This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

[lucas80]

Not linking, but I’ve seen multiple articles stating that the attack on Saki may have been a commando raid. There is general disagreement on weaponry used. The craters might indicate sabotage against unprotected, poorly spaced weapons depots. And, there are multiple reports that civilians did not hear incoming missiles. Ukrainian authorities are being coy about the attack. I heard one guy on the BBC yesterday go with the cigarette excuse with an edge of sarcasm. Chalk this up as another tidbit we probably won’t get an answer to until after the war.

 

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"In addition to the tank turret long throw, #Russland has discovered other sports in #Ukraine : "Goodwill Run".

 

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Head over to the host thread to discuss these losers jumping for joy




Host thread

List of *alleged* compromised GOP Politicians/Hosts

How many Republicans are booking their flights to Qatar like Paul Manafort was trying to do right now? GOP is ****ed. I hope you traitors choke on your blood money. LOL

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[Hawkfan_08]

Tulsi filling in for Tucker tonight.

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Although I do believe a regime change is the end goal here, there can certainly be multiple motives. I do feel like the world is stopping Russia because they are the bully. I also feel that this sends a message to China and others that land grabs and takeovers in the 21st century are not acceptable.

For me, I am behind the people of Ukraine. Nobody in the media can change my feelings on the independence of a sovereign nation. Those people have shown extraordinary toughness and resilience. Russia is going to lose so bad in the long run here and I am here for it.

 

[Joes Place]

Tulsi filling in for Tucker tonight.

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Send the bitch over there.

Let her support Russia "on the ground".

 

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[torbee]

She should be forced to register as a foreign lobbyist.

She should be thrown in jail for being a foreign agent.

 

[mnole03]

Although I do believe a regime change is the end goal here, there can certainly be multiple motives. I do feel like the world is stopping Russia because they are the bully. I also feel that this sends a message to China and others that land grabs and takeovers in the 21st century are not acceptable.

For me, I am behind the people of Ukraine. Nobody in the media can change my feelings on the independence of a sovereign nation. Those people have shown extraordinary toughness and resilience. Russia is going to lose so bad in the long run here and I am here for it.

I think most of the people that support Ukraine are realistic about regime change. It’d be nice, but it’s not going to happen. It’s not why we continue to support Ukraine.

 

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I believe that is Bonney fifth to the left.

 

[Joes Place]

FLASHBACK from very early in this thread:

 

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FLASHBACK 2.0

 

[StonesCat]

Although I do believe a regime change is the end goal here, there can certainly be multiple motives. I do feel like the world is stopping Russia because they are the bully. I also feel that this sends a message to China and others that land grabs and takeovers in the 21st century are not acceptable.

For me, I am behind the people of Ukraine. Nobody in the media can change my feelings on the independence of a sovereign nation. Those people have shown extraordinary toughness and resilience. Russia is going to lose so bad in the long run here and I am here for it.

The people who peddle this grand master plan scenario gloss over the fact that the conventional wisdom, even in the West, was that Russia would overrun Ukraine in a matter of days. All that's been done post-invasion didn't kick in until US/NATO saw that they actually had a chance to hold them off and/or prevail. Now there may be favorable outcomes that go beyond Ukraine, but I don't think Russia plowing over their neighbors in a week would be any country's first step of the plan.

 

[WolfeHawk]

If she was in Ukraine, Tulsi would have been rounded up and in prison facing trial by now.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

The people who peddle this grand master plan scenario gloss over the fact that the conventional wisdom, even in the West, was that Russia would overrun Ukraine in a matter of days. All that's been done post-invasion didn't kick in until US/NATO saw that they actually had a chance to hold them off and/or prevail. Now there may be favorable outcomes that go beyond Ukraine, but I don't think Russia plowing over their neighbors in a week would be any country's first step of the plan.

Correct, I'm saying now that's a real chance. The only thing I wonder is how much did we actually know about how weak Russia was?

 

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[Slappy Pappy]

If she was in Ukraine, Tulsi would have been rounded up and in prison facing trial by now.

The real thing is she is acting like having the goal of overthrowing Putin is a bad thing. He's a murderer, has invaded multiple neighboring countries, and his support is reason why dictatorships like those in Syria, Venezuela, and Iran can exist. He has entirely defined himself and Russia by opposing and undermining Western style democracy and its spread. And she truly believes that trying to oppose his goals and depose him is a bad thing.

 

[lucas80]

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Everyone of those guys would be legally drunk if they were behind the wheel of a car in the US. Half of them look like standing up is all they can manage.

 

[lucas80]

Here is one of the articles I found about the strike on the airbase in Crimea. There is considerable debate as to what caused the explosions.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/europe/crimea-saki-air-base-blast-russia-causes-intl/index.html

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Not linking, but I’ve seen multiple articles stating that the attack on Saki may have been a commando raid. There is general disagreement on weaponry used. The craters might indicate sabotage against unprotected, poorly spaced weapons depots. And, there are multiple reports that civilians did not hear incoming missiles. Ukrainian authorities are being coy about the attack. I heard one guy on the BBC yesterday go with the cigarette excuse with an edge of sarcasm. Chalk this up as another tidbit we probably won’t get an answer to until after the war.

It’s not out of the realm of possibility that the Russians had a munitions handling accident on the airfield that had a huge chain reaction.

We had something similar at Bien Hoa in Vietnam

https://www.msiac.nato.int/sites/default/files/media/accident_posters/msiac_accident_poster_02_-_bien_hoa_vietnam_16_may_1965.pdf

Anyway, lots of lessons learned after that. Storage/handling procedures and more importantly changing the filler in our munitions….very unstable back then. You could drop a USAF munition nowadays from any height and it isn’t going to detonate unless it’s fuzed and armed. Back then? It might have detonated

We’ve already seen the Russians don’t do munitions storage very well…..I wonder if they have unstable filler…couldn’t find anything on the subject.

Not saying that’s what happened but it’s a possibility

 

[lucas80]

I believe that is Bonney fifth to the left.

The white shirt with the cutoff sleeves guy? Abby97, to his left, Doobi to his right. Pretty sure that is Seminole in the funny little hat second from the right in the first row.

 

[Tenacious E]

It’s not out of the realm of possibility that the Russians had a munitions handling accident on the airfield that had a huge chain reaction.

We had something similar at Bien Hoa in Vietnam

https://www.msiac.nato.int/sites/default/files/media/accident_posters/msiac_accident_poster_02_-_bien_hoa_vietnam_16_may_1965.pdf

Anyway, lots of lessons learned after that. Storage/handling procedures and more importantly changing the filler in our munitions….very unstable back then. You could drop a USAF munition nowadays from any height and it isn’t going to detonate unless it’s fuzed and armed. Back then? It might have detonated

We’ve already seen the Russians don’t do munitions storage very well…..I wonder if they have unstable filler…couldn’t find anything on the subject.

Not saying that’s what happened but it’s a possibility

Interesting. With that said. That has to be very very unlikely.

 

[lucas80]

It’s not out of the realm of possibility that the Russians had a munitions handling accident on the airfield that had a huge chain reaction.

We had something similar at Bien Hoa in Vietnam

https://www.msiac.nato.int/sites/default/files/media/accident_posters/msiac_accident_poster_02_-_bien_hoa_vietnam_16_may_1965.pdf

Anyway, lots of lessons learned after that. Storage/handling procedures and more importantly changing the filler in our munitions….very unstable back then. You could drop a USAF munition nowadays from any height and it isn’t going to detonate unless it’s fuzed and armed. Back then? It might have detonated

We’ve already seen the Russians don’t do munitions storage very well…..I wonder if they have unstable filler…couldn’t find anything on the subject.

Not saying that’s what happened but it’s a possibility

I think it's more likely, and, not just wishful thinking, that the Ukrainians projected some power somehow. They knew they had a ripe target and waited for a good chance. Crimea would be ripe territory to get in special forces. The security is garbage, and they clearly had stacks of munitions laying in big juicy piles.
Just like sinking the Moskva. The Ukrainians stalked for weeks until they had their shot at that airfield in Saki.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Interesting. With that said. That has to be very very unlikely.

I would say the most likely scenario is the Ukrainians hit the airfield but the catastrophic damage being caused by poor Russian munitions handling. Looks like many secondary explosions and the massiveness of the detonations kind of points to a chain reaction…..which would point to poor storage and unstable munitions

 

[mnole03]

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That’s why falling asleep on watch can be a capital offense.

 

[h-hawk]

That’s why falling asleep on watch can be a capital offense.

I wonder if his squad didn't like him so they didn't wake him when they left. Silver lining is being captured may have saved his life. (He may have survived the war anyway.)

 

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LOL

 

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[torbee]

I wonder if his squad didn't like him so they didn't wake him when they left. Silver lining is being captured may have saved his life. (He may have survived the war anyway.)

More likely the whole thing was a fake propaganda piece.

 

[h-hawk]

"According to the authorities of the Nikolaev Oblast, the Russian army evacuated the staff of the "front" of Kherson to the other side of the Dnieper, fearing it would be encircled by Kherson."

 

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