Yeah, I looked at the Iowa schedule at the beginning of the season and actually thought that the Hawkeyes had a legit shot at a one-loss season - OSU being the lone loss. 6-4 (5-3 in the B1G) is kind of shocking. Sure never expected those results
Time to burn it down and start over
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Not happy about the loss, or those games BUT are you saying that MSU (given their mess with the previous coach) or UCLA given how bad they've been for sometime REALLY had a choice? Taking the visuals of a more fun offense to watch aside, would UCLA, MSU, or hell even Indiana have moved on from last years staff had they won 10 games last year or averaged about 9 wins over the last decade? WE all know they would not have, and yet people think that Iowa should have. The only team I know of thats stupid enough to do that (other then some blue bloods) is Nebraska. Enough said right there. Teams that win 9 or 10 games don't fire their coaches. How this season ends and next year will probably usher the end of Kirks time at Iowa one way or the other, unless he pulls out some magic next season, but the time is near...
Sounds awfully “Nebraska-ish” to me…”Fan apathy” is not a coaching responsibility… it’s a lame excuse from the fan base.
Kirk keeps padding his most losses record.
Lame.? Hardly that . what’s wrong with wanting more ? So you’re happy with this product on the field ? I’m not I want what the top teams are doing. playing in the big games against the best . If you think playing in the mayonnaise bowl is ok so be it .
I didn’t say I’m “happy”… I said that “fan apathy” is NOT a coaching problem… it is a fan base issue.
If you want to compete, put your phuquin’ money where your mouth is…it’s gonna cost you a bunch more just to have a reasonable chance of higher level success. Is it worth it? If you think it is….. you’re gonna have to ante up. BIG TIME.
I would too, shoot, what a deal if he was the Iowa head coach when I began college at Iowa and still the head coach when I retire in 10-15 years. Hilarious
Iowa fans have been happy with KF and the defensive and special teams results just not on the offensive side of the ball.
He is too risk averse for today’s game that Iowa is losing and will continue to do so until Lester gets his guys in the program at QB and WR…3 star to close to four star guys that are missed by the big time programs but are still athletes. He either adapts or needs to retire in my view. Let someone younger take over and run the show in Wallace or Woods. If that doesn’t work, bring in an outside coach to rework the entire program. KF is paid $7 mil to be the CEO of Iowa Football and needs to make the necessary changes where warranted but he didn’t do it and his hand forced last year by others to make that change for him. That’s not the guy I want running Iowa Football if he isn’t willing to make an honest assessment followed by the necessary changes to make the program the best it can be.
I was at the game—at least 65-70% of butts in seats had Hawkeye gear on. In spite of how disappointed we all are with the KF regime and how we’re playing, I’d say fan support is amazing. You wouldn’t say there’s fan apathy if you were there.
I don't know if it's necessary time to burn IT down, but it certainly is time to burn ONE down.
Once again, I NEVER said it wasn't time to make a change. The post I responded to said, "that these two programs "burnt it down ad started over". My point was of course they did, because the two teams he referenced had no other choice. One school the coach had such a scandal (Tucker) they had to run him and the other hadn't done shit in over 50 years. Thats hardly the same case as Iowa where we've been winning 9 games a year some times more, and NONE of these second level schools would have fired their coach given that record. NONE. Now this year and next may in fact bring an end to Kirks tenure, but none of these schools, (save OSU or Michigan) would have fired him at this point. To say otherwise is disingenuous..
Cade was the chosen starter by Kirk. He gave us the best chance to win according to Kirk. Guess what, Cades not even the best backup. Sullivan is far better than Cade. Cade shouldn’t get another snap here.
No - he should be fired for not (after 26 yrs) being able to recruit, retain, and develop better quarterbacks than we presently have. QB room has been inept for several years. And development has been non-existent. That all falls on Ferentz.
Its the only one that matters, so it might as well be everything.
Until one big donor, or a group of them come together, to buy his contract out - he's cemented in.
Honestly, on just on his track record, I don’t think he’s a HOF coach. He’s won 2 conference championships in 26 years. With the last one being 20 years ago. His real legacy has been having just good enough runs to keep him off the hot seat.
Nowhere in recruiting?????
Iowa Recruiting Rankings on Rivals in recent years:
2023: 27 (currently)
2022: 30
2021: 24
2020: 35
2019: 41
2018: 40
2017: 40
2016: 42
2015: 58
2014: 59
Sure looks to be trending in the right direction.
Finished in the AP top 25 in 5 of the previous 6 seasons.
Average of 8 wins a year over 25 years. How many programs can say that? Throw out the first two rebuilding years and that number jumps. Only 2 other loosing seasons besides those first two.
Yeah you can want more, but so do spoiled children. Yeah, I get frustrated at the vanilla and anemic offense but year over year, this program is built with a standard higher than most.
Iowa Recruiting Rankings on Rivals in recent years:
2023: 27 (currently)
2022: 30
2021: 24
2020: 35
2019: 41
2018: 40
2017: 40
2016: 42
2015: 58
2014: 59
Sure looks to be trending in the right direction.
Finished in the AP top 25 in 5 of the previous 6 seasons.
Average of 8 wins a year over 25 years. How many programs can say that? Throw out the first two rebuilding years and that number jumps. Only 2 other loosing seasons besides those first two.
Yeah you can want more, but so do spoiled children. Yeah, I get frustrated at the vanilla and anemic offense but year over year, this program is built with a standard higher than most.
7-5 8-4 are you kidding 5-7 will be good in the coming decade
This little program will not be able to compete with the new conference money teams
OSU, Oregon, USC, PennSt, Michigan, have big $$$$$ and are using it
I would say that you are not very smart. He is 220 and went to Northwestern. They don't take dummies there.
This loss was not as bad as Michigan State and Iowa State. Those two teams are average at best.
UCLA is a better team than Iowa and it was on the road
UCLA is a better team than Iowa and it was on the road
Over the past 24 hours I've been trying to collect my thoughts and reflect on what happened last night and over the course of the season. Last season Kirk did more with less, now he's doing less with more. The amount of starters returning on defense and the OLine alone should have secured us 9 wins.
I don't believe we should go scorched Earth on the program, but it's clear that Kirk needs to go. His brand of football is obsolete and no longer works with the modern day game. Sure, it works against notoriously poor programs, or teams that are suffering massive attrition (Washington) or having an identity crisis (Wisconsin). But when we play teams with real talent, we're exposed in the worst way. This can be proven over the course of 3 or so years. Around a decade ago, Iowa could hang with these excellent programs. It may not have always resulted in a win, but there were a few times were we were able to pull one out e.g. PSU 2008, Michigan 2016, etc. Those games no longer happen. Instead it's just epic beatdowns.
Sure, Kirk has got us some excellent wins, shared B1G titles, and above average wins per season. But man does it feel like the program is on the verge of collapse. We're either kicking ass or getting our asses kicked. The score looked close with UCLA, but the stats prove otherwise. If UCLA was a more disciplined program, they probably would've beat us by 3+ scores. It just feels like it's time for a change. Seth Wallace, Lavar Woods, Tim Lester, Ladell Betts, and Abdul Hodge are all terrific coaches. But Kirk, Budmeyer, and Barnett just don't cut it.
You see programs like Indiana show what you can do with a coach that has a killer instinct and can utilize the portal. We need to follow suit and find someone who has that same instinct. The losses against MSU and UCLA are nothing short of embarrassing and prove that change must happen in Iowa City.
I don't believe we should go scorched Earth on the program, but it's clear that Kirk needs to go. His brand of football is obsolete and no longer works with the modern day game. Sure, it works against notoriously poor programs, or teams that are suffering massive attrition (Washington) or having an identity crisis (Wisconsin). But when we play teams with real talent, we're exposed in the worst way. This can be proven over the course of 3 or so years. Around a decade ago, Iowa could hang with these excellent programs. It may not have always resulted in a win, but there were a few times were we were able to pull one out e.g. PSU 2008, Michigan 2016, etc. Those games no longer happen. Instead it's just epic beatdowns.
Sure, Kirk has got us some excellent wins, shared B1G titles, and above average wins per season. But man does it feel like the program is on the verge of collapse. We're either kicking ass or getting our asses kicked. The score looked close with UCLA, but the stats prove otherwise. If UCLA was a more disciplined program, they probably would've beat us by 3+ scores. It just feels like it's time for a change. Seth Wallace, Lavar Woods, Tim Lester, Ladell Betts, and Abdul Hodge are all terrific coaches. But Kirk, Budmeyer, and Barnett just don't cut it.
You see programs like Indiana show what you can do with a coach that has a killer instinct and can utilize the portal. We need to follow suit and find someone who has that same instinct. The losses against MSU and UCLA are nothing short of embarrassing and prove that change must happen in Iowa City.
It did seem like when Sully ran the ball versus UCLA, he was too indesisive on what to do. Which direction to go, when to slide, when to run out of bounds...
Thus taking too many hits. And it got him hurt.
Probably because Ferentz instilled his silly *** QB strategy and Sullivan does not rely on his instincts. It happens to every Ferentz QB and is disgusting.
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I can’t speak for OP, but my interpretation when this term is used is the same as “clean house” - get rid of everyone involved with coaching/managing the football team and replace them with people who have no previous association.
No, "delusional" might be a word to describe you guys.
"Burn down" what is clearly a good football program? There's a genius idea. You literally can't make this shit up.
I have 25 years of results to support what I'm saying. This isn't even a conversation. It's a joke
So you make major program personnel decisions based upon 1 season out of 26 years of data?
Just stop
That'll will end up 8-4, btw
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