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Does the fact that it's Tom instead of Terry, even though Terry has been the HWC guy, make anyone else wonder that he still feels some loyalty to Ramos? Has Terry every directly responded to any of that?

I am, truly not trying to drum up any negativity. I simply am surprised that it would be Tom instead of Terry. I am a big Dennis fan and want to see him medal as much as anyone. Please keep this civil. I just wondered if anyone had concrete info on why it would be Tom instead of Terry and if it had nothing to do with the Ramos/Dennis situation, even better.
 
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MSU158 said:
Does the fact that it's Tom instead of Terry, even though Terry has been the HWC guy, make anyone else wonder that he still feels some loyalty to Ramos? Has Terry every directly responded to any of that?

I am, truly not trying to drum up any negativity. I simply am surprised that it would be Tom instead of Terry. I am a big Dennis fan and want to see him medal as much as anyone. Please keep this civil. I just wondered if anyone had concrete info on why it would be Tom instead of Terry and if it had nothing to do with the Ramos/Dennis situation, even better.
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Overthinking is a real word and a problem for some. I'd look it up were I you.
 
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As I said when I started, I wasn't looking for negativity. I am happy you found a way to be immediately condescending.

Also, overthinking implies I believed what I asked to be the case. I hinted that I have no idea if it is or isn't and that is why I asked this board to answer. It could be as simply as Tom really wanting to do it, Terry having a doctor's appointment that week, etc. I just thought of it as a possibility, and since this is the #1 Hawkeye message board, it could drum up some solid conversation.
 
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As brothers who have worked hand in hand for years, I doubt there is ANY daylight between them regarding the Ramos situation. Zero. Zip. Zilch.

As for the Olympics, Tom is the head coach of a high profile program and an accomplished Olympian himself. I didn't bat an eyelash over his selection. Either brother could have been selected imo.
 
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Sorry for being stupid but who are the actual olympic coaches?
 
I doubt Terry is going to miss the Olympics for a Dr's appointment. I'm sure Terry will be in attendance in Rio.
 
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I doubt Terry is going to miss the Olympics for a Dr's appointment. I'm sure Terry will be in attendance in Rio.
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Obviously, that was said tongue-in-cheek. I was simply saying it could have been as simple as some sort of scheduling conflict.
 
"Does the fact that it's Tom instead of Terry, even though Terry has been the HWC guy, make anyone else wonder that he still feels some loyalty to Ramos? Has Terry every directly responded to any of that?"


Tom and Terry will both be in Rio- not sure what "Terry has been the HWC guy " means-- they both advise,coach and are integral in the HWC.
 
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Novakht said:
"Does the fact that it's Tom instead of Terry, even though Terry has been the HWC guy, make anyone else wonder that he still feels some loyalty to Ramos? Has Terry every directly responded to any of that?"


Tom and Terry will both be in Rio- not sure what "Terry has been the HWC guy " means-- they both advise,coach and are integral in the HWC.
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Obviously they are both integral parts, but Terry has been the corner guy at countless events. Every thing I have read or documentary I have seen has Terry in the forefront of the HWC. Tom has atleast been portrayed more as the CEO type behind the scenes. I simply assumed since Manning and Roselli are nearly always the corner guys for their programs that it was a bit odd that it was Tom instead of Terry. Not knowing why, I asked you guys because so many on here are knowledgeable enough to answer that question.
 
MSU158,

Novak would be the guy that knows the most around the situation. I wouldn't think too much into this. Both coaches will be there, one in the corner and one hanging over the ropes 3 feet behind him.
 
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MSU158,

Novak would be the guy that knows the most around the situation. I wouldn't think too much into this. Both coaches will be there, one in the corner and one hanging over the ropes 3 feet behind him.
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Sounds good to me. That is why I asked. Thanks for the responses!
 
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I would guess it was Tom because that is who they selected.

Do you think Terry was offered and declined to back one of his guys, a rep for his school, in the Olympics, due to loyalty to Tony Ramos?
 
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I would guess it was Tom because that is who they selected.

Do you think Terry was offered and declined to back one of his guys, a rep for his school, in the Olympics, due to loyalty to Tony Ramos?
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I doubt Ramos has anything to do with it. That's not how terry operates. The OP was right to ask a question he did not know the answer to. It was a good question with zero intent on creating drama. Given Terry's rep as a top freestyle guy, I was a little surprised as well but tom is a great choice as well. Could not make a bad call there.
 
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"Do you think Terry was offered and declined to back one of his guys, a rep for his school, in the Olympics, due to loyalty to Tony Ramos?"

I really dont believe so at all.. Matter of fact no way. Tony's deal is unfortunate on many levels, but he has moved on and is now a coach at NC.

Tom/Terry focus is on Dan Dennis, other HWC members the team and recruiting.. I saw Ramos watching Nelson at Fargo- he has a connection and to a certain extent an attachment --he has know Nelson since he was little.

What is done,is done-- and TnT will pour their hear and soul into helping DD get better and be prepared without regard to an other unfortunate situation.

As I said, they are both planning on being in Rio-- and I am pretty certain they will be there- responsibilities get divided up for MANY reasons, but none due to past loyalty to a guy or guys that are coaching elsewhere.
 
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I doubt Ramos has anything to do with it. That's not how terry operates. The OP was right to ask a question he did not know the answer to. It was a good question with zero intent on creating drama. Given Terry's rep as a top freestyle guy, I was a little surprised as well but tom is a great choice as well. Could not make a bad call there.
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I like MSU but but I found his question absurd. Sorry. Just how I feel. No big deal.
 
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You have a lightweight coach, Mid, and a heavy coach. All three have done great things in those areas. Guessing Terry is getting paid to go by HWC and USA wrestling will pay for Tom to go and maybe DD maybe prefers Tom in his corner.

Could see Bill and Tom in Daniel's corner with Terry on the periphery threatening foreigners to fight...he'll be so amped up.
 
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MSU158 said:
As I said when I started, I wasn't looking for negativity. I am happy you found a way to be immediately condescending.

Also, overthinking implies I believed what I asked to be the case. I hinted that I have no idea if it is or isn't and that is why I asked this board to answer. It could be as simply as Tom really wanting to do it, Terry having a doctor's appointment that week, etc. I just thought of it as a possibility, and since this is the #1 Hawkeye message board, it could drum up some solid conversation.
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There was no negative intent whatsoever. Sound advice from my viewpoint, but think what you want to and I'll do the same.

Call Bill Zadick if you're really that curious, he should have some insight I would presume (he'll probably start with friend, Iowa Head Coach, Olympic Champion, etc.).

Did anyone tell you something you didn't already know? Of course not.
 
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MSU started the Teasdale thread about how he had a close one with a top ten kid. Then this one. Both implied some sort of problem.
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I'm not looking to start anything here, but MSU has been passive aggressively starting up threads and making comments implying problems in the Iowa program from the day he arrived. He has become good at FOBing it all off, imo.
 
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Wow. Totally inaccurate. I wasn't implying anything with Teasdale or this. Especially not with Teasdale. I was actually thoroughly impressed with how tough Pennsylvania wrestling has to be that the runner up at 113 was able to give Teasdale that close of a match and I even said I started the topic as much to credit Parker as anything else. I think Teasdale is a legit stud and am 100% behind him.

As far as this topic goes I honestly was surprised by Tom being the choice over Terry and wondered why. And yes It popped into my head that there may be something still lingering but it wasn't out of any negative push whatsoever. I opened the question and showed total respect to those that answered.

If you want to see me as a troll because I asked questions and give my genuine opinions on things go for it. But there is no negative intent on my part and those of you that think so are as wrong as you can be.
 
Because I am originally from MSU any criticism I give or questions I ask are considered trolling while nearly every Iowa fan on here critiques something or someone in the program from time to time.

I am a fan of Iowa and have detailed why and how I became one. I am admittedly not as diehard as many on here for obvious reasons but Iowa is the #1 DI program I cheer for. MSU still has my heart and donations again but Roger and Chris have a ways to go before they are a factor(hopefully) again.
 
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Wow. Totally inaccurate. I wasn't implying anything with Teasdale or this. Especially not with Teasdale. I was actually thoroughly impressed with how tough Pennsylvania wrestling has to be that the runner up at 113 was able to give Teasdale that close of a match and I even said I started the topic as much to credit Parker as anything else. I think Teasdale is a legit stud and am 100% behind him.

As far as this topic goes I honestly was surprised by Tom being the choice over Terry and wondered why. And yes It popped into my head that there may be something still lingering but it wasn't out of any negative push whatsoever. I opened the question and showed total respect to those that answered.

If you want to see me as a troll because I asked questions and give my genuine opinions on things go for it. But there is no negative intent on my part and those of you that think so are as wrong as you can be.
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If that was a sincere question than you are so out of touch with Iowa wrestling that it is almost beyond comprehension. To think that the deal with Ramos had anything to do with the coaching decision is laughable. That is as nice as I can say it. There isn't a second that goes by that Tom and Terry aren't thinking about helping Dan bring home gold.
 
I live in Michigan, how in touch with Iowa wrestling do you expect me to be? I wasn't implying that Terry isn't 100% behind Dennis winning it all. I only asked if he did it as some sort of show that he still had some loyalty to Ramos. I asked on here BECAUSE I expected those here to know. It's not like I wanted or was hoping for some sort of dissension. Terry spent a ton of time with Ramos and I thought that could have had some part in why it was Tom instead of Terry. It was an innocent question. If you guys took it as some sort of negative it sure isn't the first time that social media comments are taken out of context.

The next event I attend that has Iowa at it I promise to buy a beer for any and all on here and sit down and prove that I am genuine and my intentions towards your program are always good.
 
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My take on the question is why mention Ramos at all? When you put that name out there it looks like speculation on your part and you lost the question. You had a valid question that you lost with your delivery. Just my 2 cents.
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I understand what you are saying, but I said it because I believed it was a possibility(albeit very slight) and provided the opportunity to slam the door shut on it. I am very direct. I made sure to say I didn't necessarily believe it, but that is one of the things that popped into my head when Tom was announced instead of Terry. It is my experience that general questions get even more general answers, so I was very specific. The question wasn't meant as a negative in any way. Hell, I made sure to try to stress that when I started it.

It's sort of the leave no stone unturned philosophy. I wanted the answer that was given and am happy that it was provided. I respect the hell out of Tom and Terry Brands. Everything I have read and seen shows them as men with integrity and as a result I could see Terry doing something to let Ramos know he still cares(I am positive he does regardless of his leaving) while still being 100% behind his program.

Social media doesn't always give you the best avenue to prove your intent, but I again state with absolute certainty that my intent was in no way negative towards Brands or Iowa.
 
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Perhaps asking 'Does anyone know why Tom was chosen and not Terry?' A little more simple.
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I get it. Many didn't like the question, period. I asked it direct so that it would be answered direct. As I said above, a general question often gets an even more general answer, if one at all. In fact, no one really answered exactly why it wasn't Terry, they just answered that it had nothing to do with Ramos, which was the whole intent of the question in the first place.

Novakh answered it in a way that removed any doubt in my mind and I am appreciative of that.
 
MSU158 said:
Wow. Totally inaccurate. I wasn't implying anything with Teasdale or this. Especially not with Teasdale. I was actually thoroughly impressed with how tough Pennsylvania wrestling has to be that the runner up at 113 was able to give Teasdale that close of a match and I even said I started the topic as much to credit Parker as anything else. I think Teasdale is a legit stud and am 100% behind him.

As far as this topic goes I honestly was surprised by Tom being the choice over Terry and wondered why. And yes It popped into my head that there may be something still lingering but it wasn't out of any negative push whatsoever. I opened the question and showed total respect to those that answered.

If you want to see me as a troll because I asked questions and give my genuine opinions on things go for it. But there is no negative intent on my part and those of you that think so are as wrong as you can be.
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MSU: Something appears to be missing from your understanding of the issue at hand. That something would be the extent to which T&T understand and embrace the competitive spirit of their athletes, imo.

Maybe I take this for granted, having grown up in the same town with mutual friends willing to share some of their antics. I've also heard that they had to stop rolling with each other early on in IC in practice due to the fights that ensued. Anyway, the bottom line is that T&T pretty much hated each other on the mat and they pushed each other that way in everything they did.

I'm pretty sure that T&T understand the situation between Ramos and DD better than most. I also believe they are handling things well. Heck, their first known argument started the day they were born. Did Tommy beat Terry out of the womb or did Terry kick him out?

These guys understand THAT aspect of their athletes as ell as anyone out there, imo.
 
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