700 pages. Wow.Slava Ukraini.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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"Further explosions in Russian warehouses in Donetsk."
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Haven't seen this interactive Map on here before...pretty cool.
Lot's of shelling down in the south east...
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Lot's of shelling down in the south east...
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In on page 700. The best thread in my time on HORT/HROT. Let’s keep it going until Ukraine is victorious.
700! I thought Ukraine would be done before page 100, happy to be wrong!
"Spending summertime in Dubai heat is like super awesome!"
-Something NoHo Hank would say
Someone is asking to fall out of a window
Quasi-states? Piss off. They are a Ukrainian.
Update on The Three A-holes visit to Kyiv
They are right, the war is increasing inflation.
But that is a small price to pay for freedom and liberty.
If that's their concern, then send in troops, planes and assets to scrub the Russian forces outside Russian territory into dust. Eliminate the Russian forces in Crimea - scrub the base.
Easy Peasy.
Defense funds need to be moved from R&D to procurement for a while.
I don’t know about that. I am for keeping the R&D dollars and also doing procurement. We are in a time of war.
The Biden administration’s plan to sell four large, armable drones to Ukraine has been paused on the fear its sophisticated surveillance equipment might fall into enemy hands, according to two people familiar with the matter.
The technical objection to the sale was raised during a deeper review by the Pentagon’s Defense Technology Security Administration charged with keeping high value technology safe from enemy hands. Previously the plan, which has been circulating since March, had been approved by the White House, three people said.
The plan to sell Ukraine four MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones that can be armed with Hellfire missiles for battlefield use against Russia was first reported by Reuters earlier in June.
The objection to the export of the drones arose due to concerns the radar and surveillance equipment on the drones could create a security risk for the United States if it fell into Russian hands.
The sources said this consideration had been overlooked in the initial review but came up in meetings at the Pentagon late last week.
“Technology security reviews are a standard practice for the transfer of U.S. defense articles to all international partners. All cases are reviewed individually on their own merit. Through the established process, national security concerns are elevated to the appropriate approving authority,” said Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough.
The decision on whether or not to continue with the deal is now being reviewed higher up the chain of command at the Pentagon, but the timing of any decision is uncertain, one of the people a U.S. official said on condition of anonymity.
One solution to move the sale forward would be to swap out the existing radar and sensor package for something less sophisticated, but that could take months to complete, one of the sources.
If the case to sell the drones is allowed to progress, Congress would be given a chance to block it, though that was seen as unlikely.
The four General Atomics-made Gray Eagle drones were originally slated to go to the U.S. Army, people familiar with the process said.
According to Army budget documents, the Gray Eagles cost $10 million each.
Reuters - (Reporting by Mike Stone in St. Louis; Editing by Marguerita Choy)
The technical objection to the sale was raised during a deeper review by the Pentagon’s Defense Technology Security Administration charged with keeping high value technology safe from enemy hands. Previously the plan, which has been circulating since March, had been approved by the White House, three people said.
The plan to sell Ukraine four MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones that can be armed with Hellfire missiles for battlefield use against Russia was first reported by Reuters earlier in June.
The objection to the export of the drones arose due to concerns the radar and surveillance equipment on the drones could create a security risk for the United States if it fell into Russian hands.
The sources said this consideration had been overlooked in the initial review but came up in meetings at the Pentagon late last week.
“Technology security reviews are a standard practice for the transfer of U.S. defense articles to all international partners. All cases are reviewed individually on their own merit. Through the established process, national security concerns are elevated to the appropriate approving authority,” said Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough.
The decision on whether or not to continue with the deal is now being reviewed higher up the chain of command at the Pentagon, but the timing of any decision is uncertain, one of the people a U.S. official said on condition of anonymity.
One solution to move the sale forward would be to swap out the existing radar and sensor package for something less sophisticated, but that could take months to complete, one of the sources.
If the case to sell the drones is allowed to progress, Congress would be given a chance to block it, though that was seen as unlikely.
The four General Atomics-made Gray Eagle drones were originally slated to go to the U.S. Army, people familiar with the process said.
According to Army budget documents, the Gray Eagles cost $10 million each.
Reuters - (Reporting by Mike Stone in St. Louis; Editing by Marguerita Choy)
Is this Ukrainian propaganda to try and get more western military deliveries?
Or are they being ground down as well?
Ukraine has lost up to half of its heavy weapons and Western supplies are unable to fill the gap, military has said
Ukraine has lost up to 50% of its heavy-weapons stock, including 400 tanks, the country’s land forces command logistics commander, Volodymyr Karpenko, revealed earlier this week amid the ongoing Russian military offensive in his country.
In an interview with National Defense Magazine, Karpenko said that “as a result of active combat,” equipment losses have amounted to 30-40%, sometimes up to 50%.
Ukraine’s deputy minister of defense Denys Sharapov in the same interview revealed that Western supplies do not cover Ukraine’s needs.
“We have received a large number of weapon systems, but unfortunately with such a massively expendable resource, it only covers 10 to 15 percent of our needs,” Sharapov said.
He did not disclose the exact number of heavy weapons Kiev needs but stressed that the “need for heavy artillery systems is measured by hundreds.”
“We need artillery, we need artillery rounds, infantry fighting vehicles, combat vehicles, tanks. We really need air-defense systems and the multiple-launch rocket system,” he said.
Supply of high-precision weapon systems would also be important, Sharapov added, as the Ukrainian military believes that such systems would give it “an edge over the enemy, the upper hand in this war.”
Or are they being ground down as well?
Ukraine has lost up to half of its heavy weapons and Western supplies are unable to fill the gap, military has said
Ukraine has lost up to 50% of its heavy-weapons stock, including 400 tanks, the country’s land forces command logistics commander, Volodymyr Karpenko, revealed earlier this week amid the ongoing Russian military offensive in his country.
In an interview with National Defense Magazine, Karpenko said that “as a result of active combat,” equipment losses have amounted to 30-40%, sometimes up to 50%.
Ukraine’s deputy minister of defense Denys Sharapov in the same interview revealed that Western supplies do not cover Ukraine’s needs.
“We have received a large number of weapon systems, but unfortunately with such a massively expendable resource, it only covers 10 to 15 percent of our needs,” Sharapov said.
He did not disclose the exact number of heavy weapons Kiev needs but stressed that the “need for heavy artillery systems is measured by hundreds.”
“We need artillery, we need artillery rounds, infantry fighting vehicles, combat vehicles, tanks. We really need air-defense systems and the multiple-launch rocket system,” he said.
Supply of high-precision weapon systems would also be important, Sharapov added, as the Ukrainian military believes that such systems would give it “an edge over the enemy, the upper hand in this war.”
Tom Cooper, who writes a lot about the Arab Air Forces during the Cold War, gives his view on the performance of both the VVS and the PSU:
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-failure-of-air-power-during-the-russia-ukraine-war/
Also talks about the Kh-22 being fired by the Tu-22Ms (which have a CEP of 3 miles)
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/rus...le-of-3-miles-they-are-missing-their-targets/
Edited to add:
In the military science of ballistics, circular error probable (CEP) (also circular error probability or circle of equal probability) is an intuitive measure of a weapon system's precision. It is defined as the radius of a circle, centered about the mean, whose boundary is expected to include the landing points of 50% of the rounds.
Utility of a hypersonic missile you can’t aim? Basically good for nukes, and really not good for that…
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-failure-of-air-power-during-the-russia-ukraine-war/
Also talks about the Kh-22 being fired by the Tu-22Ms (which have a CEP of 3 miles)
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/rus...le-of-3-miles-they-are-missing-their-targets/
Edited to add:
In the military science of ballistics, circular error probable (CEP) (also circular error probability or circle of equal probability) is an intuitive measure of a weapon system's precision. It is defined as the radius of a circle, centered about the mean, whose boundary is expected to include the landing points of 50% of the rounds.
Utility of a hypersonic missile you can’t aim? Basically good for nukes, and really not good for that…
Oh, sorry your countries are having a hard time economically. Must be tough not having to fight a war to keep your independence for simply trying to better yourself.
Again, piss off France and Germany.
How exactly are you going to replace all the equipment being lost in Ukraine?
Add it the budget. Now's not the time to be lagging in tech, especially in terms of defense.
Another I hope this is true-LOL.
