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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

A still active MiG-29MU1 fighter
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of the 40th Tactical Aviation Brigade, damaged by shrapnel. As you can see, repaired cannibalized parts of other jets. The military machine is not immortal, I say again help
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or this will end badly.


 
I didn't realize until this war how Germany had let their military go to hell. Was that under Merkel?
What is frightening is that German apparently could not have held up any of its army responsibilities had NATO been attacked. Hope this will change NATO's readiness awareness and that Germany will be held to their boost in military spending.
Merkel was in power for 16 years, so yes, under Merkel.
 
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It’s pretty much ingrained in them to avoid conflict, seek peaceful resolution.

Couple world wars as the aggressor left a mark.

Seevice in the military is disdained and looked down upon. I could go on….

Wife and I watch a couple German news shows every week and they are waking up to the fact that they have to look to defense but there’s still an entrenched faction that’ll be tough to overcome
77 years after WW2 and they still have no moral compass.
 
I went when I was in college. It was fun, I had a good time, but it's a lot like New Year's Eve. It's amateur hour and overrated. The beer halls were much more interesting when it wasn't Octoberfest. Now, if getting shitcanned, stumbling around in thousands of other people's piss and puke, and trying to stumble back to where ever you are staying is your thing, have at it. But you really don't need to travel 7000 miles to do that. But if you want to listen to polka music, drink some beer, and eat some whole chickens, literally any other time of the year is better.
Germany parties while 🇺🇸 taxpayers pay for their defense.
 
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I didn't realize until this war how Germany had let their military go to hell. Was that under Merkel?
What is frightening is that German apparently could not have held up any of its army responsibilities had NATO been attacked. Hope this will change NATO's readiness awareness and that Germany will be held to their boost in military spending.
I thought the whole "NATO countries not holding up their ends" was just a big fib a few years ago
 
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I know there was a discussion of Ukraine's natural resources earlier so maybe this was already posted.
FU0mrFJWAAI04VY
 
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I didn't realize until this war how Germany had let their military go to hell. Was that under Merkel?
What is frightening is that German apparently could not have held up any of its army responsibilities had NATO been attacked. Hope this will change NATO's readiness awareness and that Germany will be held to their boost in military spending.
That was my takeaway too. I was under the impression there was a nato standard for weapons, yet they say their missile system can't accept us or British missiles until winter because of software upgrades needed... wow.
 
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I know there was a discussion of Ukraine's natural resources earlier so maybe this was already posted.
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Putin thinks capturing this is bigger than it really is for Russia’s long term prosperity. The world is transitioning.
 
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77 years after WW2 and they still have no moral compass.
The moral compass was set to be pacifist/anti nationalism after WW2 and that's how the world wanted it.

Anti-nationalism is a good thing....taken to the Germans extreme it's created a disdain for the military. It's considered a job/career for only deadbeats. The only time Germans wave the Flag is for the national soccer team. At other times it's considered extremely uncouth.

Somewhere in the middle is probably the correct spot.


A good example is the German national anthem.

The Music has been the same since 1922.

Here are the original lyrics

Germany, Germany above all,
above all else in the world,
When it steadfastly holds together,
offensively and defensively,
with brotherhood.
From the Maas to the Memel,
from the Etsch to the [Little] Belt,
Germany, Germany above all,
above all else in the world.

After WW2 they eliminated those lyrics and went with the third verse only...

Unity and rights and freedom
for the German fatherland.
Let us strive for it together,
brotherly with heart and hand.
Unity and rights and freedom
are the basis of good fortune.
Flower in the light of this good fortune,
flower German fatherland.



It is actually illegal to sing the original.
 
The moral compass was set to be pacifist/anti nationalism after WW2 and that's how the world wanted it.

Anti-nationalism is a good thing....taken to the Germans extreme it's created a disdain for the military. It's considered a job/career for only deadbeats. The only time Germans wave the Flag is for the national soccer team. At other times it's considered extremely uncouth.

Somewhere in the middle is probably the correct spot.


A good example is the German national anthem.

The Music has been the same since 1922.

Here are the original lyrics

Germany, Germany above all,
above all else in the world,
When it steadfastly holds together,
offensively and defensively,
with brotherhood.
From the Maas to the Memel,
from the Etsch to the [Little] Belt,
Germany, Germany above all,
above all else in the world.


After WW2 they eliminated those lyrics and went with the third verse only...

Unity and rights and freedom
for the German fatherland.
Let us strive for it together,
brotherly with heart and hand.
Unity and rights and freedom
are the basis of good fortune.
Flower in the light of this good fortune,
flower German fatherland.



It is actually illegal to sing the original.
Like I said……..
 
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Germany parties while 🇺🇸 taxpayers pay for their defense.
Oh please, let’s not act like we were doing this out of the goodness of our hearts. For a lot of years after WW2 Europe and the US didn’t want a militarily strong Germany. Europe became ground zero in the Cold War, if things between us and Russia became active conflict, it was going to be Europe that paid the price first.

The US got army, navy and air bases in return for our contribution. And a place to park some of our nukes. A peaceful secure Europe was as much in our best interest as it was in theirs. Without the NATO countries our defense costs would have been higher. So spare me the crap of it was on the backs of the US taxpayers. We benefited just like Europe.
 
I thought the whole "NATO countries not holding up their ends" was just a big fib a few years ago
Then you weren't listening, which I'm not surprised about. Trump wasn't wrong to raise the alarm that only the US and the UK were properly funding NATO, at least of the major countries involved. He also wasn't wrong to argue that our trade agreements with China were out of whack. The problem was that he was extremely ill equipped to properly handle them. Trump only has one tool and it's a grenade to either threaten people with or blow things up. The problem was that he kept saying he was just going to pull the US out of NATO just like he pulled us out of the Paris Climate Accords, just like he invalidated the treaty with Iran (That's had disastrous effects). There were no treaties that he felt were worth honoring. I'm fairly certain that given 4 more years he'd have done everything within his power to destroy NATO, Remove us from the UN (Which who knows what real benefit it brings) and try to make the US as isolationist as possible.

Some people would have loved that, but it feels like a really poor plan for the future.
 
Oh please, let’s not act like we were doing this out of the goodness of our hearts. For a lot of years after WW2 Europe and the US didn’t want a militarily strong Germany. Europe became ground zero in the Cold War, if things between us and Russia became active conflict, it was going to be Europe that paid the price first.

The US got army, navy and air bases in return for our contribution. And a place to park some of our nukes. A peaceful secure Europe was as much in our best interest as it was in theirs. Without the NATO countries our defense costs would have been higher. So spare me the crap of it was on the backs of the US taxpayers. We benefited just like Europe.
The Cold War ended 30+ years ago. It’s been time for Germany to grow up.

They’re so morally lost they can’t respond appropriately to evil when it stares them in the face.
 
The problem was that he kept saying he was just going to pull the US out of NATO just like he pulled us out of the Paris Climate Accords, just like he invalidated the treaty with Iran (That's had disastrous effects). There were no treaties that he felt were worth honoring. I'm fairly certain that given 4 more years he'd have done everything within his power to destroy NATO, Remove us from the UN (Which who knows what real benefit it brings) and try to make the US as isolationist as possible.

Some people would have loved that, but it feels like a really poor plan for the future.
People love to conflate non-interventionist with isolationist.

Being non-interventionist doesn’t require being isolationist.

Switzerland trades with the world, but they don’t bomb and invade the world.
 
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Fapping material for kremlinole97:



This is the show that threatens everything without coming through, so them saying it makes it more likely to not happen.
 
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While I fully agree, I also worry the next guy will be the same or worse.
yeah, at this point I think this goes deeper than Putin. Unless there's a major coupe from opposition who would lead a more liberal society then I don't think the solution is just Putin dying. It's going to require Russia being beaten and we have to recognize that they're no longer a country we can trust as a modern European society. We tried and they rejected it. They are Imperialistic by nature and until they modernize it's going to be a problem.

And now that they've officially threatened Nuclear war on the world, that's something we're going to have to find a way to deal with. It's apparent that at least a portion of their society finds it's use warranted and worth the risk. Granted there are those in the US who say stupid stuff like we should just Nuke the middle east, but you don't hear it from our television and government officials.
 
Why? Without the European bases the US would probably have had to greatly increase its investment in naval assets to counter the Soviet Union. It’s not like we got nothing in return for our investment in NATO.
But the Soviets always had a poop navy. It was never going to make them a threat to invade the U.S.
Their big threat was being able to send out subs to interdict our transfer and resupply to Europe.

If the Russians had airfields in Nicaragua then we’d face an entirely different threat.
Miami, Atlanta and Houston would then sit under the same missile threat that Kiev, Odessa and Lviv enjoy.

Would probably mean they’d fix up Tyndall a bit quicker, and send in some more fighter squadrons to the panhandle at least, right?

How do we expect the Biden White House to react if Ortega does actually entertain Russian bases?
 
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