This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Why Putin’s Private Army Is Snatching Kids From Their Moms
Survivors say the notorious Wagner Group has started kidnapping children as young as 11. Some witnesses say the kids are being put to work in gold and diamond mines.
www.thedailybeast.com
Ukrainian military obliterates Wagner Group base in Popasna, Luhansk governor confirms
Ukraine’s military has wiped out a military base belonging to Russian mercenary company Wagner Group in the occupied town of Popasna, Luhansk Regional Governor Serhiy Hayday said in a Telegram messenger post on Aug. 15.
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Russia sees revolt among its proxy forces in Donbas
The Kremlin-controlled fighters from Moscow’s sham “Luhansk People’s Republic” (“LPR”) in the Donbas have staged a revolt amid the huge losses of the Russian invaders in the war against Ukraine, Ukrainian army officer Anatoliy Shtefan tweeted on Aug. 15.
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They're just asking me to destroy that with my missile payload...
Look at how the streets have been swept clean back to the debris piles. A sense of purpose amongst madness.
"Latvia handed over four helicopters to Ukraine: two Mi-17 and two Mi-2"
I'd be curious as to the tally of equipment Urkraine had before the war, and what they have been given after it has started. Obviously we have provided them with some tech they never had, such as HIMARS and some of our UAVs. But APCs, tanks, helicopters, artillery, etc...
I think helicopters are in the dozens and Soviet era tanks are well over 200 as Poland alone has donated that many. The different versions of APCs are probably over 1,000 since it was close to that months ago.
Here is a link you may have already seen but it does not always list the numbers. Probably because some countries do not want that info out.
https://www.forumarmstrade.org/ukrainearms.html
The post I replied to suggested all of the Javelins that Ukraine received went to the Black Market.
Wowzers. Impressive. Putin had no idea what he stepped in.
No, you quoted the post, it said: My biggest concern is we now have 1,400 stinger missiles unaccounted for.
Reasonable people recognize that is a legitimate concern, and you tried to dismiss thusly:
You are either badly misled via some truth outlet, or a dunce.
It could be both.
The question is, do you think the interior ministers of the various EU governments are badly misled by ‘truth outlets’, dunces, or both?
My fear is that Russia will use one that has been captured to shoot down an airliner then blame it on the West for supplying arms to Ukraine. It shouldn't make a difference but that would not stop Russia from trying it.
(We know from videos that many supplied weapons have been captured thus far.)
That is another problem for another day. Ukraine is fighting for its survival and has virtually the full support of the west. Once they survive, no one is going to believe they actually shot down an airliner. For now, let's get them all the tools they need to blow up Russian military assets.
My reply suggested that a sensible person would realize that not all of the donated stingers went to the Black Market. You knew that was my inference.
I have no interest in engaging in one of your circular arguments.
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If they surrender, they can’t be returned without likely facing the firing squad/Wagner Group.
I hope Ukraine is able to pick up some nice captured equipment from them after they swim across the river
That would be better than floating belly up across the river. I still wonder their fate if they retreat/surrender.I hope Ukraine is able to pick up some nice captured equipment from them after they swim across the river
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I'm still amazed how Russia has been unable to control the airspace. Seeing the footage of the Russian helicopters the first couple of days of this ordeal it seemed air supremacy was a forgone conclusion.
And it all started on day 1 or 2 with that jet full of 300 elite paratroopers getting blown out of the sky.
I don't think any airline is transiting over contested airspace right now.
I never want to minimize the incredible work of the Ukrainians, but right from the start of this war that is one of actions that I have wondered about. Did we give them a heads up on that flight in real time? Did we have intel about the invasion we passed along? Biden was literally saying an invasion was coming. The Russians have proven to be very sloppy, did we listen in to some calls, and pass along some AWACs info?
Denying that airfield was critical to blunting the Russian thrust towards Kiev.
This is one of the reasons I do not see Ukraine ever agreeing to a land for peace deal, and why the West must hold firm on Russia being sanctioned even when the shooting has stopped to pay for rebuilding what they wrecked. The lives cannot be replaced, but that Russian oil, gas, mineral wealth... That needs to be siphoned off to pay for rebuilding Ukraine.
There are too many places that want their money, but, yeah, the core Western nations could be more aggressive. I am at the point where I'd deny visas for athletes, too. F every Russian that is in the NHL, or all their hot female tennis players. Let them go back to Russia and earn a living there.
