Am I missing something? That looks staged and fake at first glance. Makes me think it's going to be a parody account.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Perfect, right down to the Hitler Z mustache.
I see now...he's an mma fighter and actually there...that first tweet just looked way too "Rambo"
As long as it takes to do what? Get back to the pre invasion border.....the 2014 border?
Some clarity is going to be needed in the coming months. What is exactly the objective....need to define "winning".
Happy Friday Ukraine Style
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"She! Three stories... Where are the photos from Sviatohirsk.... Yobana Rusna... I love you my love"
My God, the average Russian must live in a cave. Most of the items they are stealing I’d expect to find in a $2 bin at some rural flea market.
"...is currently only capable of defensive operations."
This is shaping up to be "Iowa at Ohio State, 2022" all over again....
So punt on first down?
I believe Ukraine and Zelenskyy have made this very clear.
A forfeit would be better. Running back to that $hithole called Russia.
What does US/NATO policy have to do with Ukraine's position on any Treaty?
Are we now going to pressure them to accept giving up their own land?
Question remains. How far does US/NATO support go?....pre invasion borders? Pre-2014 borders? Kremlin?
Hasn't been any clarity on the subject.
That wasn't the point.
The question was "what does Ukraine view as victory", which is Ukraine's decision.
I agree with Ukraine's current position that it should be eliminating Russia from ALL of their territory, including Crimea. If Russia wants a base there, they can LEASE it like the US does around the globe.
Losing NATO/US support would definitely effect Ukraines ability to take back the Crimea.
Maybe Ukraine maintains US/NATO support for that objective....who knows. Hasn't been clearly stated.
I think Ukraine would say getting ALL of their land back. And I think that's fair. To do anything else rewards Putin. Now, Crimea is going to be the hard one, but can you imagine a NATO base in Crimea. NATO has lots of incentive to do so.
You agree...I agree....but does the US/NATO agree. That's the question.
If they don't it would severely limit Ukraines ability to take that objective.
Who is denying that point?
The question was "What does Ukraine view as victory?"
Which appears to be evicting Russia, completely.
And right now, most of Europe and NATO agree: letting Russia maintain a foothold just kicks the can down the road. They are on the cusp of eliminating the problem, so help them finish it.
Russia will never rebuild a military presence w/o access to Western technology, and it seems that bus has left the station already.
Ukraine absolutely has to have control over Crimea if they want to maintain their ability to access their ports in the North. Just giving that to Russia allows Russia way too much control over the straits in and out. I mean I suppose if Ukraine becomes a NATO state and NATO bases and equipment are staged there, then maybe that's a method to force Russia's hands there, but I certainly wouldn't trust Russia on that.
I think as far as Ukraine is concerned, having access to their port cities and to Crimea is simply too important.
If Ukraine takes back Crimea, then it's up to Ukraine if they want a US/NATO presence there.
Russia has no say here.
NATO/US should make their position consistent with what Ukraine wants.
If Ukraine is "ok" with giving Crimea back to Russia, there's no need to "force" them into continuing the war. No idea why they would do that, but that's the proper approach here.
Either Ukraine has independence/autonomy over their lands, or they do not. It isn't NATO's position to decide for them.
Why do they have to make any hard positions in the sand right now. Their position so far has been that they're supporting Ukraine's position. Right now Ukraine's position is that they want all their land back. Ukraine's position might later change. There's no reason to put up goalposts yet. Things and world events change. And as such, positions as to what constitutes winning change.
So a "blank check"?
Are you implying that NATO (a formally DEFENSIVE alliance) should support Ukraine if they try to take Russian lands away from Russia?
Fair enough....I disagree and think some clarity is needed. Not a "blank check">
You're really stretching things to claim Ukraine has a "blank check" on their own sovereignty.
(They most certainly DO)
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