Transition Integrity Project

[seminole97]

Before the last election Democrats war gamed a plan to have the western states of California, Oregon and Washington secede in response to a Trump popular election loss, but electoral college win.

Link

The Biden Campaign encouraged Western states, particularly California but also Oregon and Washington, and collectively known as “Cascadia,” to secede from the Union unless Congressional Republicans agreed to a set of structural reforms to fix our democratic system to ensure majority rule. With advice from President Obama, the Biden Campaign submitted a proposal to 1)Give statehood to Washington, DC and Puerto Rico; 2) Divide California into five states to more accurately represent its population in the Senate; 3) Require Supreme Court justices to retire at70; and 4) Eliminate the Electoral College, to ensure that the candidate who wins to the popular vote becomes President.

 

[Joes Place]

Seems like they were correct in that Trump and the GOP would illegally try to steal the election.

Why are you posting snippets that do not characterize the entirety of the document?

 

[seminole97]

Seems like they were correct in that Trump and the GOP would illegally try to steal the election.

Why are you posting snippets that do not characterize the entirety of the document?

By all means click the link I provided and add the context that you think properly frames the Democrats’ latest secession scheme.

 

[Joes Place]

By all means click the link I provided

You provided NONE of the context of the document. Simply one inflammatory section.

You seem to enjoy posting things that Russian Troll farms would post, to elicit reactionary responses. Here, and constantly in the Ukraine thread.

Why is that?

 

[seminole97]

You provided NONE of the context of the document. Simply one inflammatory section.

Provide the context you feel is lacking. I linked the entire document for you to read.

Do you think inflammatory Democratic secession threats are warranted if they lose the electoral college?

Would you support their secession, or would you want Washington DC to reconquer them?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Seems like they were correct in that Trump and the GOP would illegally try to steal the election.

Why are you posting snippets that do not characterize the entirety of the document?

Joe half quotes



You have officially pretzeled yourself.


This will come in handy.

 

[Joes Place]

Provide the context you feel is lacking.

Perhaps note that the entire document is premised on an ILLEGAL government takeover, for one...

 

[Joes Place]

Do you think inflammatory Democratic secession threats are warranted if they lose the electoral college?

They do not refer to "losing the electoral college"; they are referring to ILLEGAL electoral college interference, Cletus.

 

[Joes Place]

Joe half quotes

Referring to the entire context of a document, Cletus.

Perhaps you should read it, because you appear flummoxed here.

 

[cigaretteman]

In June 2020 the Transition Integrity Project (TIP) convened a bipartisan group of over 100 current and
former senior government and campaign leaders and other experts in a series of 2020 election crisis sce-
nario planning exercises.

 

[Joes Place]

In June 2020 the Transition Integrity Project (TIP) convened a bipartisan group of over 100 current and
former senior government and campaign leaders and other experts in a series of 2020 election crisis sce-
nario planning exercises.

Our resident Kremlin troll forgot to mention that part.

 

[Scott559]

Gotta say that took a bit of time to read, Nutshell, Bipartisan group plans ahead for possible illegal overthrow of election results with various scenarios because Trump had given strong indications he would not accept election results, All in all seemed like a much better plan than getting caught with their pants down after the election.

 

[seminole97]

Gotta say that took a bit of time to read, Nutshell, Bipartisan group plans ahead for possible illegal overthrow of election results with various scenarios because Trump had given strong indications he would not accept election results, All in all seemed like a much better plan than getting caught with their pants down after the election.

But what are your thoughts on the 'Cascadia Schism'?

If the Democrats really urged those three states to secede if they didn't have their demands to alter the Constitution met, let'em go, or re-conquer them?

Should we be worried or encouraged that Democrats are floating trial balloons about secession if they lose their electoral college?

 

[Scott559]

But what are your thoughts on the 'Cascadia Schism'?

If the Democrats really urged those three states to secede if they didn't have their demands to alter the Constitution met, let'em go, or re-conquer them?

Should we be worried or encouraged that Democrats are floating trial balloons about secession if they lose their electoral college?

I believe what we should truly worry about is a party trying to ILLEGALLY steal an election. The party illegally stealing an election would be the ones trying to alter the constitution.

 

[seminole97]

I believe what we should truly worry about is a party trying to ILLEGALLY steal an election. The party illegally stealing an election would be the ones trying to alter the constitution.

The Democrats actually war gamed secession as a valid political response to Trump winning the electoral college (Constitutional path to the presidency) and losing the popular vote.

Do you think if that happens this time (Trump wins electoral college, but not the popular vote) and Democrats lobby for secession of ‘Cascadia’ if Republicans refuse to amend the Constitution and admit new States, should the rest of the U.S. let them go?

It would be a substantial political shift for the remaining 47 States.

 

[RileyHawk]

The Democrats actually war gamed secession as a valid political response to Trump winning the electoral college (Constitutional path to the presidency) and losing the popular vote.

Do you think if that happens this time (Trump wins electoral college, but not the popular vote) and Democrats lobby for secession of ‘Cascadia’ if Republicans refuse to amend the Constitution and admit new States, should the rest of the U.S. let them go?

It would be a substantial political shift for the remaining 47 States.

It's hilarious watching you squirm and spin and cherry pick and make shit up as your premise gets completely destroyed.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Perhaps note that the entire document is premised on an ILLEGAL government takeover, for one...

Wrong; once again you’re vomiting out nothing but verbal and intellectual diarrhea.

Of the four scenarios (or games) played out, one involved an ambiguous election result and one referred to a ‘clear Trump win’.

The entire document was NOT premised on an illegal takeover, 🤡

 

[seminole97]

It's hilarious watching you squirm and spin and cherry pick and make shit up as your premise gets completely destroyed.

Can you indicate what you think is “made up”?

I’ve quoted the document accurately and provided the link to anyone who wants to read the whole thing.

22 pages is probably a lot for you to handle, but if you scroll to page 4 they lay out the scenarios they gamed. On page 17 they detail the scenario where Trump wins the electoral college, but loses the popular vote. Page 18 is where the Biden team encourages secession in response to Trump winning the electoral college.

The premise of seceding in response to losing was introduced by the Democrats, anyone can see for themselves.

 

[RileyHawk]

Can you indicate what you think is “made up”?

I’ve quoted the document accurately and provided the link to anyone who wants to read the whole thing.

22 pages is probably a lot for you to handle, but if you scroll to page 4 they lay out the scenarios they gamed. On page 17 they detail the scenario where Trump wins the electoral college, but loses the popular vote. Page 18 is where the Biden team encourages secession in response to Trump winning the electoral college.

The premise of seceding in response to losing was introduced by the Democrats, anyone can see for themselves.

Your whole premise.

It's hilarious.

 

[seminole97]

Your whole premise.

It's hilarious.

What do you think is my premise?

I’ve simply linked the Democrats’ strategy for how to respond to a Trump electoral college victory.

 

[RileyHawk]

What do you think is my premise?

I’ve simply linked the Democrats’ strategy for how to respond to a Trump electoral college victory.

That this is the Democrats' strategy.

Ever heard of the Claremont Institute's "79 Days to Inauguration" report?

You prove your foolishness over and over again.

 

[seminole97]

That this is the Democrats' strategy.

Who proposed it as a valid political response to a Trump electoral college win?

 

[Tom Paris]

Who proposed it as a valid political response to a Trump electoral college win?

It’s like you went to the Nat Algren school of “How to be a Russian Bot”. Lesson 1 - Be like me but just a little bit less.

 

[RileyHawk]

Who proposed it as a valid political response to a Trump electoral college win?

No one. You're misrepesenting once again.

The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) conducted a series of "war game" scenarios in June 2020 to explore potential outcomes and challenges in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Here are the key scenarios they utilized:

1. Narrow Biden Win​

• Scenario: Joe Biden wins the Electoral College narrowly.
• Outcome: This scenario explored potential disputes over mail-in ballots and voter suppression allegations, with the Trump campaign contesting the results in key states. The scenario emphasized the importance of a robust legal strategy and the role of state officials in certifying results.

2. Narrow Trump Win​

• Scenario: Donald Trump wins the Electoral College narrowly.
• Outcome: This scenario considered the possibility of widespread protests and civil unrest. It also examined how the Biden campaign and Democratic supporters might respond, including potential legal challenges and calls for recounts in closely contested states.

3. Clear Biden Win​

• Scenario: Joe Biden wins a clear victory in both the Electoral College and the popular vote.
• Outcome: This scenario looked at how the Trump campaign might react, including refusing to concede and making unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud. It also explored the roles of the media, law enforcement, and the judiciary in ensuring a peaceful transition of power.

4. Unclear Outcome​

• Scenario: The election result is unclear on Election Night, with neither candidate having a decisive victory.
• Outcome: This scenario focused on the period of uncertainty following the election, with both campaigns potentially declaring victory and mobilizing their supporters. It emphasized the risk of prolonged legal battles and the potential for misinformation to spread, undermining public confidence in the electoral process.

5. Extended Uncertainty​

• Scenario: No clear winner emerges for weeks due to close results and delayed counting of mail-in ballots.
• Outcome: This scenario involved extended legal battles and challenges to the legitimacy of the election. It highlighted the need for clear communication from election officials and the potential for escalating tensions among the public.

The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) did not advocate for secession, one of their war game scenarios explored the possibility of states threatening secession as a strategic maneuver during a contested election.

Specific Scenario:​

• Scenario: Narrow Biden Win
  
  • Details: In this scenario, TIP explored how key Democratic governors might respond to President Trump refusing to concede. They included the possibility of states like California, Oregon, and Washington threatening to secede from the Union if Trump attempted to hold onto power against the electoral results.

Context and Intent:​

• Context: This scenario was not an advocacy for secession but rather an exploration of extreme actions that state leaders might consider to pressure a peaceful and legitimate transition of power.
• Purpose: The aim was to identify and prepare for all potential responses to an unprecedented constitutional crisis, ensuring democratic norms and legal protocols were upheld.

Sources:​

• The New York Times - Transition Integrity Project
• Lawfare - The Transition Integrity Project Exercises
• The Atlantic - The Election That Could Break America

These discussions of secession were theoretical and intended to stress the importance of adherence to democratic principles and the peaceful transition of power.

 

[seminole97]

It’s like you went to the Nat Algren school of “How to be a Russian Bot”. Lesson 1 - Be like me but just a little bit less.

Would you want ‘Cascadia’ to be reconquered, or prefer to see the U.S. let them go, and maybe move there?

 

[Hawki97]

No one. You're misrepesenting once again.

The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) conducted a series of "war game" scenarios in June 2020 to explore potential outcomes and challenges in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Here are the key scenarios they utilized:

1. Narrow Biden Win​

• Scenario: Joe Biden wins the Electoral College narrowly.
• Outcome: This scenario explored potential disputes over mail-in ballots and voter suppression allegations, with the Trump campaign contesting the results in key states. The scenario emphasized the importance of a robust legal strategy and the role of state officials in certifying results.

2. Narrow Trump Win​

• Scenario: Donald Trump wins the Electoral College narrowly.
• Outcome: This scenario considered the possibility of widespread protests and civil unrest. It also examined how the Biden campaign and Democratic supporters might respond, including potential legal challenges and calls for recounts in closely contested states.

3. Clear Biden Win​

• Scenario: Joe Biden wins a clear victory in both the Electoral College and the popular vote.
• Outcome: This scenario looked at how the Trump campaign might react, including refusing to concede and making unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud. It also explored the roles of the media, law enforcement, and the judiciary in ensuring a peaceful transition of power.

4. Unclear Outcome​

• Scenario: The election result is unclear on Election Night, with neither candidate having a decisive victory.
• Outcome: This scenario focused on the period of uncertainty following the election, with both campaigns potentially declaring victory and mobilizing their supporters. It emphasized the risk of prolonged legal battles and the potential for misinformation to spread, undermining public confidence in the electoral process.

5. Extended Uncertainty​

• Scenario: No clear winner emerges for weeks due to close results and delayed counting of mail-in ballots.
• Outcome: This scenario involved extended legal battles and challenges to the legitimacy of the election. It highlighted the need for clear communication from election officials and the potential for escalating tensions among the public.

The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) did not advocate for secession, one of their war game scenarios explored the possibility of states threatening secession as a strategic maneuver during a contested election.

Specific Scenario:​

• Scenario: Narrow Biden Win
  
  • Details: In this scenario, TIP explored how key Democratic governors might respond to President Trump refusing to concede. They included the possibility of states like California, Oregon, and Washington threatening to secede from the Union if Trump attempted to hold onto power against the electoral results.

Context and Intent:​

• Context: This scenario was not an advocacy for secession but rather an exploration of extreme actions that state leaders might consider to pressure a peaceful and legitimate transition of power.
• Purpose: The aim was to identify and prepare for all potential responses to an unprecedented constitutional crisis, ensuring democratic norms and legal protocols were upheld.

Sources:​

• The New York Times - Transition Integrity Project
• Lawfare - The Transition Integrity Project Exercises
• The Atlantic - The Election That Could Break America

These discussions of secession were theoretical and intended to stress the importance of adherence to democratic principles and the peaceful transition of power.

Sounds like CRT or somethin'.

 

[jneffer]

No one. You're misrepesenting once again.

The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) conducted a series of "war game" scenarios in June 2020 to explore potential outcomes and challenges in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Here are the key scenarios they utilized:

1. Narrow Biden Win​

• Scenario: Joe Biden wins the Electoral College narrowly.
• Outcome: This scenario explored potential disputes over mail-in ballots and voter suppression allegations, with the Trump campaign contesting the results in key states. The scenario emphasized the importance of a robust legal strategy and the role of state officials in certifying results.

2. Narrow Trump Win​

• Scenario: Donald Trump wins the Electoral College narrowly.
• Outcome: This scenario considered the possibility of widespread protests and civil unrest. It also examined how the Biden campaign and Democratic supporters might respond, including potential legal challenges and calls for recounts in closely contested states.

3. Clear Biden Win​

• Scenario: Joe Biden wins a clear victory in both the Electoral College and the popular vote.
• Outcome: This scenario looked at how the Trump campaign might react, including refusing to concede and making unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud. It also explored the roles of the media, law enforcement, and the judiciary in ensuring a peaceful transition of power.

4. Unclear Outcome​

• Scenario: The election result is unclear on Election Night, with neither candidate having a decisive victory.
• Outcome: This scenario focused on the period of uncertainty following the election, with both campaigns potentially declaring victory and mobilizing their supporters. It emphasized the risk of prolonged legal battles and the potential for misinformation to spread, undermining public confidence in the electoral process.

5. Extended Uncertainty​

• Scenario: No clear winner emerges for weeks due to close results and delayed counting of mail-in ballots.
• Outcome: This scenario involved extended legal battles and challenges to the legitimacy of the election. It highlighted the need for clear communication from election officials and the potential for escalating tensions among the public.

The Transition Integrity Project (TIP) did not advocate for secession, one of their war game scenarios explored the possibility of states threatening secession as a strategic maneuver during a contested election.

Specific Scenario:​

• Scenario: Narrow Biden Win
  
  • Details: In this scenario, TIP explored how key Democratic governors might respond to President Trump refusing to concede. They included the possibility of states like California, Oregon, and Washington threatening to secede from the Union if Trump attempted to hold onto power against the electoral results.

Context and Intent:​

• Context: This scenario was not an advocacy for secession but rather an exploration of extreme actions that state leaders might consider to pressure a peaceful and legitimate transition of power.
• Purpose: The aim was to identify and prepare for all potential responses to an unprecedented constitutional crisis, ensuring democratic norms and legal protocols were upheld.

Sources:​

• The New York Times - Transition Integrity Project
• Lawfare - The Transition Integrity Project Exercises
• The Atlantic - The Election That Could Break America

These discussions of secession were theoretical and intended to stress the importance of adherence to democratic principles and the peaceful transition of power.

that's a lot of words

can't you distill it down to the most inflamatory parts only?

 

[artradley]

Before the last election Democrats war gamed a plan to have the western states of California, Oregon and Washington secede in response to a Trump popular election loss, but electoral college win.

Link

The Biden Campaign encouraged Western states, particularly California but also Oregon and Washington, and collectively known as “Cascadia,” to secede from the Union unless Congressional Republicans agreed to a set of structural reforms to fix our democratic system to ensure majority rule. With advice from President Obama, the Biden Campaign submitted a proposal to 1)Give statehood to Washington, DC and Puerto Rico; 2) Divide California into five states to more accurately represent its population in the Senate; 3) Require Supreme Court justices to retire at70; and 4) Eliminate the Electoral College, to ensure that the candidate who wins to the popular vote becomes President.

Not only is this Pepsi, but your Russian-spoon-fed interpretation has already been debunked.

You are veering dangerously close to becoming one of the comically ridiculous right wing stooges here, which is sad because you can be better.

 

[seminole97]

Not only is this Pepsi, but your Russian-spoon-fed interpretation has already been debunked.

Debunked?! In what sense?

Did you not read the linked document? I even provided the relevant page numbers if you didn’t want to read the whole thing.

This notion of secession in response to Trump winning the electoral college wasn’t foisted upon them, they came up with it themselves.

You are veering dangerously close to becoming one of the comically ridiculous right wing stooges here, which is sad because you can be better.

What I find comical are the lengths folks will go to not address the ramifications of that proposal.

Would you want the US to fight to reconquer ‘Cascadia’ if they threatened secession over a Trump electoral college victory? Or just let them go?

 

[Joes Place]

The Democrats actually war gamed secession as a valid political response to Trump winning the electoral college

No; they gamed it in prep for ILLEGALLY undermining the Electoral College vote.

You claimed you were not posting disinformation here, but you continue to do it, Komrade.

 

[Joes Place]

The entire document was NOT premised on an illegal takeover,

The parts the OP refers to ARE, Cletus.

 

[artradley]

Debunked?! In what sense?

Did you not read the linked document? I even provided the relevant page numbers if you didn’t want to read the whole thing.

This notion of secession in response to Trump winning the electoral college wasn’t foisted upon them, they came up with it themselves.



What I find comical are the lengths folks will go to not address the ramifications of that proposal.

Would you want the US to fight to reconquer ‘Cascadia’ if they threatened secession over a Trump electoral college victory? Or just let them go?

The problem is you keep calling it a proposed course of action, but it is not. Your premise is false. People have patiently explained this to you.

 

[RileyHawk]

that's a lot of words

can't you distill it down to the most inflamatory parts only?

It was one scenario of many that a bi-partisan thinktank looked at prior to the 2020 election. There was no strategy proposed, it was merely an exercise to think about what would need to be done in the unlikely scenario.

A right wing thinktank did the same thing.

 

[RileyHawk]

Debunked?! In what sense?

Did you not read the linked document? I even provided the relevant page numbers if you didn’t want to read the whole thing.

This notion of secession in response to Trump winning the electoral college wasn’t foisted upon them, they came up with it themselves.



What I find comical are the lengths folks will go to not address the ramifications of that proposal.

Would you want the US to fight to reconquer ‘Cascadia’ if they threatened secession over a Trump electoral college victory? Or just let them go?

It wasn't a proposal. That is complete fabrication on your part.

This also happened. Care to comment?

The Claremont Institute's "79 Days to Inauguration" report, created in collaboration with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, did include scenarios that involved discussions of secession. This report explored a range of potential outcomes for the 2020 U.S. presidential election, including extreme cases such as secession, particularly if there were widespread disputes over election legitimacy and processes.

 

[seminole97]

The problem is you keep calling it a proposed course of action, but it is not. Your premise is false. People have patiently explained this to you.

Did you read game three in the link?

 

[RileyHawk]

Did you read game three in the link?

What does "game" mean to you in this context?

 

[Joes Place]

A right wing thinktank did the same thing.

The "rightwing think tanks" pushed false voter fraud claims for months on end.

Literally brought no evidence to any trials.
Lost all of them.

Continue pushing the same narrative 4 years later.

I wonder if OP can point to where "Dem think tanks" pushed ANYTHING in that document, 4 years later...

 

[artradley]

Did you read game three in the link?

Yes.

Perhaps you could scroll down to page 11, where recommendations are listed.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

It's hilarious watching you squirm and spin and cherry pick and make shit up as your premise gets completely destroyed.

Hard for Dems to admit they’ve adopted a ‘J6 meets the Confederacy’ type policy with this document.

Probably why you and your cronies continue to deny it says what it says while refusing to actually read it.

😂 😂 😂

 

[Joes Place]

Hard for Dems to admit they’ve adopted a ‘J6 meets the Confederacy’ type policy with this document.

'Specially when they adopted no such policy.

UNLIKE your MAGA buddies that took 60+ cases of voter fraud to court w/o any evidence, and got bunches of their lawyers disbarred, along with Rudy G losing his net worth over libel and slander claims.