more.

amp.cnn.com

 

[billanole]

More importantly, we could wage an all out offensive on Ames from the DSM metro.

So, a battery just south of Lake City and one on the north edge of Ocala and Gunsville will fall to the Tribe. Go Noles!

 

[h-hawk]

I grew up 25 miles from Council Bluffs/Omaha. I am still impressed that an Iowa class battleship can throw a 2,400 pound shell (like a Volkswagen) more than that distance.

 

[h-hawk]

 

[billanole]

I grew up 25 miles from Council Bluffs/Omaha. I am still impressed that an Iowa class battleship can throw a 2,400 pound shell (like a Volkswagen) more than that distance.

The powder behind that beast could surely fuel a village for a day…

 

[billanole]

My dog is actually half Ukrainian.

Woof!

 

[billanole]

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Please, let it be so.

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[Slappy Pappy]

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Sullivan: Intel indicates plan from ‘highest levels’ of Russian government to target civilians​

“We, in fact, before the war began, declassified intelligence and presented it indicating that there was a plan from the highest levels of the Russian government to target civilians who oppose the invasion, to cause violence against them,” he said. “To organize efforts to brutalize them in order to try to terrorize the population and subjugate it.

When Putin's public aims from day 1 are to "denazify," we can't be too shocked that he would label anyone that opposes his invasion a "nazi."

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[86Hawkeye]

Ukraine's top uniformed military chief.

 

[mnole03]

The Baltics are fearless.

 

[Tom Paris]

Cry havoc and set loose the dogs of war.
I wait with “baited” breath” for word of the new Russian theatre commander’s demise.
He is in fact being baited into more missteps, I hope.
That would show pootin the futility of his fallacy and foreshadow his future failings in full.

 

[Tom Paris]

Again, thanks to everyone for sharing so much in this thread.

For those that are able to get a good sense of what's happening, who do you think will ultimately win this war? At this point is Ukraine doing what they need to do, with help from others, to hold onto their country?

 

[86Hawkeye]

Analysis: 1st US ambassador to Ukraine -- 'I think we handled it wrong from the get-go'

Ukraine's first President, waiting to see America's 41st, chatted with a White House press aide -- in Ukrainian. George H.W. Bush's deputy secretary of state didn't need to hear more.

amp.cnn.com

Many mistakes were made:

Other errors followed, flowing largely from the impulse to maintain a positive US-Russia relationship. President George W. Bush, who famously said he had peered into Vladimir Putin's soul, reacted cautiously to Russia's 2008 invasion of Georgia. President Barack Obama, who sought a "reset" with the Kremlin, did the same after Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine.

"Both administrations fell short in realizing the threat," Popadiuk concludes.

President Donald Trump exacerbated domestic divisions that Putin has counted on to weaken America's response to his aggression. That included Trump's own impeachment over his attempt to squeeze Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for political favors.

But Popadiuk doesn't think Trump's presidency fundamentally affected Putin's calculations. Nor does he blame President Bill Clinton's support for expanding the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to include Ukraine, among other nations in Eastern Europe.

Russia's historic desire to control Ukraine, he explains, runs deeper than any of those developments. That's why he faults President Joe Biden, who released so much accurate intelligence about Putin's intentionbefore the war, for not acting on it by preemptively providing more military aid.

"If you knew they were going to attack Ukraine, why didn't you give them everything they needed ahead of time?" Popadiuk says. "We needed to get ahead of him."

 

[billanole]

Ukraine's top uniformed military chief.

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Dearest pootin, this is the picture in the dictionary when you research #$@uggin Bad Ace!!
He is presiding over perhaps the biggest underdawg applied ace kicking in memory.

 

[86Hawkeye]

The Baltics are fearless.

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I think someone said it on HROT early on in this war, these former eastern block countries feel like they're playing with house money. They certainly want to cause pain for Russia.

 

[ericram]

Again, thanks to everyone for sharing so much in this thread.

For those that are able to get a good sense of what's happening, who do you think will ultimately win this war? At this point is Ukraine doing what they need to do, with help from others, to hold onto their country?

There is so much info added to this thread I have a hard time keeping up. 👏

 

[billanole]

The Baltics are fearless.

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Lotta peeps stepping into the breech. Amazing. Historic. Brave.
The many against the bully.
It is like a motley crew, each contributing their small bit of the harvest to produce a big pot full of whoop azz.

Fill your cups, Ukraine, and God’s Speed to your cause.

 

[Joes Place]

Again, thanks to everyone for sharing so much in this thread.

For those that are able to get a good sense of what's happening, who do you think will ultimately win this war? At this point is Ukraine doing what they need to do, with help from others, to hold onto their country?

If the West does not win this war, then the world will continue to spiral into autocracy.

That will spell the end of everything, once nuclear-armed autocrats decide to go after one another.

 

[billanole]

Thanks Tom, my terminology was off.

 

[Elvishawk]

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Retired 4 star General Jack Keane on US strategy before and after start of war in Ukraine.

Sorry, can't get the video to embed

 

[billanole]

Again, thanks to everyone for sharing so much in this thread.

For those that are able to get a good sense of what's happening, who do you think will ultimately win this war? At this point is Ukraine doing what they need to do, with help from others, to hold onto their country?

This is, in fact, a very organic thread that has evolved, energized, entertained, informed, inspired, and given solace to many. Kudos @Nole Lou for birthing this thing.

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[86Hawkeye]

I was actually thinking, if Ukraine wins another giant battle with the regathering but depleted forces in East Ukraine, basically the entire Russian Army will be both eviscerated and shown to be a paper Tiger. If this coupled with the sanctions results in Putin’s overthrow and an end to his 20 plus year disinformation war on west European and US democracies, things will have gone so perfect that many conspiracy theories will emerge on how US / NATO goaded a mentally unstable and sick Putin into jumping off the ledge and into a well laid trap.

I've actually thought about the possibility that Putin was goaded into this fiasco. I don't find it very likely at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's started feeling that way. Despite all the human suffering, the strategic ramifications for Russia have been disastrous.

 

[billanole]

I've actually thought about the possibility that Putin was goaded into this fiasco. I don't find it very likely at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's started feeling that way. Despite all the human suffering, the strategic ramifications for Russia have been disastrous.

The historic set back for the Russian people’s standard of living and quality of life will likely impact generations.
pootin has unknowingly sped up the process of minimizing the need for petro, increased home grown food production in other lands, and pulled back the curtain on his processes of political disruption in other countries.
If only other countries would understand…
Russia relies on export of commodities, grain, weaponry, and misconduct. If those markets are minimized, the country will continue down the path of ruination pootin has already plotted.