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Thoughts (and hopes) on '17-'18 Basketball Team

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Well, most teams end the season with a loss, so despite that bad taste in our mouths at the moment '16-'17 was pretty successful. If it hadn't been we wouldn't feel so bad about the losses to TCU and Indiana :)

GOOD:
  • We found out early on that a lot of our ho-hum recruits like Pemsl, Kriener and Bohannon are actually outperforming their recruiting rankings - and in the case of Bohannon by a lot! Even Dailey showed that he has a pretty high ceiling. This was the biggest development of the year, imo.
  • Cook was almost as good as we hoped, and still has a high ceiling. His post moves evolved near the end of the year so he's on the right trajectory.
  • Moss showed flashes of being the athletic difference maker some hoped he would be.
  • Baer was Swiss Army Knife version 2.0 - a much better 3 point shooter by the end of the year also, which is huge.
  • Ellingson, although he struggled down the stretch, came back with the shooting year we all hoped he was capable of, and showed some savvy inside the arc as well. Happy for him.
  • Fran had a pretty good coaching year, both at a high level in terms of bringing along so many young kids and handling a long lineup card, as well as in games most of the time. No coach will be perfect in games but he won a few games with his choices and probably lost a couple, but overall well done.
  • Jok had one of the best shooting years of any Hawkeye player ever. Nice to see him grow during his career, a bit like Marble in that regard.
MEH:
  • Wagner was his normal, hard working, athletic self and gets a lot of credit for doing his thing on the court, but we didn't see much skill improvement on offense other than finishing off the bounce a little bit better.
  • Uhl still struggled to find a consistent outside shot, still lacks a finishing move off the dribble drive, and still sometimes will turn it over unnecessarily. However he is really active on defense and provides a really good ball handler at the forward spot. The good news is that he learned to only force his shots with the clock under 10 seconds so I found his shot selection to be fine.
  • Williams showed flashes, but still doesn't appear to be a natural PG - dribbles way to much and has no faith in any type of jump shot. Good defensively especially at the top of a zone, but without offensive skill in the half court it really hampers our offensive spacing and flow when he's controlling the ball.
BAD:
  • Our fairly good offensive awareness for a young team was offset by really poor defensive awareness and technique. This improved during the year (ie: getting back on defense and help rotations in particular) but clearly players need to do a better job of consistent intensity and hustle and keeping guys in front of them.


Looking forward to next season, here's my thoughts on how it might play out:

POSITION (minutes per game)

PG: Bohannon (30), McCaffrey (10), Williams (0)

Bohannon showed down the stretch that he can be an impact PG on offense, with 3 double digit assist games and with multiple 20 point scoring games as well. He's taking the ball inside when he needs to and learning how to either score or pass from there, which is why his point and assist totals went up at the end of the year. Still has a lot of work defensively, but he really helps space the floor for the offense and the defense needs to identify him every second. McCaffrey should provide a better backup as he brings a big, strong, steady presence to the floor - his length and size will allow him to play off the opposing PG slightly more and perhaps will be better defensively than JaBo, and is a much better outside shooter, ball handler and passer than Williams and so our offense will be spaced a lot better with him in there.

SG: Moss (28), Dailey (8), Ellingson (2), McCaffrey (2)

Moss may be a bit streakier than Jok, but overall I don't see a big downgrade here. He should provide more of a driving threat in the half court than Jok, is elite in the open court, and is much better defensively. With more minutes and an extra off season, I expect him to be very good next year. Dailey showed glimpses of someone who isn't necessarily elite at any one thing but who brings a lot of things to the table - shooting, athleticism, ball handling, length. He may be another year away from really making an impact, but I think he has the tools to really help us and we can use the athleticism from the wing both on offense and defense. Ellingson had a good year this year and provides experienced depth. McCaffrey will definitely get 10 mpg at PG, but to earn 15-20 mpg he'll have to beat out Dailey and Ellingson here. That will be an interesting battle to watch next year - it's clear what the bar probably is to beat Ellingson, but Dailey is a bit of a wild card. (I think JaBo needs to stay at PG when both he and Connor are in the game - he's a lot better up top with the ball imo). I'm hopefull Dailey can win this because his upside athletically on both sides of the court would really help.

SF: Baer (28), Uhl (8), Dailey (4)

Baer really came on with his outside shot late in the year, and his confidence showed. That is a really big deal for someone who was more of an opportunistic scorer than a true scorer. He still isn't a dribble drive threat for a SF, but he's another guy who spaces the floor and we're all aware what he can do off the ball and on defense. Could get stronger. If Uhl could simply figure out a reverse pivot finisher off his dribble drives or a running hook or something it would really help, because he does have good handles for his size and he is athletic. Literally - even just 1 finishing move could totally transform his image in the minds of Hawk fans. I thought his decision making was pretty good this year, he just needs 1 or 2 moves and it will open everything up for him. Dailey could get minutes here in a smaller lineup, perhaps freeing up more time for Connor at the SG spot.

PF: Cook (20), Pemsl (10), Nunge (10), Wagner (0)

This is where minutes are at a premium. Assuming Garza is ready to start at Center, this moves Cook to PF and it's pretty crowded here. Cook should start to show his face up game next season and being able to face up from 14 feet and shoot it will open up his dribble drive where he can go either hand as we saw in the PTL. He should continue to grow his offensive game. Pemsl is close to his ceiling imo but should continue to develop his ability to finish on the right block with the right hand to make him a harder guard. Nunge will be hard to keep off the court with his ability to space the floor to 3, which neither Cook or Pemsl (or Wagner) can offer. Wagner is left holding the short straw here, although I'm sure they'll sneak in some minutes. Off chance Nunge redshirts, but I don't see it.

C: Garza (20), Kriener (12), Cook (8)

Garza brings a lot of skill to the table, but so does Kriener and it will be interesting to see if Kriener can hold him off. Garza is the better player at the same age, but with the extra year of experience and off season training Kriener may surprise a bit next year (I like his skill set). Both are kids to be excited about and give us true Centers to work with. Cook should still get minutes here given the situation at PF is so crowded. Garza provides another guy who can hit the 3 (when paired with Nunge would give us 5 guys on the floor who can hit the 3!), and both he and Kriener can hit face up shots at a good rate, making it easier for them to both work the post or be a good high-low post feeder for Cook without their guy sagging on the pass. That helps a lot, compared to Pemsl trying to feed the post.

Overall a lot to be excited about, especially on offense. Sometimes it seems Fran over emphasizes offensive skills in his recruits as most of our guys not named Wagner or Williams come in with good tool sets, but defensively many of them aren't the best at lateral quickness and so we don't always cover the court well on help defense nor keep guys in front of us off the dribble. Neither Connor, Nunge or Garza are above average in this regard, so while they offer length we may still struggle a bit on defense. This is another reason I'm hopeful that Dailey can get a little stronger and give us another athletic option at SG and SF for certain matchups.

So, it's no surprise that defense will be the difference maker next year. I expect we'll win 25 games, finish 11-7 in a tougher Big 10, and get the dreaded 8 seed in the NCAA's. Should be a fun year in many respects, and kudos to Fran for bringing the program back and playing an exciting brand of basketball as well so that instead of being depressed we can now elevate that emotion to frustration due to our expectations typically exceeding our ability to meet them :)

Cheers!
DHP
 
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So, it's no surprise that defense will be the difference maker next year. I expect we'll win 25 games, finish 11-7 in a tougher Big 10, and get the dreaded 8 seed in the NCAA's. Should be a fun year in many respects, and kudos to Fran for bringing the program back and playing an exciting brand of basketball as well so that instead of being depressed we can now elevate that emotion to frustration due to our expectations typically exceeding our ability to meet them :)

Cheers!
DHP[/QUOTE]

Great analysis here I agree with everything other then your last few lines. If Iowa is 11-7 in the BIG they will be higher than a 8 seed :). But I'm just nit picking at this point. I hate wishing my life away but I'm ready for November already :).
 
There certainly seems to be a lot to look forward to, and the work this team needs objectively is clearly cut out, but the dreaded bottom line is that until this program stops peeing its pants when the games matter most, it simply will not get to the next level that we've been waiting for ever since Iowa showed Dr. Tom the door.
 
Good analysis, but I think improving on defense is the key to next level team success next year. IMO, if we do not upgrade our defense/rebounding I can see similar results to this year and a lot of fan frustration.
Defense will be improved with Jok not being in the lineup (not ripping on him, just fact) and the team having another year under their belt. That is a foregone conclusion.
 
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Well, most teams end the season with a loss, so despite that bad taste in our mouths at the moment '16-'17 was pretty successful. If it hadn't been we wouldn't feel so bad about the losses to TCU and Indiana :)

GOOD:
  • We found out early on that a lot of our ho-hum recruits like Pemsl, Kriener and Bohannon are actually outperforming their recruiting rankings - and in the case of Bohannon by a lot! Even Dailey showed that he has a pretty high ceiling. This was the biggest development of the year, imo.
  • Cook was almost as good as we hoped, and still has a high ceiling. His post moves evolved near the end of the year so he's on the right trajectory.
  • Moss showed flashes of being the athletic difference maker some hoped he would be.
  • Baer was Swiss Army Knife version 2.0 - a much better 3 point shooter by the end of the year also, which is huge.
  • Ellingson, although he struggled down the stretch, came back with the shooting year we all hoped he was capable of, and showed some savvy inside the arc as well. Happy for him.
  • Fran had a pretty good coaching year, both at a high level in terms of bringing along so many young kids and handling a long lineup card, as well as in games most of the time. No coach will be perfect in games but he won a few games with his choices and probably lost a couple, but overall well done.
  • Jok had one of the best shooting years of any Hawkeye player ever. Nice to see him grow during his career, a bit like Marble in that regard.
MEH:
  • Wagner was his normal, hard working, athletic self and gets a lot of credit for doing his thing on the court, but we didn't see much skill improvement on offense other than finishing off the bounce a little bit better.
  • Uhl still struggled to find a consistent outside shot, still lacks a finishing move off the dribble drive, and still sometimes will turn it over unnecessarily. However he is really active on defense and provides a really good ball handler at the forward spot. The good news is that he learned to only force his shots with the clock under 10 seconds so I found his shot selection to be fine.
  • Williams showed flashes, but still doesn't appear to be a natural PG - dribbles way to much and has no faith in any type of jump shot. Good defensively especially at the top of a zone, but without offensive skill in the half court it really hampers our offensive spacing and flow when he's controlling the ball.
BAD:
  • Our fairly good offensive awareness for a young team was offset by really poor defensive awareness and technique. This improved during the year (ie: getting back on defense and help rotations in particular) but clearly players need to do a better job of consistent intensity and hustle and keeping guys in front of them.


Looking forward to next season, here's my thoughts on how it might play out:

POSITION (minutes per game)

PG: Bohannon (30), McCaffrey (10), Williams (0)

Bohannon showed down the stretch that he can be an impact PG on offense, with 3 double digit assist games and with multiple 20 point scoring games as well. He's taking the ball inside when he needs to and learning how to either score or pass from there, which is why his point and assist totals went up at the end of the year. Still has a lot of work defensively, but he really helps space the floor for the offense and the defense needs to identify him every second. McCaffrey should provide a better backup as he brings a big, strong, steady presence to the floor - his length and size will allow him to play off the opposing PG slightly more and perhaps will be better defensively than JaBo, and is a much better outside shooter, ball handler and passer than Williams and so our offense will be spaced a lot better with him in there.

SG: Moss (28), Dailey (8), Ellingson (2), McCaffrey (2)

Moss may be a bit streakier than Jok, but overall I don't see a big downgrade here. He should provide more of a driving threat in the half court than Jok, is elite in the open court, and is much better defensively. With more minutes and an extra off season, I expect him to be very good next year. Dailey showed glimpses of someone who isn't necessarily elite at any one thing but who brings a lot of things to the table - shooting, athleticism, ball handling, length. He may be another year away from really making an impact, but I think he has the tools to really help us and we can use the athleticism from the wing both on offense and defense. Ellingson had a good year this year and provides experienced depth. McCaffrey will definitely get 10 mpg at PG, but to earn 15-20 mpg he'll have to beat out Dailey and Ellingson here. That will be an interesting battle to watch next year - it's clear what the bar probably is to beat Ellingson, but Dailey is a bit of a wild card. (I think JaBo needs to stay at PG when both he and Connor are in the game - he's a lot better up top with the ball imo). I'm hopefull Dailey can win this because his upside athletically on both sides of the court would really help.

SF: Baer (28), Uhl (8), Dailey (4)

Baer really came on with his outside shot late in the year, and his confidence showed. That is a really big deal for someone who was more of an opportunistic scorer than a true scorer. He still isn't a dribble drive threat for a SF, but he's another guy who spaces the floor and we're all aware what he can do off the ball and on defense. Could get stronger. If Uhl could simply figure out a reverse pivot finisher off his dribble drives or a running hook or something it would really help, because he does have good handles for his size and he is athletic. Literally - even just 1 finishing move could totally transform his image in the minds of Hawk fans. I thought his decision making was pretty good this year, he just needs 1 or 2 moves and it will open everything up for him. Dailey could get minutes here in a smaller lineup, perhaps freeing up more time for Connor at the SG spot.

PF: Cook (20), Pemsl (10), Nunge (10), Wagner (0)

This is where minutes are at a premium. Assuming Garza is ready to start at Center, this moves Cook to PF and it's pretty crowded here. Cook should start to show his face up game next season and being able to face up from 14 feet and shoot it will open up his dribble drive where he can go either hand as we saw in the PTL. He should continue to grow his offensive game. Pemsl is close to his ceiling imo but should continue to develop his ability to finish on the right block with the right hand to make him a harder guard. Nunge will be hard to keep off the court with his ability to space the floor to 3, which neither Cook or Pemsl (or Wagner) can offer. Wagner is left holding the short straw here, although I'm sure they'll sneak in some minutes. Off chance Nunge redshirts, but I don't see it.

C: Garza (20), Kriener (12), Cook (8)

Garza brings a lot of skill to the table, but so does Kriener and it will be interesting to see if Kriener can hold him off. Garza is the better player at the same age, but with the extra year of experience and off season training Kriener may surprise a bit next year (I like his skill set). Both are kids to be excited about and give us true Centers to work with. Cook should still get minutes here given the situation at PF is so crowded. Garza provides another guy who can hit the 3 (when paired with Nunge would give us 5 guys on the floor who can hit the 3!), and both he and Kriener can hit face up shots at a good rate, making it easier for them to both work the post or be a good high-low post feeder for Cook without their guy sagging on the pass. That helps a lot, compared to Pemsl trying to feed the post.

Overall a lot to be excited about, especially on offense. Sometimes it seems Fran over emphasizes offensive skills in his recruits as most of our guys not named Wagner or Williams come in with good tool sets, but defensively many of them aren't the best at lateral quickness and so we don't always cover the court well on help defense nor keep guys in front of us off the dribble. Neither Connor, Nunge or Garza are above average in this regard, so while they offer length we may still struggle a bit on defense. This is another reason I'm hopeful that Dailey can get a little stronger and give us another athletic option at SG and SF for certain matchups.

So, it's no surprise that defense will be the difference maker next year. I expect we'll win 25 games, finish 11-7 in a tougher Big 10, and get the dreaded 8 seed in the NCAA's. Should be a fun year in many respects, and kudos to Fran for bringing the program back and playing an exciting brand of basketball as well so that instead of being depressed we can now elevate that emotion to frustration due to our expectations typically exceeding our ability to meet them :)

Cheers!
DHP

Decisions will have to be made for sure. I don't see Garza and Kriener getting more minutes than Pemsl. Lots can happen between now and then, but having Garza play 20 minutes per game seems very high. Woodbury averaged 17 minutes a game, with much more opportunity for playing time than Garza has coming in.

I doubt Wagner gets zero minutes per game (assuming that he's here). For a team that needs defense and ability to get loose balls, he's not getting shut out of minutes.

Having a guy like Garza will certainly help against a Haas of Purdue or a Ward from MSU, or other bigs. But there are going to also be lots of games where he doesn't get many minutes based on matchups. It doesn't mean he stinks or isn't good, it just means there are a lot of guys at the position.
 
There certainly seems to be a lot to look forward to, and the work this team needs objectively is clearly cut out, but the dreaded bottom line is that until this program stops peeing its pants when the games matter most, it simply will not get to the next level that we've been waiting for ever since Iowa showed Dr. Tom the door.

You mean like when we won AT Maryland and AT Wisconsin to breathe any life into our NCAA chances?

When we were down 6 with like 20 seconds left in OT and got an open shot to tie it and extend the season?

I walked away from that game very excited about our chances in one possession games whenever we have the ball. Bohannon is clutch, Baer is becoming multi-dimensional on offense (shooting and back door cuts), Cook is a load on the block (and shooting MUCH BETTER at the end of the year). We will have options to score and with experience I expect our defense will come around.

I will be shocked if Bohannon doesn't get to enjoy a Sweet 16 run (or beyond).
 
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You mean like when we won AT Maryland and AT Wisconsin to breathe any life into our NCAA chances?

When we were down 6 with like 20 seconds left in OT and got an open shot to tie it and extend the season?

I walked away from that game very excited about our chances in one possession games whenever we have the ball. Bohannon is clutch, Baer is becoming multi-dimensional on offense (shooting and back door cuts), Cook is a load on the block (and shooting MUCH BETTER at the end of the year). We will have options to score and with experience I expect our defense will come around.

I will be shocked if Bohannon doesn't get to enjoy a Sweet 16 run (or beyond).

I said NEXT LEVEL, not upgrade from life support to stable condition, then just when you think things might go well, they call a code blue.
 
Decisions will have to be made for sure. I don't see Garza and Kriener getting more minutes than Pemsl. Lots can happen between now and then, but having Garza play 20 minutes per game seems very high. Woodbury averaged 17 minutes a game, with much more opportunity for playing time than Garza has coming in.

I doubt Wagner gets zero minutes per game (assuming that he's here). For a team that needs defense and ability to get loose balls, he's not getting shut out of minutes.

Having a guy like Garza will certainly help against a Haas of Purdue or a Ward from MSU, or other bigs. But there are going to also be lots of games where he doesn't get many minutes based on matchups. It doesn't mean he stinks or isn't good, it just means there are a lot of guys at the position.

I think fouls will be an issue with Garza. From my study of his stats in AAU, he would get in foul trouble. The good news is he also GOT guys in foul trouble and he's an excellent free throw shooter. I kind of expect center by committee at first with Kriener and Garza eventually taking the Olaseni/Woody role. This may be nuts, but I think Cook and Pemsl at the four, with Pemsl seeing time at the 5, 4 and even a little at the three is some circumstances. Go big!

Nunge, I think same thing. Depending on matchups 5, 4 and more three due to availability than anything else. Baer will be the designated 3 full time.

I wonder about Wagner and Uhl keeping their time on the court. But in fairness this is pure speculation and they may have something to say about how soon freshmen see the court.

Conner? I am guessing he'll get plenty of time as Bohannon's backup and also backing up Moss at the two. But then again, Williams, Dailey and Ellingson aren't going to give up anything without a battle. One of them will certainly emerge over the other two, and if two develop, they could keep Conner sitting beside his Dad more than I am anticipating.

It's a great problem to have, one we might not have as much if some guys transfer. We'll get a better idea in a few weeks about what we have to work with.

Personally, I have NO problem if nobody leaves, I have NO problem if a role player does leave. Just as long as the core group of Baer, Cook, Bohannon, Kriener, Pemsl and Moss stick around, with the guys coming in, we're in great shape.
 
I hope Nunge redshirts next year. I think Wagner has improved a lot, and is starting to realize/play to his strengths. I see Wagner, Williams, Ellington playing bigger roles next year. I think Fran will give Uhl a chance to gain some confidence in his offensive game.
 
So you are guessing that Williams and Wagner will transfer out, Dailey plays 12 minutes and Ellingson plays 2 minutes per game? Why does Dailey play 10 more minutes than Brady? He didn't this year. You don't see Moss as much of a downgrade from Jok? Jok was 1st team All B1G and it's leading scorer. Moss is better defensively yes, but he is light years away from PJ offensively.
 
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The young un's gained a lot of game experience this year. They demonstrated solid offensive skills and team passing improved as the year progressed. All good things to be enthused about on that end of the court and bode well for next year.

Defense remained a struggle and there was less growth on that front than what I was hoping to see. The individual and team defensive play against tcu had most of the same weaknesses and gaffes that they demonstrated throughout the year. I don't expect them to shut teams down; that would not go well with a team that offensively wants to run the floor. But, they must improve to the point where they can get a few key stops in a game. Half a dozen or so extra defensive stands in a game will add up in the win column.

I think that another 10 win season in the B1G is a good possibility. Combine that with an improved non-con record and they have a good shot at getting back to the NCAA tourney next year.
 
What? You call what we are in now life support? Get a life pal.

That's not what I said, and I think some of you are getting me wrong. I think we can all agree that this team has talent and potential, and has had some moments that could be a sign of better things to come. But as much as we all like Fran, his tenure is chock-full of late season and/or post-season disappointment, even with his veteran teams, and that is where it counts. A 2-7 BTT record is plain awful, especially considering we were considerable favorites in most of those games with a lot to play for. And in the 2 games when we actually positioned ourselves for a possible Sweet 16, the games were over after 10 minutes. Now this NIT flame-out - heck, I wasn't even sure TCU had a basketball team until this year. No matter how much more success Iowa achieves during the regular season, those are things that MUST improve if Iowa wants to have any kind of relevance.
 
That's not what I said, and I think some of you are getting me wrong. I think we can all agree that this team has talent and potential, and has had some moments that could be a sign of better things to come. But as much as we all like Fran, his tenure is chock-full of late season and/or post-season disappointment, even with his veteran teams, and that is where it counts. A 2-7 BTT record is plain awful, especially considering we were considerable favorites in most of those games with a lot to play for. And in the 2 games when we actually positioned ourselves for a possible Sweet 16, the games were over after 10 minutes. Now this NIT flame-out - heck, I wasn't even sure TCU had a basketball team until this year. No matter how much more success Iowa achieves during the regular season, those are things that MUST improve if Iowa wants to have any kind of relevance.
And they will, so sit back and relax.
 
WILLIAMS / WAGNER: I'm not necessarily guessing Williams and Wagner transfer, but at this point I don't see where Williams will get minutes. Wagner may get a few (I didn't bother giving him 1-2) pending Nunge's level of play, but Wagner has shown little sign that he's going to get a back to the basket game (Pemsl, Cook, Kriener, Garza) or face up jumper (Nunge Kriener, Garza) any time soon. He's good defensively but is SF sized an I just don't see where you can justify him just on defense given the advantages the others have in size and offensive skill level. That being said, if Nunge isn't ready Wagner would get minutes, so I don't see him transferring.

DAILEY / ELLINGSON: Ellingson's play this year is very close to his ceiling, wouldn't you agree? Dailey's ceiling has yet to be established so I'm making a projection that we may see him more next year, unless you think that both of them will have the same growth curve this year to next. Is that what you're saying? Clearly Ellingson could earn more minutes than Dailey, but as I said several times I'm hopeful that Dailey comes along to surpass him as he should be a better defender and all around player.....maybe.

MOSS / JOK: Jok was All-Big 10 because of his offense obviously, but Moss showed he can score in bunches and is still growing into his game just like Jok did every year. As I implied, Moss won't have the offensive impact that Jok had this year, but his overall impact could be similar because quite honestly Jok was one of our worst defenders many times (sometimes due to injury, but it all counts relative to next year) and Moss is a lot better on the break.

WHO HAS MOST UPSIDE: Again, if you want to assume that some of these young players don't develop much, that's fair, but I'm assuming that some of them with higher ceilings make some inroads: Dailey, Moss, Cook and Kriener appear to me to have the biggest likelihood to grow quite a bit still and I'm baking that into this analysis. Bohannon, Baer, Pemsl, Wagner, Williams and Ellingson I believe are closer to their ceilings at least on offense imo. Baer showed unexpected growth this year with his 3 point shot, which was great, btw.

Of the freshman I think Nunge has the most room to grow before hitting his ceiling, and then Garza, and then Connor.
 
Main rotation:

1. Bohannon-McCaffery 30/9
2. Moss/McCaffery 25/10
3. Wagner/Baer 14/24

4/5. Paired together:
Cook/Garza 22 min. Garza picks/pops, creates space for Cook
Pemsl/Nunge 18 min. Pemsl gets one-on-one defense in the post, Nunge takes his defender to the arc.

Less than 5 minutes each, unless there are foul issues or injury:

Williams used as a defensive specialist, or when primary guards are in foul trouble. (5 min. split between 1 and 3)
Ellingson used as a designated 3-point shooter. (5 minutes at the 2)
Kreiner is the 4/5 sub, when any one of the primary center/forwards are in foul trouble.

Dailey - transfers, or remains outside the rotation
Uhl - redshirts, finishes his degree, goes elsewhere as a Grad transfer. (sounds crazy, I know)
 
That's not what I said, and I think some of you are getting me wrong. I think we can all agree that this team has talent and potential, and has had some moments that could be a sign of better things to come. But as much as we all like Fran, his tenure is chock-full of late season and/or post-season disappointment, even with his veteran teams, and that is where it counts. A 2-7 BTT record is plain awful, especially considering we were considerable favorites in most of those games with a lot to play for. And in the 2 games when we actually positioned ourselves for a possible Sweet 16, the games were over after 10 minutes. Now this NIT flame-out - heck, I wasn't even sure TCU had a basketball team until this year. No matter how much more success Iowa achieves during the regular season, those are things that MUST improve if Iowa wants to have any kind of relevance.

I responded by pointing out multiple instances where we had improved this year compared to the last four (which was dominated by the seniors that graduated last year). I would say, that is reason for optimism, expecting that we will start to see a shift in "close game record" where Bohannon or Cook are scoring game winners.

The previous year, we had a huge road game at Maryland and had one of the worst shooting performances of the year. This year, we went in needing a victory to get near the discussion for an NCAA bid and shot lights out. We followed that up with a win at the Kohl center. Ask the other teams around the league if that is good...

In one year, we saw trends start to change, yet you posted as if none of these things happened this year. You want to act like because they didn't make the Sweet 16 they've proven nothing, but the fact is, they did prove that in certain instances this group of freshmen are already ahead of our previous four-year starters.
 
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To the original question. A trip to the round of 32 would be good, 16 would be great next year. These Freshman/Sophomores are 2 years out from being really, really good.

The B1G promises to be stronger overall next year too though. Lots of youth this year.
 
Agree with all your assessments especially Wagner. Just don't see him being able to make the improvement in his "weakness" to earn the playing time. Easier for a player like Baer to improve on his "weakness" ( which I think is physical strength) by spending the offseason in the weight room than Wagner to improve his weakness (offensive skills). I think Wagner can spend all day in the gym shooting jump shots and he just won't be able to make the kind of improvement needed to make him a truly valuable player. I'd love for nothing more than him to make me eat my words!
 
Agree with all your assessments especially Wagner. Just don't see him being able to make the improvement in his "weakness" to earn the playing time. Easier for a player like Baer to improve on his "weakness" ( which I think is physical strength) by spending the offseason in the weight room than Wagner to improve his weakness (offensive skills). I think Wagner can spend all day in the gym shooting jump shots and he just won't be able to make the kind of improvement needed to make him a truly valuable player. I'd love for nothing more than him to make me eat my words!
This or join the football team as a WR!
 
There certainly seems to be a lot to look forward to, and the work this team needs objectively is clearly cut out, but the dreaded bottom line is that until this program stops peeing its pants when the games matter most, it simply will not get to the next level that we've been waiting for ever since Iowa showed Dr. Tom the door.
I honestly don't think this years group (peed it's pants at all). Just don't think they were ready to play at the level needed night in, night out. Think it had more to do with youth this year then lack of stones. The next year or so will be telling.
 
I said NEXT LEVEL, not upgrade from life support to stable condition, then just when you think things might go well, they call a code blue.

I think if any of the B1G teams (Wisconsin, Purdue, and Michigan) win again and therefore play above their "seed level" even more so than they already have this season, it also might put pressure on the NCAA to reevaluate how RPI ratings, etc. can be skewed in failing to accurately measure the higher than seeded strength of young and talented conferences like the B1G this year in the coming years. I would like to think that the RPI might have some waiting coefficient that weighs the wins and losses in a schedule a little more later in the year than early in the year, so that the strengths of schools are more accurately measured when as younger and inexperienced (but still talented teams) they lose more at the beginning of the year games that they would have won if played later in the year (and perhaps with different personnel situations with injuries, etc. too). Iowa had beaten all of those B1G teams that have advanced, and belong in the field in my book. The RPI hurts this evaluation process as it currently evaluates conferences whose schedules of non-conf games at the beginning of the year heavily exacerbate this problem.

With as many upsets to seeded teams in both NCAA and NIT tournaments, I think they might just use this year to reevaluate their criteria for rating schools, that I think will help schools like Iowa this year in the future.
 
I would like to think that the RPI might have some waiting coefficient that weighs the wins and losses in a schedule a little more later in the year than early in the year, so that the strengths of schools are more accurately measured when as younger and inexperienced (but still talented teams) they lose more at the beginning of the year games that they would have won if played later in the year (and perhaps with different personnel situations with injuries, etc. too).

While I like your idea the problem arises that the only "apple to apple" comparison between different conferences is early during the season. Maybe they might look at playing some of the 'conference challenge games' between Xmas and New Years Day.
 
Great OP. Normally The Baer would be the lock to start and is clearly the best returning player at that position. But, he creates the most impact if you open the Baer cage and unleash the beast a few minutes into play. Just does so many things to swing the game toward the Hawks.

Biggest question mark has to be what's behind Bo. CW kills the offense. No one knows what Dailey or the younger McC can do to improve that situation.

Just saw the spring two deeps in football. It appears AW remains the best receiver on campus.
 
So you are guessing that Williams and Wagner will transfer out, Dailey plays 12 minutes and Ellingson plays 2 minutes per game? Why does Dailey play 10 more minutes than Brady? He didn't this year. You don't see Moss as much of a downgrade from Jok? Jok was 1st team All B1G and it's leading scorer. Moss is better defensively yes, but he is light years away from PJ offensively.
dailey is a better athlete than brady . as the competition heated up after the rutgers game brady disappeared .
 
Great OP. Normally The Baer would be the lock to start and is clearly the best returning player at that position. But, he creates the most impact if you open the Baer cage and unleash the beast a few minutes into play. Just does so many things to swing the game toward the Hawks.

Biggest question mark has to be what's behind Bo. CW kills the offense. No one knows what Dailey or the younger McC can do to improve that situation.

Just saw the spring two deeps in football. It appears AW remains the best receiver on campus.

I think Williams should slide over to the 3.
 
I think if any of the B1G teams (Wisconsin, Purdue, and Michigan) win again and therefore play above their "seed level" even more so than they already have this season, it also might put pressure on the NCAA to reevaluate how RPI ratings, etc. can be skewed in failing to accurately measure the higher than seeded strength of young and talented conferences like the B1G this year in the coming years. I would like to think that the RPI might have some waiting coefficient that weighs the wins and losses in a schedule a little more later in the year than early in the year, so that the strengths of schools are more accurately measured when as younger and inexperienced (but still talented teams) they lose more at the beginning of the year games that they would have won if played later in the year (and perhaps with different personnel situations with injuries, etc. too). Iowa had beaten all of those B1G teams that have advanced, and belong in the field in my book. The RPI hurts this evaluation process as it currently evaluates conferences whose schedules of non-conf games at the beginning of the year heavily exacerbate this problem.

With as many upsets to seeded teams in both NCAA and NIT tournaments, I think they might just use this year to reevaluate their criteria for rating schools, that I think will help schools like Iowa this year in the future.

The committee announced earlier this year that additional metrics will have consideration in future years beyond RPI. What, exactly, has yet to be determined. I agree that RPI is a flawed metric in many weighs, giving more weight to a road win over a crappy team than a home win against a great win. And doesn't take margin of victory or loss into consideration.

The weighting toward the end of the year is an interesting concept. There was a study from a few years back that looked at how "hot" a team was heading into the tournament had any bearing on that team's performance. It turned out it really made no difference in how that team performed against its seed. Look at this year. South Carolina was really bad at the end of the year, now they are in the Sweet 16. The team SC beat, Duke, rolled through the ACC tournament and then they get bounced in round of 32. KU lost to TCU in B12 tournament and then won first two rounds by 20+ points. Iowa State won the B12 tournament and then lost when the seeds said they should lose.

As to Iowa, none of the metrics liked them all that much this year. The RPI dinged Iowa due to the amount of games against the really bad teams like Savannah State, Delaware State, etc. KenPom had Iowa at 71 and Sagarin 67. Those metrics didn't care for Iowa due to the amount of blowouts or wide-margin losses Iowa had (Virginia, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern). Iowa's RPI ended up 81. Had Iowa defeated Indiana in the BTT, it's likely Iowa's RPI would have been good enough that the committee would have felt okay putting them in due to the quality of Iowa's wins. Wins over Purdue, Iowa State, Michigan, road wins at Wisconsin, Maryland were better than many teams who did get it. It's just the RPI was too high.
 
The weighting toward the end of the year is an interesting concept. There was a study from a few years back that looked at how "hot" a team was heading into the tournament had any bearing on that team's performance. It turned out it really made no difference in how that team performed against its seed. Look at this year. South Carolina was really bad at the end of the year, now they are in the Sweet 16. The team SC beat, Duke, rolled through the ACC tournament and then they get bounced in round of 32. KU lost to TCU in B12 tournament and then won first two rounds by 20+ points. Iowa State won the B12 tournament and then lost when the seeds said they should lose.

Many teams probably wouldn't be that affected by a weighting factor favoring the end of the year, and perhaps it would have conferences make sure that there is balance in the scheduling so that tough matchups aren't concentrated at the beginning or at the end of the year to ensure some teams don't get penalized or benefitted if this were put in place.

But in addition to helping teams that perhaps benefit over the year with more experience and getting better over the year when they were perhaps young at the beginning of the year (which I think is more and more of a problem for many problems with increased emphasis on many players leaving early for the NBA), I think it also helps ensure that those that either have heavy injury problems at the beginning or at the end are given more attention based on how healthy they are at the end of the season (when they are playing in the tourney) rather than at the beginning where they might be a lot worse or better than they are at the end with injuries factored in.

It benefits all teams (those teams that played the more favored seeded teams too) to have a more accurate picture of the strength of the team at the end of the season reflect more on their seeding in the tourney than the performances at the beginning.
 
I agree. Fewer ball handling responsibilities might bring out some offensive skill. Right now he's a terrible shooter in almost every way.
If you are going to move Williams from point, I'd rather play him at the 3 where he can use his handles to drive. He doesn't have the outside shot to be a shooting guard. Not that there is a huge difference.
 
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Well, most teams end the season with a loss, so despite that bad taste in our mouths at the moment '16-'17 was pretty successful. If it hadn't been we wouldn't feel so bad about the losses to TCU and Indiana :)

GOOD:
  • We found out early on that a lot of our ho-hum recruits like Pemsl, Kriener and Bohannon are actually outperforming their recruiting rankings - and in the case of Bohannon by a lot! Even Dailey showed that he has a pretty high ceiling. This was the biggest development of the year, imo.
  • Cook was almost as good as we hoped, and still has a high ceiling. His post moves evolved near the end of the year so he's on the right trajectory.
  • Moss showed flashes of being the athletic difference maker some hoped he would be.
  • Baer was Swiss Army Knife version 2.0 - a much better 3 point shooter by the end of the year also, which is huge.
  • Ellingson, although he struggled down the stretch, came back with the shooting year we all hoped he was capable of, and showed some savvy inside the arc as well. Happy for him.
  • Fran had a pretty good coaching year, both at a high level in terms of bringing along so many young kids and handling a long lineup card, as well as in games most of the time. No coach will be perfect in games but he won a few games with his choices and probably lost a couple, but overall well done.
  • Jok had one of the best shooting years of any Hawkeye player ever. Nice to see him grow during his career, a bit like Marble in that regard.
MEH:
  • Wagner was his normal, hard working, athletic self and gets a lot of credit for doing his thing on the court, but we didn't see much skill improvement on offense other than finishing off the bounce a little bit better.
  • Uhl still struggled to find a consistent outside shot, still lacks a finishing move off the dribble drive, and still sometimes will turn it over unnecessarily. However he is really active on defense and provides a really good ball handler at the forward spot. The good news is that he learned to only force his shots with the clock under 10 seconds so I found his shot selection to be fine.
  • Williams showed flashes, but still doesn't appear to be a natural PG - dribbles way to much and has no faith in any type of jump shot. Good defensively especially at the top of a zone, but without offensive skill in the half court it really hampers our offensive spacing and flow when he's controlling the ball.
BAD:
  • Our fairly good offensive awareness for a young team was offset by really poor defensive awareness and technique. This improved during the year (ie: getting back on defense and help rotations in particular) but clearly players need to do a better job of consistent intensity and hustle and keeping guys in front of them.


Looking forward to next season, here's my thoughts on how it might play out:

POSITION (minutes per game)

PG: Bohannon (30), McCaffrey (10), Williams (0)

Bohannon showed down the stretch that he can be an impact PG on offense, with 3 double digit assist games and with multiple 20 point scoring games as well. He's taking the ball inside when he needs to and learning how to either score or pass from there, which is why his point and assist totals went up at the end of the year. Still has a lot of work defensively, but he really helps space the floor for the offense and the defense needs to identify him every second. McCaffrey should provide a better backup as he brings a big, strong, steady presence to the floor - his length and size will allow him to play off the opposing PG slightly more and perhaps will be better defensively than JaBo, and is a much better outside shooter, ball handler and passer than Williams and so our offense will be spaced a lot better with him in there.

SG: Moss (28), Dailey (8), Ellingson (2), McCaffrey (2)

Moss may be a bit streakier than Jok, but overall I don't see a big downgrade here. He should provide more of a driving threat in the half court than Jok, is elite in the open court, and is much better defensively. With more minutes and an extra off season, I expect him to be very good next year. Dailey showed glimpses of someone who isn't necessarily elite at any one thing but who brings a lot of things to the table - shooting, athleticism, ball handling, length. He may be another year away from really making an impact, but I think he has the tools to really help us and we can use the athleticism from the wing both on offense and defense. Ellingson had a good year this year and provides experienced depth. McCaffrey will definitely get 10 mpg at PG, but to earn 15-20 mpg he'll have to beat out Dailey and Ellingson here. That will be an interesting battle to watch next year - it's clear what the bar probably is to beat Ellingson, but Dailey is a bit of a wild card. (I think JaBo needs to stay at PG when both he and Connor are in the game - he's a lot better up top with the ball imo). I'm hopefull Dailey can win this because his upside athletically on both sides of the court would really help.

SF: Baer (28), Uhl (8), Dailey (4)

Baer really came on with his outside shot late in the year, and his confidence showed. That is a really big deal for someone who was more of an opportunistic scorer than a true scorer. He still isn't a dribble drive threat for a SF, but he's another guy who spaces the floor and we're all aware what he can do off the ball and on defense. Could get stronger. If Uhl could simply figure out a reverse pivot finisher off his dribble drives or a running hook or something it would really help, because he does have good handles for his size and he is athletic. Literally - even just 1 finishing move could totally transform his image in the minds of Hawk fans. I thought his decision making was pretty good this year, he just needs 1 or 2 moves and it will open everything up for him. Dailey could get minutes here in a smaller lineup, perhaps freeing up more time for Connor at the SG spot.

PF: Cook (20), Pemsl (10), Nunge (10), Wagner (0)

This is where minutes are at a premium. Assuming Garza is ready to start at Center, this moves Cook to PF and it's pretty crowded here. Cook should start to show his face up game next season and being able to face up from 14 feet and shoot it will open up his dribble drive where he can go either hand as we saw in the PTL. He should continue to grow his offensive game. Pemsl is close to his ceiling imo but should continue to develop his ability to finish on the right block with the right hand to make him a harder guard. Nunge will be hard to keep off the court with his ability to space the floor to 3, which neither Cook or Pemsl (or Wagner) can offer. Wagner is left holding the short straw here, although I'm sure they'll sneak in some minutes. Off chance Nunge redshirts, but I don't see it.

C: Garza (20), Kriener (12), Cook (8)

Garza brings a lot of skill to the table, but so does Kriener and it will be interesting to see if Kriener can hold him off. Garza is the better player at the same age, but with the extra year of experience and off season training Kriener may surprise a bit next year (I like his skill set). Both are kids to be excited about and give us true Centers to work with. Cook should still get minutes here given the situation at PF is so crowded. Garza provides another guy who can hit the 3 (when paired with Nunge would give us 5 guys on the floor who can hit the 3!), and both he and Kriener can hit face up shots at a good rate, making it easier for them to both work the post or be a good high-low post feeder for Cook without their guy sagging on the pass. That helps a lot, compared to Pemsl trying to feed the post.

Overall a lot to be excited about, especially on offense. Sometimes it seems Fran over emphasizes offensive skills in his recruits as most of our guys not named Wagner or Williams come in with good tool sets, but defensively many of them aren't the best at lateral quickness and so we don't always cover the court well on help defense nor keep guys in front of us off the dribble. Neither Connor, Nunge or Garza are above average in this regard, so while they offer length we may still struggle a bit on defense. This is another reason I'm hopeful that Dailey can get a little stronger and give us another athletic option at SG and SF for certain matchups.

So, it's no surprise that defense will be the difference maker next year. I expect we'll win 25 games, finish 11-7 in a tougher Big 10, and get the dreaded 8 seed in the NCAA's. Should be a fun year in many respects, and kudos to Fran for bringing the program back and playing an exciting brand of basketball as well so that instead of being depressed we can now elevate that emotion to frustration due to our expectations typically exceeding our ability to meet them :)

Cheers!
DHP
Really good stuff, but I'm hoping Pemsl is playing more than 10 minutes next year. 25/15 split between he and Cook hopefully to keep both at full energy at the PF spot. Maybe even more for Pemsl, possibly slipping in at the 5 here and there.
C: I imagine Wagner plays at least 10-12 per game here, probably a 3 way split between he, Garza and Kriener, with the best player moving ahead of the others in minutes as the season goes on.
If Nunge does play, his path to playing time is likely at the 3. I just don't see how he is going to take any playing time away from Pemsl and Cook. Hopefully Nunge backs up Baer and we don't have to worry about Uhl at all.
Finally, wonder if Williams slides to the 2 all together next year with Connor in the fold to back up Jabo. Then the battle for minutes unfolds at the 2 for Williams, Dailey, and Ellingson behind Moss.
 
So you are guessing that Williams and Wagner will transfer out, Dailey plays 12 minutes and Ellingson plays 2 minutes per game? Why does Dailey play 10 more minutes than Brady? He didn't this year. You don't see Moss as much of a downgrade from Jok? Jok was 1st team All B1G and it's leading scorer. Moss is better defensively yes, but he is light years away from PJ offensively.
Lets compare Moss and Jok as redshirt freshmen and then decide if Pete is light years ahead. Moss has plenty of game. He's already better then Jok going to the rack, both in the 1/2 court and in transition. Needs to work on his handles, but again he's pretty comparable to Jok now. Jok has one of the sweetest strokes from three you'll ever witness, but his % isn't much better then Moss. With hard work the next six months, Moss could be a major force for Iowa next year as a redshirt sophomore, while I think Jok was a role player that averaged around 7 points per game. Maybe we should compare apples to apples here.
 
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