- Retheford, PSU - 28.0
- Nickal, PSU - 27.5
- Nolf, PSU - 27.0
- Cox, MO - 24.0
- Snyder, tOSU - 24.0
- Joseph, PSU - 23.0
- Hall, PSU - 22.5
- Cruz, Leh - 22.0
- Clark, IA - 20.0
- Heil, OSU - 20.0
- Lavallee, MO - 20.0
Top 10 scorers at NCAAs
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By my count, that's 128 pts from just 5 PSU wrestlers.
If each PSU champ got 20 like Clark, they would've had 100. So they exceeded that by 28 pts, the equivalent of another champ and then some.
Since PSU's 5 champs are returning, and they'll have Suriano back.... well, not hard to figure out who's the heavy favorite next year.
If each PSU champ got 20 like Clark, they would've had 100. So they exceeded that by 28 pts, the equivalent of another champ and then some.
Since PSU's 5 champs are returning, and they'll have Suriano back.... well, not hard to figure out who's the heavy favorite next year.
I have convinced myself to just enjoy college wrestling and be excited for Top 5 finishes with hopefully a couple of guys going for 1st place...otherwise we all will just be disappointed for years to come... 
If the Hawks wrestle really well next year in Cleveland, I think we can keep PSU under 200
Come on, man! Chin up!I have convinced myself to just enjoy college wrestling and be excited for Top 5 finishes with hopefully a couple of guys going for 1st place...otherwise we all will just be disappointed for years to come...
Next year is PSU's, but after that, we'll give them all they can handle and hopefully more. I respect the heck out of those kids scoring a ton of bonus points for PSU, but we've got some hungry young Hawkeyes coming up through the ranks who have the talent to win it all. Plus, in case you haven't noticed, there's a movement afoot whereby the greatest fan base in the history of the sport is mobilizing to push the Hawks back up to the top of the mountain. Lots of reasons for optimism for Iowa wrestling!
EDIT: My sarcasm meter detected a bit of activity there. If I totally misread your post, then 1) you got me there, and 2) LET'S DO THIS!!!
As a neutral fan, next year probably won't be all that exciting, but the year after when the Hawks have their young guns (literally and figuratively) in the line up, it will be quite an exciting year.
tOSU has some horses next year, and if one of PSU's studs goes down to injury, it'll be a closer race. Still think PSU has a margin for error even if an injury hits, but tOSU is poised if anything serious goes wrong. The following year, tOSU and OSU crash while Iowa will be rising. Not sure Iowa can hang with PSU in 2018-19 (they only lose Zain next year), but certainly the following year will be a bloodbath.
In 2 years, (2019) PSU will still have at least 4 previous champions (Nolf, Cenzo, Hall, Nickal). Plus Suriano and Nevills who are proven performers. Iowa will not likely have anyone coming into the 2019 season that has won a national title. Iowa will have freshman Warner and Lee, Sophmores Marinelli and Young, and Junior Kemmerer, and maybe a senior Stoll if he ever gets healthy.Come on, man! Chin up!
It will probably be the 2020 season before Iowa is actually threatening to PSU.
The disproportionate value of super studs is logarithmic. Hall scored 22.5, Meyer score 2.0.
PSU's top 2 guys alone would've finished among the top 10 teams, ahead of Michigan.
PSU's top 4 guys would've finished 3rd, ahead of Iowa, and with enough points to win it in some years.
PSU's top 2 guys alone would've finished among the top 10 teams, ahead of Michigan.
PSU's top 4 guys would've finished 3rd, ahead of Iowa, and with enough points to win it in some years.
Yes, further supporting the renowned Tarp Theory. It's the mega-studs, stupid!
While this may be true, Meyer 1 Hall 0
That makes Meyer all the more a head scratcher. He was better than 2 points at nationals, but couldn't get over the hump against Crutchmer or Jordan. He lost twice to Amine, twice to Brunson, twice to Crutchmer, twice to Jordan, and once to Weatherspoon last year. Both Jordan losses were by a point each. He has it in him to compete against the very top guys. Unsure how he gets over that hump as 174 doesn't get easier next year.While this may be true, Meyer 1 Hall 0
Owings 1 Gable 0While this may be true, Meyer 1 Hall 0
Frustrating that he was 30 seconds away from winning against Bo in the NCAA quarters . . . But Meyer will graduate this year, so it's next man in -- presumably Young or Gunther at a higher weight.
Meyer's next "hump" to get over will be reportedly be Med School
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Previously at the 1968 Olympic trials, and subsequently at the 1972 Olympic trials.
Need to go back to Troll School
This!
It shows the flaw in so many ranking systems, which overvalue getting 5 or 6 top 100 guys, while undervaluing getting 2 or 3 top 10 guys.
That's what allowed FLO to rank PSU's 2016 class (Hall, Suriano, Manville) as inferior to NCSt's (Reenan, Hidlay, D Bullard, T Bullard, Wilson). Absurd!
Here's the p4p ranking for PSU and Iowa's top scorers:
PSU's champs were all top 10 coming out of HS:
Retherford #3
Nickal #7
Nolf #4
Joseph #5
Hall #1
Iowa's lone ncaa top 10 scorer, by contrast:
Clark #23
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but never in ncaa's but the one time... ok, thanks. so I wasn't wrong.
Meyer and Hall didn't wrestle at NCAA's either so what are you getting at??.....how many user names do you have? Get out of here loser!
But they did wrestle during the NCAA season, just like Owings and Danny. Basically both fluke losses. Follow? I cant type any slower.
Mark Hall had another loss in the season in an open plus a loss to Bo Jordan who Alex also wrestled pretty well. Mark's a freshman and wrestled several close matches...losing to a cagey senior isn't a fluke.
Meanwhile, Gable dominated his competition until Owings...a fluke. You never qualified folkstyle/freestyle. Just said Gable was 0-1.
just guessing by attitude, and infatuation with his own opinion, then looking at the date, is it possible Beastmode is 21blanks reincarnated?
Nah...21 knows more about wrestling than this guy.
maybe you should type slower yet so you can remember what you typed then....idiot
21 Guns would know this information.
Thanks for the news flash...
I don't even know this information. He and little Marsden look pretty even to me.
PSU is loaded for a run, but everyone seems to think the five returning champs will repeat. Retherford and Nolf seem almost invincible and are obviously dominant wrestlers. Hall, Vincenzo and Nickal are very good but not invincible and while they will be favorites next year, all three can be beaten, and all three have guys at their weights they have lost to. Plus, PSU has generally avoided significant injury issues (OK so they lost Suriano to injury this past year and Nevills the year before). One or two of PSUs Big five get significant injuries, the door opens.
One can envision scenarios that cause PSU to not repeat, but given the gap between them and everyone else, they can withstand a couple of upsets or injuries. Had Suriano not fft'd out, he may well have been champ, given that Gilman got upset in semi's. Without Suriano, they still won comfortably.
I'd say, barring injuries, Nolf and Retherford will repeat, each with megabonus pts.
Without Dean, I see Nickal being a strong favorite, again with megabonus pts.
Hall just won as a true fr. He'll be the favorite. He'll get decent bonus pts.
Suriano will probably be a finalist, decent shot at champion.
I see Joseph as the most vulnerable and he may not repeat, but he'll still produce, and likely high AA finish.
Now add high AA for Nevills, and you've got quite a margin for error, injury, and upset. And this assumes no help from 133, 141, and 197.
I move that much like f** is a required word that Mark Hall true fr. should actually be Mark Hall true fr* as I believe he may have gotten his AARP mailer already.
While I agree with most of your post, the door is slammed shut next year. Even losing Suriano, I believed they would win it and that it would have taken a Herculian effort by another team to pull it off. That they did what they did in the finals was pretty amazing. I thought Zain and Nolf were shoo-ins, and that Hall could definitely beat Jordan but that the other two would lose. Still, 3/5 would be a nice cap to a strong tourney. I do think Cenzo and Hall are vulnerable next year but then you have a presumably healthy Suriano (Top 4) and and returning 5th placer in Nevills so it looks like this:
125 Suriano-Top 4 (I wouldn't have a hard time picking him for the finals)
133 Cortez-6-DNP (Here is the wildcard...Cortez hasn't impressed and is a low scorer. Still, he is solid)
141-Lee (?)-If he puts on weight over the summer, he could be dangerous
149-Retherford-Champ
157-Nolf-Champ
165-Cenzo- Top 4
174-Hall-Top 4
184-Bo-Champ
197-Cutch? 5-DNP
HWY-Nevills Top 4
This is PSU for the next two seasons. Going to be impossible to beat next year and very tough to beat in 2019. Good chance they will have four three time champs (Ruth, Retherford, Nolf, Nickal) by COB March 2020. Thanks God for the fundraising thread...I might need a drink after typing all this out. However, our 2021 lineup will be stout and I expect us to finish second in 2019.
