Time to Narrow it Down Fran

[Peckerboy]

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I have seen enough... In fact to much.. If Iowa is going to make an impact Fran has to go with the best he has... Way to much substitution and looking for the right combination... it's become pretty apparent who is going to step up and be impact players here is my group.Just for fun let's make it an even 200 minutes to divide up.

These two guys have to be in the game big time I am talking 35 minutes plus..

Peter Jok (35)
Tyler Cook (35)


Baer (25)
Pemsl (25)
Wagner (20)
Uhl (20)

These guys can be rotated I would hope two of these guys will separate themselves from the pack and be able to go 30 minutes a game.

Williams (20)
Bohannan (20)

This is the big problem area for Iowa. When you do not have a leader at the point you are not going to win at the highest level and neither of these two are close to being that person. Eventually someone has to step up . I would like to see one of these two step up and assume the PG position


Really do not see any of the below playing substantial minutes but obviously you would like to see Moss or Dailey step up and contribute at the PG position .

Dailey
Moss
Kreiner
Jones

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[HawkAssassin]

Only 7 players got more than 6 minutes.... and you forgot Uhl.

 

[Hawked]

So you want Pemsl in more for Uhl? All other minutes were about what you want.

 

[RocknRollface]

Actually, I want to see what else weve got.

Especially Moss.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

Hmm that's interesting. I thought he shortened players minutes tonight, too much IMO. But I know he wanted this one badly so he went with who he was most confident in and lost a bit of an opportunity to expand players experience. Oh well we will see, regardless this should be a good learning experience .

 

[non-poster]

Three games into the season. Coming off their first strong opponent. And you have seen too much? Already deciding what the rotation and number of minutes for everyone for the rest of the year should be. Especially for such a young and still very green group.

I get it's a message board and discussion if good, but seriously. Acknowledge the reality of the situation and back up a little. The truth is, no one (not even the coaches) at this point knows how fast the Freshmen and several of the role players now expected to pick up the slack are going to develop. With the exception of about 2, maybe 3 players, it's way too early to know what you are going to get this year.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Hmm that's interesting. I thought he shortened players minutes tonight, too much IMO. But I know he wanted this one badly so he went with who he was most confident in and lost a bit of an opportunity to expand players experience. Oh well we will see, regardless this should be a good learning experience .

and teaching tool...

 

[Peckerboy]

I have seen enough... In fact to much.. If Iowa is going to make an impact Fran has to go with the best he has... Way to much substitution and looking for the right combination... it's become pretty apparent who is going to step up and be impact players here is my group.Just for fun let's make it an even 200 minutes to divide up.

These two guys have to be in the game big time I am talking 35 minutes plus..

Peter Jok (35)
Tyler Cook (35)


Baer (25)
Pemsl (25)
Wagner (20)
Uhl 20)

These guys can be rotated, I would hope two of these guys will separate themselves from the pack. Then those two guys should be able to go 30 minutes a piece.

Williams (20)
Bohannan (20)

This is the big problem area for Iowa. When you do not have a leader at the point you are not going to win at the highest level and neither of these two are close to being that person. Eventually someone has to step up . I would like to see one of these two step up and assume the PG position


That leaves the last three guys and they need to be used sparingly less than 5 minutes each of that much.

Ellingson
Jones
Moise

 

[Peckerboy]

Three games into the season. Coming off their first strong opponent. And you have seen too much? Already deciding what the rotation and number of minutes for everyone for the rest of the year should be. Especially for such a young and still very green group.

I get it's a message board and discussion if good, but seriously. Acknowledge the reality of the situation and back up a little. The truth is, no one (not even the coaches) at this point knows how fast the Freshmen and several of the role players now expected to pick up the slack are going to develop. With the exception of about 2, maybe 3 players, it's way too early to know what you are going to get this year.

They have had all summer and fall to figure this out and now it's time to make a decision..,

 

[non-poster]

One of two things is happening here:

1) You're trolling

2) You really believe what you're saying

If 1, nothing I say is going to make any difference in your response.

If 2, I seriously hope you never coach at any level

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Disagree with OP. Fran needs to find some players, other than Baer, who want to play some defense. Pete, Cook and Baer need to play the most, but no one should average more than about 30 min.

 

[Peckerboy]

One of two things is happening here:

1) You're trolling

2) You really believe what you're saying

If 1, nothing I say is going to make any difference in your response.

If 2, I seriously hope you never coach at any level

SORRY TO HEAR YOU THINK THAT BECAUSE I HAVE ALREADY COACHED VERY SUCCESSFULLY AT THIS LEVEL...

 

[championhawk]

Actually, I want to see what else weve got.

Especially Moss.

Moss just has the it factor that I think will explode once the light goes off. Fran has to keep getting him minutes.

 

[DanL53]

SORRY TO HEAR YOU THINK THAT BECAUSE I HAVE ALREADY COACHED VERY SUCCESSFULLY AT THIS LEVEL...

What? Speak up!

 

[nu2u]

SORRY TO HEAR YOU THINK THAT BECAUSE I HAVE ALREADY COACHED VERY SUCCESSFULLY AT THIS LEVEL...

Spill the beans. Head coach? Record?

Did your players know that you go by the alias "Peckerboy"??

 

[nu2u]

but obviously you would like to see Moss or Dailey step up and contribute at the PG position

No. Sorry, no.

 

[Curt Furence]

Spill the beans. Head coach? Record?

Did your players know that you go by the alias "Peckerboy"??

How is Jerry Sandusky on HR from Prison?

 

[hawk-i bob]

How is Jerry Sandusky on HR from Prison?

holly ...moleeeee...that is funny

 

[BondHawk]

Moss just has the it factor that I think will explode once the light goes off. Fran has to keep getting him minutes.

Actually I think what we want is for the light to go on, but otherwise I agree. He hasn't played enough yet for anyone to be able to grade his defense, but if he could contribute there he should get some minutes. Definitely not afraid to shoot.

 

[SotaHawk87]

This is not the time to trim it down! I'm looking at this as a 3-4 year path to stability for this program! I'm only banking on 17-18 wins this year anyway let's let everyone play out to hit he ground running next year with (still) a very young team that will be able to win a bunch of games!

 

[ParkerHawk]

Only 7 players got more than 6 minutes.... and you forgot Uhl.

... and pretty sure only 7 played in the 2nd half

 

[Titanhawk2]

AMENDED POST FROM ORIGINAL



I have seen enough... In fact to much.. If Iowa is going to make an impact Fran has to go with the best he has... Way to much substitution and looking for the right combination... it's become pretty apparent who is going to step up and be impact players here is my group.Just for fun let's make it an even 200 minutes to divide up.

These two guys have to be in the game big time I am talking 35 minutes plus..

Peter Jok (35)
Tyler Cook (35)


Baer (25)
Pemsl (25)
Wagner (20)
Uhl (20)

These guys can be rotated I would hope two of these guys will separate themselves from the pack and be able to go 30 minutes a game.

Williams (20)
Bohannan (20)

This is the big problem area for Iowa. When you do not have a leader at the point you are not going to win at the highest level and neither of these two are close to being that person. Eventually someone has to step up . I would like to see one of these two step up and assume the PG position


Really do not see any of the below playing substantial minutes but obviously you would like to see Moss or Dailey step up and contribute at the PG position .

Dailey
Moss
Kreiner
Jones

*

Too early to make this statement and doesn't seem to reflect last night.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

Ellingson?

 

[Cydkar]

This is not the time to trim it down! I'm looking at this as a 3-4 year path to stability for this program! I'm only banking on 17-18 wins this year anyway let's let everyone play out to hit he ground running next year with (still) a very young team that will be able to win a bunch of games!

Staff and players aren't taking this as a 17-18 win season. Playing for next year is next level stupid. There may be a time during this season where that becomes the reality, but not now.

 

[JBJRFL]

Spill the beans. Head coach? Record?

Did your players know that you go by the alias "Peckerboy"??

I think you can follow him at #PECKERHEAD

 

[yiana]

Lol it's the 3rd game of the year. I'd rather not burn out Peter with 35 min a game in freaking November.

 

[Suterman]

You forgot Brady Ellingson.

 

[Peckerboy]

Ellingson?

No never should be playing at sll

 

[unoHawkeye]

I'd like to see Ellingson be more aggressive. If he's going to be receiving significant minutes, then he needs to be taking a significant amount of shots. I realize he was only in for five minutes against Seton Hall, but he only took one shot, which he made in transition. Brady isn't playing because he's going to make a ton of athletic offensive plays or be a stopper on defense. He's playing because he's a shooter, which we desperately need. He doesn't contribute the defensive/passing value that we got out of our previous "shooter" in Josh Oglesby. Therefore, if Brady isn't shooting, then he's a liability on the floor, and I'd rather see Moss, who appears to have a much higher playmaking ability.

Don't get me wrong, I like Ellingson and think it's imperative that basketball teams have a player like him who is a constant threat to knock down a three. They space the floor and keep opposing defenses honest. This is especially necessary for Iowa, who needs to have more three point threats arise if we want to be a good team. My point is that when BE's in and he's simply working as a facilitator, he doesn't really bring a lot to the table.

 

[RocknRollface]

Moss just has the it factor that I think will explode once the light goes off. Fran has to keep getting him minutes.

Yeah, I think he'll overtake BE shortly. No reason to hold him back IMO. He plays bad D right now but so does everyone else and hes much quicker latteraly than others so potential is there for drastic improvement.

That dunk attempt in the second game was the most explosive move ive seen from an Iowa gaurd since Ricky Davis.

 

[RocknRollface]

This is not the time to trim it down! I'm looking at this as a 3-4 year path to stability for this program! I'm only banking on 17-18 wins this year anyway let's let everyone play out to hit he ground running next year with (still) a very young team that will be able to win a bunch of games!

Exactly, this year is more important for learning than anything else.

I would prefer to speed up the learning curve by playing some of the guys who have a higher ceiling this year because theres too much inexperience to go very far anyway.

 

[RocknRollface]

Staff and players aren't taking this as a 17-18 win season. Playing for next year is next level stupid. There may be a time during this season where that becomes the reality, but not now.

Whats stupid is not having the foersight to recognize an obvious rebuilding situation.

 

[nu2u]

Whats stupid is not having the foersight to recognize an obvious rebuilding situation.

Everyone acknowledges that this is a rebuilding year for Iowa. At the same time, it is ridiculously early - a mere three games into a thirty game schedule - to come to a conclusion that Iowa will not be able to compete for an NCAA invitation. A young Iowa squad is now 2-1 with a loss to a veteran top Big East team. Take it as a learning opportunity and chance to grow. You don't abandon your season goals 1/10 of the way through.

There may come a point in time very late in the season when a coach could reasonable determine that post-season play is unlikely. At that point, I tend to agree that it would be appropriate to adopt a future outlook and play some of the younger or less experienced guys on the roster - the so-called "higher ceiling" players you mentioned - in certain situations.

That point has not arrived. In fact, it has barely left the station. Still, if ever does arrive, as a coach you always put the best players on the floor which you believe will make it possible to win that game. You always play to win every game. I would be first in line to call for McCaffery's head if he did not play a game to win. If that game is out of reach for a win, by all means use that as an opportunity to further evaluate other players.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

People you do realize when SH was taking their drives down the lane our guards were trying to steer their opponents into a place where their was supposed to be a help defense. They just weren't very good at it. The guards needed to be the aggressor , slow them up and make them go a bit wider than they did and the help from our young bugs was way too late and picking them up too close to the hoop and not with the guards walking them off. Give this team some time. Yes at the end of the game our most senior players were on the court and that is what was disappointing. Expect Sunday those players get after it in a big way or expect in a big way to see different lineups particularly if our opponents get into the lane and get layups tomorrow. It's a work in progress and expect losses in tight games until this team learns to get stops late in games. It's also way too early to set an 8 or 9 man rotation with all the available talent. Yes we may lose some games but we need to find out who wants to put in the effort to do what it takes to win at this level. Nick Baer will be in there, who else, likely Jok but his defense isn't why he will be. After that wait and see

 

[RocknRollface]

Everyone acknowledges that this is a rebuilding year for Iowa. At the same time, it is ridiculously early - a mere three games into a thirty game schedule - to come to a conclusion that Iowa will not be able to compete for an NCAA invitation. A young Iowa squad is now 2-1 with a loss to a veteran top Big East team. Take it as a learning opportunity and chance to grow. You don't abandon your season goals 1/10 of the way through.

There may come a point in time very late in the season when a coach could reasonable determine that post-season play is unlikely. At that point, I tend to agree that it would be appropriate to adopt a future outlook and play some of the younger or less experienced guys on the roster - the so-called "higher ceiling" players you mentioned - in certain situations.

That point has not arrived. In fact, it has barely left the station. Still, if ever does arrive, as a coach you always put the best players on the floor which you believe will make it possible to win that game. You always play to win every game. I would be first in line to call for McCaffery's head if he did not play a game to win. If that game is out of reach for a win, by all means use that as an opportunity to further evaluate other players.

Did I Iowa wouldn't be able to compete for an Ncaa invite? No.

Its an outside shot at best though.

Playing less experienced higher ceiling guys isnt giving up, its actually speeding up the process of winning long term.

 

[SotaHawk87]

Whats stupid is not having the foersight to recognize an obvious rebuilding situation.

Fran isn't going to make the same mistake Dick Pitino did.. he has transfers all over the country filling it up for other teams because he didn't give legitimate chances early..

 

[nu2u]

Did I Iowa wouldn't be able to compete for an Ncaa invite? No.

Its an outside shot at best though.

Playing less experienced higher ceiling guys isnt giving up, its actually speeding up the process of winning long term.

I guess I will reiterate what I stated: its way too early to tell if Iowa is a longshot for an NCAA invite.

Just my opinion but if at this point in the season you are playing inexperienced "high ceiling" guys for the sole purpose of increasing the odds of winning at some future date a year or two from today, you probably shouldn't be coaching.

Also, IMO the "high ceiling" guys will reveal themselves in practice and earn playing time as the season progresses. At this time last year no one here considered Nicholas Baer to be a high ceiling type player. My educated guess is that Baer busted his ass in practice and proved that he could produce and help the team win now. The coaches noticed and put him on the court. He earned his playing time.