Aren't you in bed by 9 PM? 😉I can’t think of any here in DSM where I have had to “pre-pay” unless it was after 9pm.
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Aren't you in bed by 9 PM? 😉I can’t think of any here in DSM where I have had to “pre-pay” unless it was after 9pm.
Pay at the pump is pre pay. Last I was in Des Moines (Oct. 2020) I had just picked up a rental and had to put gas up. Stopped by a station couole blocks from the capital and it was pre pay only/pay at pump.Most that I’m aware either have the option of pay at the pump or pre-pay inside. Since I usually don’t have more than a rough estimate of how much gas I need, I usually select pay at the pump.
what’s increasingly rare is the pay inside option after getting the gas. That was a growing trend before, but Covid essentially killed the option for good.
I think it is semantics. All I am aware of you have to either pay at the pump prior to getting gas, or go inside and prepay. I never go inside. But you still must swipe your credit card at the pump to get gas.I can’t think of any here in DSM where I have had to “pre-pay” unless it was after 9pm.
Hell this board will disagree about anythingI didn't even intend for people to agree or disagree -- I thought it was pretty thought provoking, particularly since it was coming from a rural downstate Illinois conservative perspective.
Even if the free socks were given because he's a good customer, doesn't it seem odd they would do so after telling the black man that they never give free socks?I guess he assumes it was related to white privilege. But how can he be sure any of those situations were due to race.
Was it the same policeman who pulled over author and the black lawyer?
Did he get free socks maybe because he was a repeat customer and not because he was white.
There are just too many unaccounted for variables. It's just very presumptuous. Of course white privilege happens, but I would like to have better examples than ones listed to validate premise
Maybe they gave the black man two pairs of socks so that way they say they never give away a pair of free socks.Even if the free socks were given because he's a good customer, doesn't it seem odd they would do so after telling the black man that they never give free socks?
Even if the free socks were given because he's a good customer, doesn't it seem odd they would do so after telling the black man that they never give free socks?
use 2 different stations that are both prepay, but I always go inside to grab a paper or coffee, so I just flip the pump and wave at the attendant and the gas flows. Then I go in and pay and know I'm treated differently than 95% of the other customers there.Pre-pay only in Davenport these days. City actually passed an ordinance for pre-pay only as a way of eliminating drive offs when they realized just how much time the police department was spending responding to them.
^^^ Didn't read anything posted.All cops are the same, is that the moral of the story?
If you believe that the situation went down exactly as described .Even if the free socks were given because he's a good customer, doesn't it seem odd they would do so after telling the black man that they never give free socks?
I remember when I was a kid visiting my grandparents, my grandpa would fill up his truck at the local gas station, and would just have a running "tab" every week. He'd just pay it once a week.use 2 different stations that are both prepay, but I always go inside to grab a paper or coffee, so I just flip the pump and wave at the attendant and the gas flows. Then I go in and pay and know I'm treated differently than 95% of the other customers there.
I'm white and old, but small-town Iowa has its benefits. The one station when my kids were growing up just let them fill up the same way, but they would never go inside, they would shut the pump off, the person behind the counter would write down the amount and the next time I came in, Old dad would take care of it.
Yep, it's a really small town.
If you believe that the situation went down exactly as described .
I believe torbee was honest about the writer being a conservative so I don’t think he made the story up.Sure would, if he had actually said anything like this to the black man.
I believe torbee was honest about the writer being a conservative so I don’t think he made the story up.
I don't think many people at all have a problem with that. It was the language, behavior, and marketing of the concept that sucked.So, this is pretty good. These are actually all pretty good examples, except for the gas station one, I can't make heads or tails of that one. Every gas station I've been at for probably 30 years has been prepay or pay at the pump. Is the author saying that because I'm white, I could pump first and then go in and pay, and I just haven't tried it because I took the signs at face value? If so, I had no idea.
But in general, white privilege is real, and these are great examples. These are the kind of things that absolutely do exist, and white people NEVER think about them. You really have to be listening. These aren't even the kind of things that most activists are focusing on, who are agitating for huge structural fundamental change. These are the kind of things you hear listening to regular every day black people, even conservative minded black people talk about this.
Most people who dismiss white privilege out of hand aren't really listening to the actual examples like this. My father grew up poor in the inner city working from childhood at the family store. My mother was one of 8 kids, didn't have indoor plumbing in her home, and had to put jars of hot water in bed with them to stay warm during the winter, and would wake up with them frozen sometimes. When people like that hear "white privilege" they think that having achieved some level of middle class to upper middle class type of success was given them by virtue of their skin color and that they didn't have to suffer or work for it. They just will not hear that talk.
This is a good attempt to reach people with with what it really means. The tough part is how do you fix what is being described in the column. There aren't massive legislative approaches to make that kind of thing go away. It's a hearts and minds thing, and we've done a poor job changing them in the past 25 years I think.
So you don't think the black man heard the claim? Are you saying the manager was kidding?For crying out loud, did you read the article? The store manager didn't day those words to the black man, at all. It was said to him, the writer.
Even if the free socks were given because he's a good customer, doesn't it seem odd they would do so after telling the black man that they never give free socks?
I agree on the gas station example, but I think the others represent a common theme.The writer put the shop owner in a weird spot asking for free socks in front of another customer. The shop owner's response might have just been the first nervous thing that came to his mind because he didn't want to give free socks to a customer (regardless of color) he'd never seen before that day vs. one that was a self described regular.
As @bdg8 said, the cop one is a bad one because it's two different people.
And even @Nole Lou who liked the other examples thinks the gas one was bad because unless they're in BFE Iowa (or Illinois I guess), pay at the pump is the gold standard for gas stations. I also can't think of one I've been to in the last 20 years that wasn't that way.
Like I said earlier, white privilege is real. These are bad examples. But if it made the writer a better person, good for him. And I guess if others see this as thought provoking and makes them better, good for them too.
So you don't think the black man heard the claim? Are you saying the manager was kidding?
Are you saying you don't believe black people are ever treated differently? Do you remember when Oprah was racially profiled in Switzerland?
I thought you were contending that my misreading of the post changes the basic point of the story which is black people are often treated differently in places of business.I didn't say any of that, did I? I simply pointed out what actually happened instead of your false claim. Is it that hard for you to figure out?
I'm not contending anything. But, IMO, there is a big difference between who is doing the asking and makes it pretty black and white, (pun fully intended) as to a racial bias if not flat out racist.I thought you were contending that my misreading of the post changes the basic point of the story which is black people are often treated differently in places of business.
It’s been like that for a long time ever since I was a kid too. Years ago when I first started driving, the Conoco station in town was run by my best friends dad.I remember when I was a kid visiting my grandparents, my grandpa would fill up his truck at the local gas station, and would just have a running "tab" every week. He'd just pay it once a week.
I admit I was wrong. I think there is a difference between recognizing "white privilege" and automatically attributing the impact to racism. Yes, it can be both, but often it is just lack of self awareness on our part. We make assumptions about others from our biases.I'm not contending anything. But, IMO, there is a big difference between who is doing the asking and makes it pretty black and white, (pun fully intended) as to a racial bias if not flat out racist.
I think we can agree on that.Hell this board will disagree about anything
drinkThis is where democrats specifically the woke super left wingers, go wrong. lems.
Goddamn biden with his high gas pricesIn CR, as far as I can remember, Katrina and the high gas prices it temporarily brought killed the 'pay after pumping' option. Lots of drive-offs around that time.
The writer put the shop owner in a weird spot asking for free socks in front of another customer. The shop owner's response might have just been the first nervous thing that came to his mind because he didn't want to give free socks to a customer (regardless of color) he'd never seen before that day vs. one that was a self described regular.
As @bdg8 said, the cop one is a bad one because it's two different people.
And even @Nole Lou who liked the other examples thinks the gas one was bad because unless they're in BFE Iowa (or Illinois I guess), pay at the pump is the gold standard for gas stations. I also can't think of one I've been to in the last 20 years that wasn't that way.
Like I said earlier, white privilege is real. These are bad examples. But if it made the writer a better person, good for him. And I guess if others see this as thought provoking and makes them better, good for them too.
Racial profiling definitely happens, and I have been subjected to it. However, I find the article to be white knighting in a way that is unnecessary and paints police in a bad light.
What's funny is seeing all the people who read the story and their take-away is "He doesn't have to pre-pay??? I ALWAYS have to pre-pay!!! Everybody I know has to pre-pay!!!"I didn't even intend for people to agree or disagree -- I thought it was pretty thought provoking, particularly since it was coming from a rural downstate Illinois conservative perspective.
Either lying or dumb.I can’t think of any here in DSM where I have had to “pre-pay” unless it was after 9pm.