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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Defeating fascist insurrectionists by any means necessary should be a strategy for ALL Americans, regardless of political affinity.

If helping those insurrectionist-supporting anti-American Republicans win primaries so the general electorate sees their anti-democracy, horrific agenda and votes against them is the best way to do so, so be it.

Maybe you should spend more time helping moderate Republican candidates get some traction with their brainwashed, idiotic rural base.
Ds are funding them, spending millions advertising for them, as if that’s good for the country. Huge hypocrites just like you.
 
Ds are funding them, spending millions advertising for them. Huge hypocrites just like you.
LOL

The GOP opened to door to unlimited dark money political fundraising and now you want to call it hypocritical to use that method to defeat political opponents by any means necessary.

You are a special level of ignorant.

Dems know that the radical right wing agenda is wildly unpopular. It is also the radical right wing agenda that OWNS the GOP primaries. Good on the Dems for exposing that rot to the sunlight and letting the GENERAL ELECTION voters have their say.

It's not the Dems fault the idiotic "mainstream" Republicans let their entire party be hijacked and subsequently subjugated by an atavistic, amoral, non-conservative, grifting clown with the emotional maturity of a toddler with attention deficit disorder and sociopathic tendencies.

F-----ing deal with it.
 
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The GOP opened to door to unlimited dark money political fundraising and now you want to call it hypocritical to use that method to defeat political opponents by any means necessary.

You are a special level of ignorant.

Dems know that the radical right wing agenda is wildly unpopular. It is also the radical right wing agenda that OWNS the GOP primaries. Good on the Dems for exposing that rot to the sunlight and letting the GENERAL ELECTION voters have their say.

It's not the Dems fault the idiotic "mainstream" Republicans let their entire party be hijacked and subsequently subjugated by an atavistic, amoral, non-conservative, grifting clown with the emotional maturity of a toddler with attention deficit disorder and sociopathic tendencies.

F-----ing deal with it.
The D's are part of the problem doing this. You are part of the problem. Donate money to D's and part of that money goes to maga or worse radicals.
 
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If helping those insurrectionist-supporting anti-American Republicans win primaries so the general electorate sees their anti-democracy, horrific agenda and votes against them is the best way to do so, so be it.
Yes...help them win primaries so you can show what a threat to democracy they are...

Seems a bit hypocritical and heaven forbid they win....
 
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Yes...help them win primaries so you can show what a threat to democracy they are...

Seems a bit hypocritical and heaven forbid they win....
There is no hypocrisy in playing the game to win utilizing the best possible strategy.

Hypocrisy would be pretending they aren't a threat to America and they are actually conservatives just because they have an R behind their name and you as a conservative have generally aligned with the GOP.

In other words:

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There is no hypocrisy in playing the game to win utilizing the best possible strategy.

Hypocrisy would be pretending they aren't a threat to America and they are actually conservatives just because they have an R behind their name and you as a conservative have generally aligned with the GOP.

In other words:

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We'll see if it "was the best strategy".

If some of those clowns actually win I'd argue it was an insanely stupid strategy but we'll see...
 
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We'll see if it "was the best strategy".

If some of those clowns actually win I'd argue it was an insanely stupid strategy but we'll see...
Risk/Reward.

Politics is often insanely stupid :)

And I'm at the point where if some of those clowns actually win, I'll just admit we get the representation we deserve.
 
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Risk/Reward.

Politics is often insanely stupid :)

And I'm at the point where if some of those clowns actually win, I'll just admit we get the representation we deserve.
Just defeat them in the primaries and be done with them.
 
There is no hypocrisy in playing the game to win utilizing the best possible strategy.

Hypocrisy would be pretending they aren't a threat to America and they are actually conservatives just because they have an R behind their name and you as a conservative have generally aligned with the GOP.

In other words:

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So on one hand, these radicals are a huge threat to America but on the other hand D's are supporting them giving them millions and somehow that's smart. You can't be this dumb. Some of these candidates would have virtually no money without the D's.
 
Just defeat them in the primaries and be done with them.
Last post on this subject, I promise!

But Illinois is a good example. Even without the Pritzker money (which I actually agree was an obscenely ridiculous amount to spend on an opponent's primary, you'll get no argument from me) that crazy downstate racist cowboy was going to win anyway. There is NO WAY the GOP base from downstate Illinois (the core constituency of the Republicans in Illinois) was going to allow a black dude from Aurora to run against Pritzker.

So nudging the odds so they go from "extremely unlikely" to "absolutely impossible" by throwing some money into the pot is just sound strategy, as any sports bettor who hedges knows.
 
So on one hand, these radicals are a huge threat to America but on the other hand D's are supporting them giving them millions and somehow that's smart. You can't be this dumb. Some of these candidates would have virtually no money without the D's.
But by their rationale (backed no doubt by polling and other data) they are not supporting them. Giving the money is merely assuring their defeat, thus removing the threat.

Again, this is a numbers/game theory approach.
 
It is, but US politics will have a major role on the length of and ultimate success or failure of the conflict. So discussing it is germane to the subject, IMO.
I’m remarkably impressed with how quickly the neocons found us a new proxy war seeing as how we were on our way out in Afghanistan and can’t figure out how to get off the pot in Syria.
 
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We'll see if it "was the best strategy".

If some of those clowns actually win I'd argue it was an insanely stupid strategy but we'll see...
It's insanely stupid either way. There's a culture war going on in this country and D's are spending millions to keep it going. The country needs moderates to win.
 
I think this group has lost it.

"The "Rusky" early warning system attempts to intercept HITMARS missiles with its anti-air defense. Here we have them in action Battery "Zombi"... up to the ass of all inclusive washing machine detergent."
 
Sure was.

The Trumpist takeover of the GOP was rendered complete in that year. Remember how on Jan. 6 a bunch of Republican Congress members criticized and chastised the coup attempt, only to reverse course and re-affirm their allegiance to the insurrectionist afterward? '


Here's a refresher in case you missed it:

No Republican spoke with more contempt for Trump during the 2016 primaries than Graham did. He called him a “complete idiot,” and “unfit for office,” among other things. But then Trump became president and deemed Graham fit to play golf with him. Suddenly Graham was getting called a “presidential confidant.” Colleagues would ask if he could deliver a message to the president, maybe score someone a birthday call or grease the skids for an endorsement tweet. “I try to be helpful,” Graham would say. The arrangement also proved “helpful” to Graham’s goal of continuing to represent deep-red South Carolina in the U.S. Senate. It got him into the clubhouse. It kept him fed and employed and on TV.

But Graham’s dash from McCain to McCain’s archnemesis made him a kind of alpha lapdog. Old friends kept asking, “What happened to Lindsey?” When I asked him this myself, Graham shrugged and said that he hated it when Trump attacked McCain, but that he himself had come to enjoy the president’s company. Any ambivalence Graham had over Trump’s conduct—for example, trashing his best friend to the grave and beyond—was buried by the fairy dust of relevance.

But the gap between the public adoration expressed by Trump’s Republican lickspittles and the mocking contempt they voiced for him in private could be gaping. This was never more apparent, or maddening, as in the weeks after the 2020 election. “For all but just a handful of members, if you put them on truth serum, they knew that the election was fully legitimate and that Donald Trump was a joke,” Representative Adam Kinzinger, Republican of Illinois, told me last year. “The vast majority of people get the joke. I think Kevin McCarthy gets the joke. Lindsey gets the joke. The problem is that the joke isn’t even funny anymore.” The truth serum is not exactly flowing, either.


Do you remember the divisive rhetoric about the virus and civil unrest?
 
Do you remember the divisive rhetoric about the virus and civil unrest?
Yes, I do remember the insurrectionist wing of the conspiracy theory loving base of the GOP trying to make public health and anger at unfair policing practices a divisive subject. Thank you for bolstering our point.
 
Yes, I do remember the insurrectionist wing of the conspiracy theory loving base of the GOP trying to make public health and anger at unfair policing practices a divisive subject. Thank you for bolstering our point.
So you dont remember the demonization of anyone who opposed authoritarian govt policies? Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
 
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So you dont remember the demonization of anyone who opposed authoritarian govt policies? Or are you being intentionally obtuse?
"Authoritarian government policies" ? --- if you are referring to COVID mitigation efforts, this just proves you are one of the brainwashed dipshits we are talking about. And thus not worthy of attempting a rational discussion with.
 
 
"Authoritarian government policies" ? --- if you are referring to COVID mitigation efforts, this just proves you are one of the brainwashed dipshits we are talking about. And thus not worthy of attempting a rational discussion with.
I see you're going w/ "intentionally obtuse". Odd path, but best of luck to ya.
 
Just for clarity's sake: where is the conspiracy here? I know you wouldnt jump to any (asinine) conclusions about me, so I must have misunderstood something.
The conspiracy that normal public health measures taken by the U.S. government in a pandemic are "authoritarian." That implies malicious intent to control the masses, rather than an effort to keep people safe.
 
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The conspiracy that normal public health measures taken by the U.S. government in a pandemic are "authoritarian." That implies malicious intent to control the masses, rather than an effort to keep people safe.
Thats not a conspiracy theory - its an opinion or position. And if you're good with the forced shuttering of private businesses, that too would be an opinion or position. Not one I would agree with, but one nonetheless.
And FWIW, "authoritarian" is exactly the correct term: favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
 
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Thats not a conspiracy theory - its an opinion or position. And if you're good with the forced shuttering of private businesses, that too would be an opinion or position. Not one I would agree with, but one nonetheless.
And FWIW, "authoritarian" is exactly the correct term: favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
You call it an opinion, but it is objectively false.

What China is doing is authoritarianism. What the U.S. did and has done is standard public health operating procedure.

I could say it's "my opinion or position" that the Mississippi River flows from the gulf of Mexico to Minnesota. But calling it that doesn't make it true.
 
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The conspiracy that normal public health measures taken by the U.S. government in a pandemic are "authoritarian." That implies malicious intent to control the masses, rather than an effort to keep people safe.
You have undertaken a conspiracy to screw up this thread.
You occasionally post things worth reading.
Make another thread for troll wrasslin’.
 
You call it an opinion, but it is objectively false.

What China is doing is authoritarianism. What the U.S. did and has done is standard public health operating procedure.

I could say it's "my opinion or position" that the Mississippi River flows from the gulf of Mexico to Minnesota. But calling it that doesn't make it true.
It's not. The US is not China and that's an irrelevant comparison (as is your river analogy). Govt was telling citizens they couldn't legally run their business. Not really "standard" is it? By definition, that's authoritarianism.
If you've got an issue with that, take it up with Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/contact-us
 
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Been there, done that. I'll engage wherever I so feel.

It's not. The US is not China and that's an irrelevant comparison (as is your river analogy). Govt was telling citizens they couldn't legally run their business. Not really "standard" is it? By definition, that's authoritarianism.
If you've got an issue with that, take it up with Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/contact-us

You've been asked once to take your stupid shitty arguement elsewhere. I know you're a tough guy and refused. I'm asking again to take it elsewhere. This is a war thread.
 
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