What should UCF have done to make the playoff then? Or are you of the belief that G5 teams can only make the playoff under literally perfect circumstances?
UCF declares itself National Champions
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UCF had 2 power 5 schools on their OOC schedule this year...or 1 more than Alabama...
Well, duh...
If Iowa is not involved, I don't really give AF...
8 teams is where the CFP should go...all 5 conf champs, highest rated g5 team, 2 at large...
UCF gets my vote for National Champion. I would have rather seen them make the CFP than Alabama. I usually don't like Group of Five teams, but they were fun to watch and, hell, they beat the Auburn team that beat Bama. Oh, well. I won't be watching the alternate national championship game, though. Already saw the real winner play in a great game.
maybe they did get auburns best, but as I mentioned I didn't get to see it all as I was busy watching mi crap the bed
that said, you hear all year about "trap games" and "how will this team perform after their big loss/win the previous game"
what makes that any different for a bowl game vs reg game?
Also I don't believe the "best" non p5 team plays the best p5 teams or even a conf champ.
The difference is they aren’t playing the “trap” game the following week after an emotional game. Auburn had weeks to get over the loss a prepare for UCF.
The same can be said for BYU in 1984. BYU was undefeated and voted #1. BYU played in the awful WAC. They only played three teams that ended up with winning records (Tulsa 6-5, Hawaii 7-4, and Air Force 8-4--those three teams got a lot of their wins against their awful WAC opponents, such as New Mexico, CO. State, UTEP.... BYU beat a 6-6 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl that season and going into the bowl game, Michigan had lost three of their last 5. CFU has a much greater body of work... Please don't rant and rave about "but they didn't have a Bowl Series then etc.."
Important distinction is having someone ELSE declare you national champions. Some legit national organization that has been awarding them for sometime, like the AP, Football Writers Association, etc. I don't think you can just go around crowning yourself and design your own trophy and look in anyway legit. More like a bunch of buffoons.
it's really a shame OK didn't win it!
we beat the team that beat them and we beat OSU by more.
we could declare national champs!
we beat the team that beat them and we beat OSU by more.
we could declare national champs!
The fact that a group of people decide who is worthy to play is the problem. It was the problem before and is the problem now. A lot of this nonsense is also tied to bowl relationships. That needs to stop. The Rose Bowl stadium is a dump and they have zero motivation to improve. Why should bowls drive anything. The product is the game not the venue
Probably not, but neither did anyone playing in the CFP this year, so there's that.
Now go back and look at Bama's schedule and they didn't beat Auburn either. There in the game because of their brand.
Are you unable to separate idealism from reality? I'm not "of the belief" a G5 team can only make the playoff under perfect circumstances, because that is blatantly obvious.
The current system is designed to select the four strongest P5 Champions and/or At-large Bluebloods. The system didn't fail UCF; the system did exactly what it's designed to do.
How many of those are recognized by the university?Just gonna drop this in here...
If you'd like a graphic claiming 120 consecutive National Championships for Iowa, I can make that happen.
1958 is the only one Iowa claims, although they really should claim all 5...
You're right. The system, as usual, was designed to fail.
Transitive win arguments are stupid. Nebraska beat Purdue, who beat Iowa, who beat OSU, so Nebraska won the B1G. Auburn looked as uninterested as any bowl team in recent years, especially in the first half. UCF looked like every punchy mid major that makes a big bowl during their outlier season.
Every Nebraska fan collectively just said “see, I told ya so”.
After eight years, Nebraska can finally wear those Big Ten Champs T-shirts.
I still vote UCF champs. No transitive arguments. They're the only team that didn't lose a game. Good enough for me this year.
UCF at least deserved to be in an elite 8 format; heck, going 13-0 should get you in; and after what they did to Auburn, a lot of people are wondering how well they would do vs Georgia, Bama, Clemson and Oklahoma
Yeah because before a bowl game I forgot what a difficult schedule UCF played in the REGULAR SEASON. Not one of those teams will finish the season ranked when final polls come out next week minus their bowl opponent who finished with 4 losses who by the way Georgia beat by 3 TDswith their rematch on a neutral site.
So excuse me give power 5 teams UCF's regular season schedule and quite a few of them would go undefeated. The best team before a bowl game they beat was Memphis who lost to Iowa State in a bowl game at home none the less.
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You do realize they only played one with the Ga Tech game being cancelled due to the Hurricane. So Bama played FSU and UCF played that power house 5-7 Maryland team. Also Bama's conference schedule in the SEC was just a tad tougher than the AAC one UCF played.
Yes, the GA Tech game was cancelled due to the hurricane, but UCF did schedule them...and they are a P5 team, as is MD...
And that murderer's row of Vandy, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Tenn, aTm...
Wow congrats to UCF for scheduling GT and Maryland 2 great Power 5 teams compared to FSU. But the end of the day they only played one until their bowl game and Alabama played 9 power 5 teams. As for murderers row yeah those SEC teams are so much easier than the likes of East Carolina, SMU, Cincinnati & UConn....
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Your point? UCF went undefeated. They should have a chance to play for a championship...
At the start of the basketball season, Duke and CSU Northridge both have the same opportunity to play for the championship...
At the start of the baseball season, Coastal Carolina has the same chance to play for the championship as Alabama...
Name one other NCAA D1 sport where a team does not have a chance to play for the championship decided before the season starts?
Except UCF didn't play Auburn on a neutral site. The Peach bowl was a home game for Auburn. The two teams playing in the NC lost to Auburn. UCF didn't. End of story.
So your argument is that Memphis lost to ISU? Great argument! One of the CFP teams lost to ISU too. Solid.
My point is UCF played a very weak regular season schedule plain and simple.
As to your other points that's the whole reason with the BCS now playoffs. Been an issue for college football for decades. Life isn't fair take it up with the committee. But for them to proclaim themselves as national champs looks pathetic considering who they played. They aren't the first and won't be the last non power 5 team to happen to. Guess Boise St can stake claim to some national titles as well since they went undefeated and beat a bunch of easy conference foes and 1-2 power 5 teams back in the day too. Even Auburn back in 04' when they went undefeated but didn't make title game cause USC and OU both were as well didn't stake claim to it and they actually played a tough schedule that year.
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Interesting didn't know Atlanta Georgia new Mercedes Benz Dome was the home field Auburn played at. Just cause it is 2 hrs away doesn't mean its a home game and stadium had plenty of UCF fans. Just cause they lost to Auburn and UCF isn't the end all be all. Auburn lost to Clemson and Clemson lost to Alabama so it swings both ways. Ignore the fact that Georgia beat Auburn by 3 tds in rematch and actually played GT whose game was cancelled with UCF and beat ND on the road in non conference.
See there is this thing called the playoff committee who looks at the whole resume and my original point is if you look at UCF's regular season it's pretty weak and makes our 2015 schedule look really tough. I mean if Western Michigan would have beat Wisconsin last year in the Cotton Bowl they could be National Champs last year with UCF AD's logic. They did same thing beat 1 ok and another sub .500 power 5 in non conference then didn't lose a game to those amazing MAC teams. They also played a team who lost it's conference title game and had 3 losses going into a bowl game. Who knew PJ Fleck was that close to a National Championship last year....
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You really don’t make any good points. There weren’t plenty of UCF fans there. There were about as many ICF fans there as you would see if the game were played in Auburn. You football dunces trying to justify Auburn’s loss to UCF can’t even make a valid argument against them playing in the CFP. You are continually grasping at straws.
Your entire “who did they play” argument is shattered because UCF’s SOS is similar to Alabama’s.
Your “where did they play” argument is so stupid, even Vegas only gives home field advantage 3 points. What does that tell you? Home field advantage isn’t worth anything.
You even bring up a game cancelled due to a hurricane as if somehow UCF had any control. Really? That’s what you’re going with too?
This isn’t the pre 80’s football that you remember and love. The power 5 conferences are not head and shoulders above the other conferences. It’s proven every year, and it makes people like you sound really foolish.
Considering how often the sec is over ranked I find the strength of schedule argument to be very weak. ESPN has been gaming the system for years in order to line their own pockets. Delaney telling them to pound sand anf starting his own network is a huge part of the attack we saw for years by the spin masters at espn on the Big Ten. Now they have gone too far and it really doesnt matter at all that Georgia and Alabama are in the final. No one outside of ESPN and the sec really believes it unless they have bought into the spin. Regardless the brand of college football has been damaged tremendously. People want things decided on the field not in a board room. Which is why I see UCF as just as legitimate as anything that happens in the remaining of the farce that this nc game represents.
There is something to be said about keeping the vast majority of decisions and games with the biggest conferences. They are after all the reason there is a tv audience to begin with but that doesnt excuse completely removing all semblence of objectivity. It sure doesnt excuse allowing a tv network to hijack the process.
Expanding a playoff might help things but ultimately the universities in the power 5 need to lay down the law with the ncaa rather than the other way around. They need to wrest control of the post season away from stadiums. They also need to put tje subjectivity and controversy that makes espn happy out to pasture as well as the collusion between the tv network and the sec.
If the sec doesnt want to get in line the rest of the country will be just fine without them.
There is something to be said about keeping the vast majority of decisions and games with the biggest conferences. They are after all the reason there is a tv audience to begin with but that doesnt excuse completely removing all semblence of objectivity. It sure doesnt excuse allowing a tv network to hijack the process.
Expanding a playoff might help things but ultimately the universities in the power 5 need to lay down the law with the ncaa rather than the other way around. They need to wrest control of the post season away from stadiums. They also need to put tje subjectivity and controversy that makes espn happy out to pasture as well as the collusion between the tv network and the sec.
If the sec doesnt want to get in line the rest of the country will be just fine without them.
Ya, until there is an 8 team playoff, if a non P5 team want's respect, they're going to have to take it. That means scheduling "elite" P5 conference in OOC schedule and taking them down. Until then, they will be on outside looking in.
