Why would it be stupid to not RS Angelo? What if he is the best 184lber this year and wants to go? I agree that next year he has an easier path and could be even better, but maybe he feels he can win it all this year too. Maybe he gets banged up in the next 4 years and can't wrestle. The days of auto redshirting guys are over. I actually wish Gabe would have went at 184 last year for my own selfish reasons, but he and the coaches didn't feel that was right for him. I think a lot more thought and discussion with the coaches and families goes into this than people realize.
Oregon St Predictions/Thoughts
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I agree, they should have gone with Arnold at 84 last year but that’s because we had Riggins there and I loved his effort but he was simply too small to be competitive. Also 84 wasn’t super deep last year. But this is a different situation, even if Angelo is better than Arnold or brands it’s not going to be by much more likely than not this year. Unless he’s blowing them out in the room and there’s gonna be a big point differential from them at nationals it would be dumb to do. Ferrari isn’t even a good sized 84 yet, give him a year to grow into the weight.
For sure this is different than last year at 184. I think Gabe probably AAs last year, but was not going to be a champ at 184. 174/184 both have two absolute hammers this year. Angelo can absolutely be a champ next year, but the question is can he hang with CStar and Keck this year? If so and he wants to go, I don't know how you RS him. The fact of the matter is these are the discussions/arguments we have all wanted to be having for a few years now. Stockpile talent and let the wrestlers decide who goes where on the mat.
If he can hang with keck and starocci then yeah for sure let him go but I find that very unlikely that he can at this point. He’s gonna be a stud just needs to grow into the weight I think
Don't be shocked if Angelo can hang with Starocci and Keck. Gabe and Rocco Welsh are about as even as it gets and Rocco could hang with Starocci as a True Fresh. If Angelo wins the 184 pound spot I would expect him to be right there with the big dawgs. Hell, I think Gabe can bang with the top guys.
I agree on thinking Gabe should have went last year. That would have been the difference between 2nd and 5th, Gabe would have got great experience, and it would have created a bit more flexibility for our log jam. Iowa State would not have finished ahead of us. I will admit I was wrong in thinking we should have wrestled Kueter. We had Hill and Kueter was not ready yet. As far as RS Angelo, there is so much that goes into that. I'm all about may the best man win but in this case if the difference is a couple points at the NCAA tournament I'm not so sure its worth burning a year of one of our point scorers. Last year we had no point scorer at 184. If Assad was there and Gabe was beating him by 1-3 points, I would have said wrestle Assad and rs Gabe but we didn't have that. All I know is this is a great problem to have. I'm excited for this season!
The wrestlers and the coaches will figure this out. Iowa will have a very good wrestler at either weight. Perfect world everyone gets 4 cracks at winning a title at their optimum weight. Unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world and that doesn’t happen. I think the coaches/wrestlers/parents understand that. It’s just us idiots trying to relive the past that don’t.
I thought the exact same things as you last year with the redshirts and Iowa getting 2nd if either guy goes. Then I reminded myself that while 2nd place is nothing to be ashamed of, the fact of the matter is 2nd place is still just the first loser!
What’s getting lost in all of this is Gabe and his family wanted to RS last year. What anybody else on here thinks is irrelevant.
This. We redshirt elite talent, they spend the year getting brutalized in the room, and then by the time they're RS sophs and juniors they look like a walking MASH unit. This is exactly what our team has looked like in March the past several years. If they're ready to go and the best we've got, let them loose.
So is anyone going to make the trip to Corvallis? I just relocated to NorCal and I'm thinking about driving up tomorrow. Looks like it is all general admission and tickets are available.
Was hoping to find some other Hawk fans to catch some of the football game with before making my way over to watch some wrestling.
Was hoping to find some other Hawk fans to catch some of the football game with before making my way over to watch some wrestling.
Im updating my picks with Cruz likely getting the start and mistaking talent of Attao
26 Cruz 0-4
33 Ayala 4-4
41 Block 7-4
49 Parco 11-4
57 Teemer 16-4
65 Cali 19-4
74 Brands 22-4
84 Arnold 25-4
97 Buchanon 28-4
Hvy Keuter 31-4
I have a feeling Oregon St will be bringing it and likely pick up another upset somewhere but Im just not seeing where so cant pick it. Hope Cruz has put in enough work to compete and keep Maximo from TF or fall. Parco is going to be fun to watch like Cali. I think (only my opinion) that we lose a bonus point or two each meet with Brands-Arnold vs Arnold-Brands. Buchanon getting a big test to start the season.
26 Cruz 0-4
33 Ayala 4-4
41 Block 7-4
49 Parco 11-4
57 Teemer 16-4
65 Cali 19-4
74 Brands 22-4
84 Arnold 25-4
97 Buchanon 28-4
Hvy Keuter 31-4
I have a feeling Oregon St will be bringing it and likely pick up another upset somewhere but Im just not seeing where so cant pick it. Hope Cruz has put in enough work to compete and keep Maximo from TF or fall. Parco is going to be fun to watch like Cali. I think (only my opinion) that we lose a bonus point or two each meet with Brands-Arnold vs Arnold-Brands. Buchanon getting a big test to start the season.
His dad just posted he selfishly wishes Gabe wrestled last year. I get it though. The wrestler should have a lot of the decision going into red shirting or not.
I wished he wrestled last season as well. And I was vocal about that fact.
Well, I'm an asshole. Apologies. I really screwed that up.
yes.....yes you are. But apologies accepted. I figured by now you people, and yes I mean "YOU" people would have figured out my family and I by now, but alas..... you have not. So, let me give you guys the inside scoop:
- My kid is wrestling the weight I think he should be wrestling this weekend. I don't question it, and I never will. It's not my place to. I trust Tom with everything, otherwise my family and I would not even be here.
- I think it's where he belongs because none of you can really appreciate how much this kid has been beefing up. Can he get back to 174? Of course, and if that is where he is called to go, he will answer the call, and there will not be a complaint from him or me.
- I've raised my son to always trust the process. I cannot tell you how many fools have reached out to ask if Gabe would ever transfer. After a few chose words, and also using sign language they got the picture.
- I had a call from a dear friend yesterday calling me to tell me to keep my head up. I said, "why"? Well because Gabe lost his wrestle-off. I literally busted out laughing. Not because there never was one, but because he thought I needed encouragement. This is wrestling and if and when there is a wrestle-off, someone will lose. But my feelings, nor my kid's will be hurt. #itsjustwrestling.
I'll probably vanish again after this post. Mostly because my wife is usually behind my shoulder reading and well....... she's a bit of a mama bear and will come at most with claws and fangs bearing. I, on the other hand enjoy watching the banter. It honestly is fun reading other's opinions and couch coaching perspectives.
So Let's Go Hawks. Kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out!
I'll catch you in the funny pages!
God, I love this guy and his family. No wonder Gabe is such a leader.
Thanks for the reply, you and your family are class act people. I wish you would post more. Good luck this year, go Hawks!
I was selfishly hoping! After he took out an AA I wanted to see what he could do.
No pressure Gabe!
I've learned to not set myself up like that. Took me awhile
It's a fair take from you, though. I hope is a high AA aswell.
I think Iowa goes 10-0. This team is going to be really good. Can't wait for them to show it.
Sounds like a no based on brands interview. He’s only been p months post surgery he said.
Agree, I think Kale could beat Maximo but not so sure on Cruz. Did Cruz and Maximo wrestle before or in HS?
This is the cesspool.
We've earned your scorn!
You think it's easy second guessing everything?
Interesting, I'm able to put general admission tickets into my cart for $18 plus mobile delivery fees $22 for the event. Still considering it at this late juncture. We'll see how I fee tomorrow.
Yes, radio and Flo per the posted schedule.
Its Finally here! There’s a ton of new faces for the hawks. On paper this looks like as good of a team the Hawks have had in recent memory. This should be a dam good, fun year to watch.
