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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Bet someone like Steelrain will know the differences but these appear to be similar to what the US and UK are also supplying in low numbers to Ukraine.



"The MARS II/MLRS-E rocket launcher unites maximum precision with long range. This artillery system is the advancement of the basic MLRS system, which was developed by the partner nations Germany, France, the United Kingdom, the USA and Italy in the early 1980s and introduced in the US armed forces in 1983.

Facts about the MARS II/MLRS-E​

In service with artillery troops for over 25 years​

The MLRS has been in use in Germany since 1990 under the designation MARS – Medium Artillery Rocket System.
During networked operating command, the MARS was an effective partner for engaging area targets in conflict scenarios in general and operative fire missions. MARS can fire different types of ammunition at individual targets over distances of 10 to 40 km.
MARS II/MLRS-E and the new GMLRS (Guided Multiple-Launch Rocket System): The development and procurement of modern GMLRS rockets required upgrades to the MLRS launcher, which now bears the name MARS II/MLRS-E. MARS II/MLRS-E in combination with GMLRS enables the high-precision engagement of point and individual targets (artillery sniper weapon).
In cooperation with various European partners, KMW upgraded and modernised the MLRS for several nations:
  • Germany: from MARS to MARS II/MLRS-E
  • Italy: from MLRS to MLRS Improved
  • France: from MLRS to Lance Roquette Unitaire (LRU)
https://www.kmweg.com/systems-products/tracked-vehicles/artillery/mars-ii-mlrs-e/

 
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I can work our vacation last week into the thread. (Don't worry-no slides!)
When we sent down to Port Arthur, Tx seashore, we had to drive through refineries. There were several of what I think were LNG tankers there.
Later that day when leaving the Louisiana coast, we saw this huge LPG tanker loading up - the BW Pavilian.
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I can work our vacation last week into the thread. (Don't worry-no slides!)
When we sent down to Port Arthur, Tx seashore, we had to drive through refineries. There were several of what I think were LNG tankers there.
Later that day when leaving the Louisiana coast, we saw this huge LPG tanker loading up - the BW Pavilian.
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Which is why Germany is firing up the coal plants...

 
Are the Germans off the shit list yet? :)
They have been slow to react, and their messaging has been miserable. I suspect that might be part of the transition to a new government after Merkle being in charge for so many years.
Forget the weaponry, I have been surprised that the Germans have not been pouring in more food and medical aid. There is no controversy or harm in medical supplies, is there?
 
They have been slow to react, and their messaging has been miserable. I suspect that might be part of the transition to a new government after Merkle being in charge for so many years.
Forget the weaponry, I have been surprised that the Germans have not been pouring in more food and medical aid. There is no controversy or harm in medical supplies, is there?
I think they've done pretty well in the humanitarian realm...


World’s second-largest humanitarian donor​

The German Government is providing the financial assistance for Ukraine in addition to its commitments in other crises. Because the situation in countries such as Yemen, Syria or Afghanistan is also worsening owing to the recent surge in wheat and food prices caused in no small part by the war in Ukraine. The Federal Foreign Office will therefore this year maintain its high level of commitment in these areas, too, as the world’s second-largest humanitarian donor.

 
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Probably a real headache for Ukrainian maintenance troops to maintain all the different types of equipment from different manufacturers ect...

I'd say it's easier to train them to use the stuff and much more difficult to train them to maintain it properly....add to that lack of parts and you have a problem...

There's just no easy replacement for "experienced" maintainers.

Might have to get those evil "contractors" in there somehow to provide some expertise.

If they can't keep their equipment to a high "mission capable rate" that's a serious problem moving forward...
It is important to keep NATO soldiers out of Ukraine. I am surprised, however, that we are not hearing of contractors working in Ukraine. Not on the frontlines, but 50 miles or so from the frontlines, or in Odessa, Kiev and Lviv.
Perhaps there isn't money to do that?
 
It is important to keep NATO soldiers out of Ukraine. I am surprised, however, that we are not hearing of contractors working in Ukraine. Not on the frontlines, but 50 miles or so from the frontlines, or in Odessa, Kiev and Lviv.
Perhaps there isn't money to do that?
I've been wondering about that myself. It would certainly solve some problems for the Ukrainians.
 
I think they've done pretty well in the humanitarian realm...


World’s second-largest humanitarian donor​

The German Government is providing the financial assistance for Ukraine in addition to its commitments in other crises. Because the situation in countries such as Yemen, Syria or Afghanistan is also worsening owing to the recent surge in wheat and food prices caused in no small part by the war in Ukraine. The Federal Foreign Office will therefore this year maintain its high level of commitment in these areas, too, as the world’s second-largest humanitarian donor.

If the Ukrainians take back an entire city, how will Putin spin that as a victory?
 
I think they've done pretty well in the humanitarian realm...


World’s second-largest humanitarian donor​

The German Government is providing the financial assistance for Ukraine in addition to its commitments in other crises. Because the situation in countries such as Yemen, Syria or Afghanistan is also worsening owing to the recent surge in wheat and food prices caused in no small part by the war in Ukraine. The Federal Foreign Office will therefore this year maintain its high level of commitment in these areas, too, as the world’s second-largest humanitarian donor.

Thanks. I was in part reacting to h-hawks post on the previous page. The medical supplies listed seem skimpy. A lot of the European nations should be pitching in more medical supplies.
 
Can someone articulate why Snake Island is so coveted? Is it for show/morale, or is it pivotal to the defense/invasion of Ukraine?
Snake Island is a small rock with big significance. If Putin’s army is able to set up long-range air defenses and other military supplies there, that could cripple Kyiv’s ability to defend the entire southwestern coast, including Odesa, Ukraine’s largest port.

But Russian control over Snake Island is also a problem for the rest of us. Moscow is using it to help support a naval blockade against Ukraine that keeps vital exports of grain and cooking oils from reaching the rest of the world.

 
Snake Island is a small rock with big significance. If Putin’s army is able to set up long-range air defenses and other military supplies there, that could cripple Kyiv’s ability to defend the entire southwestern coast, including Odesa, Ukraine’s largest port.

But Russian control over Snake Island is also a problem for the rest of us. Moscow is using it to help support a naval blockade against Ukraine that keeps vital exports of grain and cooking oils from reaching the rest of the world.

Thanks. Just seems like who ever holds it is going to be the recipient of missile/rocket attacks, especially when Ukraine does not currently have much of a Navy.
 
If the Ukrainians take back an entire city, how will Putin spin that as a victory?
He won't, he'll just shell it until it's a useless pile of rubble and let them keep it. It'll cost more to rebuild than it was ever worth.
 
Thanks. Just seems like who ever holds it is going to be the r
Thanks. Just seems like who ever holds it is going to be the recipient of missile/rocket attacks, especially when Ukraine does not currently have much of a Navy.

recipient of missile/rocket attacks, especially when Ukraine does not currently have much of a Navy.
This is how I view it too-it is small and vulnerable so it was only practical for Russia to hold it when they controlled the waters around it. But with Ukraine chasing away the fleet, and now having weapons that can shell it, IMHO it's importance has dropped.
 
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