Jack may have gotten a hardship waiver even pre covid because of his fathers death, just as Jake Kelly did, Joe T. and CJ would certainly have had to sit out a year, not that it would have mattered for Cj as he's on the shelf as usual with yet another leg injury.....
Tyrese Hunter in transfer portal official
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They should lose a year of eligibility too. But as a country we don't hold people accountable for anything these days.
To be fair the folks in charge of the NCAA have lots in common with politicians these days
. I think this would be a great first to limit the free agency madness. I used to love college sports, but my interest is rapidly declining.
When in doubt, blame the libs! Aren't the cons supposed to be the anti-regulation pro free market people?
Schools are actually able to drop players. When you sign a NLI, you are signing for 1 year!! You may know this and I am being redundant, but a student athlete must sign their "tender" each year. Usually after the end of the season meeting with the HC. It is at this time that they may "agree" to go their separate ways. Either way, both sides have a "say in the matter".
As a ISU fan, I am really disappointed with TH leaving. At the same time, I completely understand, and certainly don't hold it against him. The system is broken, but he is playing within the rules. Go get your $$$ Tyrese!
As several have noted, ISU has certainly benefitted from transfers the 10 years or so. At the same time, Hoiberg didn't have to deal with NIL, and several had to sit 1 year. (Allen + Luscious from MSU, but I could be wrong). I don't recall all of them, but a few (Kane) may have be Grad transfers + immediately eligible.
My only question is this: "was there any tampering"? We would be naive to think that TH wasn't contacted (UNC) ahead of time. The same could be said about CJ Frederick last year.
The NCAA is spineless and won't touch certain schools. That bothers me more than TH leaving. This needs to be regulated better, or the separation between Blue Bloods and the rest just got wider.
Anyway, too bad for ISU, but life will go on. Lipsey just got more PT!
As several have noted, ISU has certainly benefitted from transfers the 10 years or so. At the same time, Hoiberg didn't have to deal with NIL, and several had to sit 1 year. (Allen + Luscious from MSU, but I could be wrong). I don't recall all of them, but a few (Kane) may have be Grad transfers + immediately eligible.
My only question is this: "was there any tampering"? We would be naive to think that TH wasn't contacted (UNC) ahead of time. The same could be said about CJ Frederick last year.
The NCAA is spineless and won't touch certain schools. That bothers me more than TH leaving. This needs to be regulated better, or the separation between Blue Bloods and the rest just got wider.
Anyway, too bad for ISU, but life will go on. Lipsey just got more PT!
I wonder how quick the backlash is going to be when we find out how much Nike money went to NIL for Oregon, for example. These brands better be careful to spread the love or they might find that certain fans and businesses won’t do business with them anymore
I would only question one of your statements, that it isn't the first incident of its magnitude nationally. If it isn't, it's close. This is a true freshman who was freshman of the year in what is generally regarded as the best conference in the country, and is a finalist for two "National Freshman of the Year" awards.
This obviously is a huge hurt for ISU, and while I agree the school has benefitted greatly in the past from transfers, the concepts of NIL and immediate eligibility make the situation significantly different. The Cyclone transfers who helped the program almost all either had to sit out a year or came in as grad transfers...and of course the question of compensation wasn't on the table, at least not openly.
For the record, I've said for months that NIL and immediate eligibility were horrible concepts that will really hurt college sports. This isn't something new for me just because my ox got gored.
NIL is great for the player but terrible for college athletics. One reason I’ve always favored college over professional was watching teams grow.
You might have had 3 or 4 players come in as Freshmen together, struggle mightily initially, but they improved each year until their upperclassmen years produced some really good teams. And of course you developed an emotional bond with then through the struggles and successes.
Now you really don’t know what to expect. I know Fran gets a ton of shit for not using the portal enough but I prefer it that. He plugs holes and rolls with the team he has.
Maybe I’m stuck on some nostalgic bullshit but I really hopes he sticks to his guns by mainly getting guys out of HS and developing then vs trading 4 or 5 players for 4 or 5 “better” players every year.
Not that there’s anything inherently wrong with that strategy but, as more of a traditionalist, it’s causing me to reflect on where I spend my time and resources.
I can’t see myself cutting the Hawkeyes out of my life completely but I can see not rearranging my life around Iowa athletics to make sure I don’t miss a game. Life’s too short to engage in activities that are becoming less and less enjoyable.
Don't know if it's $2 billion, but what they put on their website as of 2018-19 is less than that.
Where Does the Money Go? - NCAA.org
According to them, only $44.8M is going to administration/overhead at the NCAA. If this is true, they distribute the money to conferences/schools, other funds.
To the question of tampering, they literally have no way of proving it if they just keep one level of separation between the player and other program. If it's a friend of the family or someone in the player's circle that reaches out to the prospective school and has the conversation, there is not much there. And the NCAA has no ability to subpoena records from the school unless they have reason to believe a violation occurred. All Hunter or any player has to do is say any contact came after they entered their name in the portal and it's done.
With Frederick, of course someone close to him had assurances that Kentucky was an option when he transferred. And I'm not saying it's bad or that Fran should have done anything about it. It is what it is.
This. I haven't seen anything linking Hunter to another school, either before or since he released his statement. Links?
I don't know either. Just read a thread over the weekend linking TH to UNC. Didn't seem to be too credible, but who knows? Agreed that there is no way to prove it.
Well many things could be at play. What if the kid and coach just straight don't vibe? What if the coach is a complete di** behind closed doors? What if he gets homesick? Injured? Coach leaves? Town sucks? The situation sucks right now for fans, but it's not our life to tell someone else how or where to live. We don't make regular college kids sit out, if they transfer, if they change their mind for any reason. If the NBA would just make highschoolers eligible, it would help some confusion and so many spots opening after a year.
If you pay players directly then it is professional sports. There is no reason for them to go to class. It's no longer college sports - it's pro sports.
Maybe that's where it's headed anyway.
Of course, that will mean the end of the tax-exempt status of athletic programs. No tax deduction for donations. The athletic program will pay tax on their net income, just like any other business.
Players will negotiate salary, or demand a "trade". Players will hold-out. Most of the D1 programs will bail in both football and basketball become they can't afford to pay players. So, you have a "league" of the teams that have money.
Will the revenue stream continue uninterrupted? Will fans still go to games to watch pros in the same numbers as they are now? Nondeductible donations will almost certainly wane. There will be no more nonrevenue sports, because football and basketball desegregated from the U.
But, wait a sec ... the University owns Kinnick and Carver. They own the practice facilities. The "rent" that the Iowa Hawkeyes professional team will have to pay will be pretty steep.
Will there be recruiting? Or a draft?
'But sure. Pay players - everything will work out.
This
Nil means the death of college sports as we know it .
If you think it’s rough being a Hawk fan now, just wait. The best players will be untouchable to recruit as they will just head to the school with the deepest pockets…
Tyrese Hunter enters transfer portal
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Iowa State went out and recruited players already in the portal that, like it or not, we’re kicked off their former team, needed changes of scenery, or wanted playing time. They were in the portal long before ISU contact.
This feels more like actively recruiting or throwing money at a perfectly (seemingly) content player. This is just… awful.
Interesting. I thought the BIG had put in some kind of four year policy on scholarships years ago? I assume that was not the case then....
Exactly. People just don't seem to understand the ramifications with the Govt., and the IRS once "student athletes" become paid employees.
NIL is unlike high level pro sports because it’s annual free agency. I think the next step is schools recruiting players to binding contracts. If you want to be one and done or test the open market after one year, you find a school that offers you a one year deal. Schools, like Iowa, who tend to be development schools would be in the market for players looking for three, four, or five year deals. Like the pros, you would owe that school that many years of service before you could transfer to another school and play. That would eliminate some of the uncertainty created by NIL.
The remaining hint of a relationship between athletics and the concept of education is just a lie everyone tells themselves. It's about money, billions and billions of dollars.
The idea of a minor football league has never worked, and never will work-long term. With NIL we have created a minor league that can parallel the NFL broadcasts.
The Golden Goose is on its way to the gallows. There is a tsunami coming to our economy. Entertainment dollars are going to be significantly diminished in the next ten years. That will kill off programs like Iowa's-we just do not have enough money to compete.
The idea of a minor football league has never worked, and never will work-long term. With NIL we have created a minor league that can parallel the NFL broadcasts.
The Golden Goose is on its way to the gallows. There is a tsunami coming to our economy. Entertainment dollars are going to be significantly diminished in the next ten years. That will kill off programs like Iowa's-we just do not have enough money to compete.
Explain how this is a liberal thing. Can’t wait for the response.
It has nothing to do with minutes. He committed to a program/coach/university. Does a persons word not mean anything anymore? Do we not expect it to? I get that coaches can leave any time and have no penalties so it’s unbalanced. But no coach left. No personal issues for this kid that we’re aware of or are big enough to be public. No grade problems. It’s simply a case of him having a great year and chasing the cash.
Sadly that last paragraph is frighteningly true, and it doesn’t do much for my anxiety!
I always thought Otzelb was the one really in back of this Hoiberg transfer policy .
agreed, we were never a powerhouse in basketball to begin with and any chance of moving up the ranking ladder probably will get slowly wiped away...I am thinking it will also have a ripple effect on traditionally better BT programs like Wisconsin and Sparty as well....
I have a question for those who follow this more closely than I do. Does NIL make a team's scholarship count somewhat meaningless?
For example, let's say Kentucky has no scholarships available but they want Hunter. If Hunter knew he was going to be getting big NIL $, why would he care if he had a scholarship?
For example, let's say Kentucky has no scholarships available but they want Hunter. If Hunter knew he was going to be getting big NIL $, why would he care if he had a scholarship?
It’s not. He should have to sit too. I don’t have a perfect answer and like I said, I agree it’s not balanced by any means.
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