I am eager for the day when Ukraine starts making gains against Russia and pushing them back out. Hopefully, they can retake Crimea as well.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Seems like maybe if they figure out when and where they're being transported they could have an "accident" and not make it.
I think this is the equivalent of latching onto an MTG tweet and assuming it is US policy.
Another angle of Luhansk.
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Their entire ethos of her show is peace activism. So any war is always bad and should be resolved quickly through negotiations rather than fighting. I tend to agree until you get to situations like this. Russia is a bad faith actor who has proven they can't be trusted to uphold any aspect of negotiation and isn't above using war to get what they want. So sure, you sue for peace and give them a 1/4 of Ukraine now... In 5 years we're back here doing this again as they move even further into Ukraine. It doesn't work. Bully's are only put aside by realizing they aren't operating from strength.
Clearance of Snake Island Opens Route to Ukraine's Danube River Ports
Ukraine is working to revive long-idled inland ports along the northern edge of the Danube River Delta, and with the removal of Russian forces from Sn...
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First, Ukraine Liberated Snake Island. Now, It’s Shipping Grain From Nearby Ports.
The safe passage of eight cargo vessels from the Black Sea to the river ports of Reni and Izmail along the Danube-Black Sea Canal is a profoundly important development for Ukraine’s economy.
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Ukraine says ships pass through Danube rivermouth, sparking hopes on grain exports
Ukraine sparked hopes Tuesday for an increase in grain exports despite Russia's blockade of Black Sea ports, noting that ships had started to pass through an important mouth of the Danube river.
"Before the war, Ukrainian river ports on the Danube were seldom used, with some of them in complete disrepair. But following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and its control of exit routes to the Black Sea , Kyiv is resuscitating its old river harbours in order to avoid the sea blockade and accelerate the exportation of the country’s wheat.
“Take the example of the Reni River port,’’ Alla Stoyanova, the head of the department of agricultural policy of Odesa region, told the Guardian. The port was among the most important of the Danube region during the Soviet Union and a passageway to Romania. “It wasn’t used at all recently. So now we are working to expand it, alongside other river ports, to increase capacity. As we speak, over 160 ships are awaiting in the Black Sea to enter the Sulina canal, but they can’t because the capacity of that canal is only 5-6 ships a day.”
At the beginning of the Russian invasion, silos and ports across Odesa were brimming with more than 25m tonnes of grain. Today, 5m of these have been exported via alternative street, rail and river routes.
“In March we managed to export 200,000 tonnes”, said Stoyanova. “In April 1.6m; in May 1m 743,000 tonnes; and in June over 2.5m. But this capacity is still not enough, because normally with our six ports in the Odesa region we used to export 5-6m tonnes of grain every month.’’
Before the war, about five or six ships left the port of Odesa carrying a total of 100,000 tonnes of grain, with one single vessel having the capacity to carry up to 50,000 tonnes.
“One truck can carry only 25 tonnes and a train carriage 60 tonnes” says Stoyanova. “In order to load the equivalent of one grain carrier ship, we would need 2,000 trucks. All those long queues of trucks and trains you can see at the border is because the neighbouring countries aren’t able logistically to manage this much grain from us.”
On Thursday, while Sergei Lavrov, the foreign minister of Russia, told reporters that Moscow was ready to negotiate with Ukraine about grain, a series of Russian missiles destroyed two harvesters containing 35 tonnes of grain in Odesa region, according to local authorities."
www.theguardian.com
“Take the example of the Reni River port,’’ Alla Stoyanova, the head of the department of agricultural policy of Odesa region, told the Guardian. The port was among the most important of the Danube region during the Soviet Union and a passageway to Romania. “It wasn’t used at all recently. So now we are working to expand it, alongside other river ports, to increase capacity. As we speak, over 160 ships are awaiting in the Black Sea to enter the Sulina canal, but they can’t because the capacity of that canal is only 5-6 ships a day.”
At the beginning of the Russian invasion, silos and ports across Odesa were brimming with more than 25m tonnes of grain. Today, 5m of these have been exported via alternative street, rail and river routes.
“In March we managed to export 200,000 tonnes”, said Stoyanova. “In April 1.6m; in May 1m 743,000 tonnes; and in June over 2.5m. But this capacity is still not enough, because normally with our six ports in the Odesa region we used to export 5-6m tonnes of grain every month.’’
Before the war, about five or six ships left the port of Odesa carrying a total of 100,000 tonnes of grain, with one single vessel having the capacity to carry up to 50,000 tonnes.
“One truck can carry only 25 tonnes and a train carriage 60 tonnes” says Stoyanova. “In order to load the equivalent of one grain carrier ship, we would need 2,000 trucks. All those long queues of trucks and trains you can see at the border is because the neighbouring countries aren’t able logistically to manage this much grain from us.”
On Thursday, while Sergei Lavrov, the foreign minister of Russia, told reporters that Moscow was ready to negotiate with Ukraine about grain, a series of Russian missiles destroyed two harvesters containing 35 tonnes of grain in Odesa region, according to local authorities."
Ukraine restores Danube River ports in emergency effort to get grain out
Soviet-era ports being resuscitated but officials say only way to mitigate global hunger is to end Russia’s Black Sea blockade
"A Russian tank exploded in the east by mines laid by the Ukrainian army"
Paywall so I can only guess but this is the part of that guy that annoys me. He wonders what would have been had Ukraine had HIMARS earlier? How about if it had joined NATO years ago? How about if it mobilized/trained its citizens earlier so it had a million-man army with trained reserves from day 1? None of that happened and we are where we are. With that said, let’s get more Ukrainians trained on HIMARS so we can give them more.
The answer to your NATO question changes the equation that leads to your other questions. Sarkozy (soon headed to prison for crimes related to taking Russian money) and Merkel (one of Russia's favorite business partners) blocked Ukraine from joining NATO back in 2008. Had UKR been a member of NATO for the past 12 or 13 years, there would have been no invasion in 2014 or 2022 and we would't be talking about sending weapons sooner.
I’m surprised the Russians haven’t attempted to destroy port and grain loading facilities. This might be an example off their inability to project power. Some of those big missiles they have used against apartment buildings could have been used against grain storage facilities. Not that I want them to, but it would cripple Ukraine more to hit those targets."Before the war, Ukrainian river ports on the Danube were seldom used, with some of them in complete disrepair. But following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and its control of exit routes to the Black Sea , Kyiv is resuscitating its old river harbours in order to avoid the sea blockade and accelerate the exportation of the country’s wheat.
“Take the example of the Reni River port,’’ Alla Stoyanova, the head of the department of agricultural policy of Odesa region, told the Guardian. The port was among the most important of the Danube region during the Soviet Union and a passageway to Romania. “It wasn’t used at all recently. So now we are working to expand it, alongside other river ports, to increase capacity. As we speak, over 160 ships are awaiting in the Black Sea to enter the Sulina canal, but they can’t because the capacity of that canal is only 5-6 ships a day.”
At the beginning of the Russian invasion, silos and ports across Odesa were brimming with more than 25m tonnes of grain. Today, 5m of these have been exported via alternative street, rail and river routes.
“In March we managed to export 200,000 tonnes”, said Stoyanova. “In April 1.6m; in May 1m 743,000 tonnes; and in June over 2.5m. But this capacity is still not enough, because normally with our six ports in the Odesa region we used to export 5-6m tonnes of grain every month.’’
Before the war, about five or six ships left the port of Odesa carrying a total of 100,000 tonnes of grain, with one single vessel having the capacity to carry up to 50,000 tonnes.
“One truck can carry only 25 tonnes and a train carriage 60 tonnes” says Stoyanova. “In order to load the equivalent of one grain carrier ship, we would need 2,000 trucks. All those long queues of trucks and trains you can see at the border is because the neighbouring countries aren’t able logistically to manage this much grain from us.”
On Thursday, while Sergei Lavrov, the foreign minister of Russia, told reporters that Moscow was ready to negotiate with Ukraine about grain, a series of Russian missiles destroyed two harvesters containing 35 tonnes of grain in Odesa region, according to local authorities."
Ukraine restores Danube River ports in emergency effort to get grain out
Soviet-era ports being resuscitated but officials say only way to mitigate global hunger is to end Russia’s Black Sea blockade
Ukraine had severe corruption problems back then...
Welcome to Ukraine, the most corrupt nation in Europe
The long read: While the conflict with Russia heats up in the east, life for most Ukrainians is marred by corruption so endemic that even hospitals appear to be infected. Can anyone clean the country up?
My take on this is that I fully believe Ukraine was very corrupt but that is because when they were under Russian control and influence that is all they knew. It was their way of life. Once they were independent, under a true elected leader, the veil came off and they could begin to transition to democratic and western ways(business and govt) there will still be corruption but let’s be honest, there is plenty of corruption in the US as well. I think Russia is showing the world that unchecked corruption has major negative consequences. If they did not have nukes they would have already been ejected from Ukraine and Crimea as their corrupt military really is a paper tiger.Ukraine had severe corruption problems back then...
Welcome to Ukraine, the most corrupt nation in Europe
The long read: While the conflict with Russia heats up in the east, life for most Ukrainians is marred by corruption so endemic that even hospitals appear to be infected. Can anyone clean the country up?
True...point remains that corruption was a main factor in Ukraine not being accepted into NATO.
This was from just last year...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...has-work-to-do-on-corruption-to-get-into-nato
Lot of revisionist history on the subject.
Hopefully sometime this century. See list above of heavy equipment donated.
"IRIS-T SLM medium-range air defense system - Germany has published a list of weapons for Ukraine The government of Germany has published a complete list of weapons being transferred to Ukraine to defend against a Russian invasion."
"A traitor from Crimea, Colonel of the Russian Army Oleksiy Avramchenko, died in Ukraine In 2014, during Russia's seizure of the Ukrainian Crimea, he betrayed his oath and went over to the side of the occupier."
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So far it appears pretty much all the western weapons delivered have made it to the front and it appears money pouring in is going to the war effort not grifters, so perhaps it’s right for the previous story to be revised.
How many of those “corruption” stories were actually pro-Russian disinformation and propaganda? One has to wonder in retrospect.
Definitely a possibility...maybe a combination of both. The guardian article gives some pretty stark examples though.
Any corruption issues take a back seat to the current situation regardless...
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