Well it may be hard for you to believe, but I'd be prepared to be disappointed come Saturday....
Update: Noah Shannon CLEARED TO PRACTICE. 26 UI student-athletes investigated for online gambling, incl in FB, Men’s BB, Baseball, T&F & Wrestling
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You can hit some people in the face with the facts and they still can't see the forest for the trees. Just Black and gold hope I guess.....
First off, try reading comprehension. I did NOT say "it was silly". I said, "it might seem silly". That was for those who can't seem to understand that Kirk can NOT name, Out, or otherwise point o those players who will be suspended. As "silly " as that "may seem", because we'll know on Saturday, he still can't do it.
so... if Kirk doesn't play them on Saturday... is he breaking the law ?
I don't understand this Furpa law
by law... he has to list them on the depth chart ?
if he does not put them on the depth chart.. he violates the law?
I don't understand this Furpa law
by law... he has to list them on the depth chart ?
if he does not put them on the depth chart.. he violates the law?
This really isn't as hard as your trying to make it. Understand all the chatter that Kirk has evidently confirmed that there will be others, suspended. Supposedly at least one starter, and we all know who the starters are in the DB room. Should Kirk remove, Lets say Harris, from the depth chart we all would know he was suspended. But according to this law, he can't "inform" anyone of the players suspended without their prior consent. Since no one else has been named then obviously they have not consented, (for whatever reason) to be named. Once we start playing he can't play a suspended player, so his hands are now washed of any culpability. As I said earlier, I totally agree that it "seems silly" since we'll know soon anyway, but its no more strange then a player not consenting to having his name released when we'll know dam well anyway if they don't play Saturday, but thats where we are evdently.....
Absolutely.
I think the process is commonly misunderstood. Every single athlete reported to the NCAA for suspicion of gambling was immediately withheld from competition because, once the UI AD learns of the situation, they must self report or risk sanctions for allowing an ineligible athlete to compete. In other words, once the UI was placed on notice that these players were identified as engaging in NCAA forbidden activity, they are withheld from competition as the school awaits the reinstatement ruling.
Players apply for reinstatement. If you remember from this summer, Heller commented several times that they were waiting for a reinstatement ruling and they were hopeful to hear before the NCAA Regionals started. I won't pretend to know all that is involved (I do know that the UI's legal counsel helped the players with their reinstatement applications) and what the NCAA demands. A good guess would include number of wagers, total amounts wagered, the sports and teams on which wagers were placed, how the wagers were placed, etc.
After all of the information sought by the NCAA has been produced, there is a reinstatement committee which hands down its ruling. Its rulings are guided by the factors/considerations previously posted.
We know that the reinstatement committee decided that Shannon is ineligible for a full-year.
We know that the reinstatement committee decided that Player A and Player B are ineligible for less than a full-year. If the reinstatement committee is following its guidelines, the potential punishment ranges from 10% of games, 20% of games, 30% of games to 50% of games. Since 12 games isn't easily divided by 10%, 20% or 30%, I have no clue as to (a) whether 10% (10% of 12 = 1.2 games) is a one or two game suspension; (b) whether 20% (20% of 12 = 2.4 games) is a two or three game suspension; or (c) whether 30% (30% of 12 is 3.6) is a three or four game suspension.
Reinstatement rulings can then be appealed.
We don't know how long the appeal process may last. But, since he was suspended for the full year, there is nothing to lose for Shannon to file the appeal. Anything less than a year means that he can play (I'm not hopeful).
My best effort to estimate how long the appeal process may take comes from the Tisdale situation at Virginia Tech. Tisdale self-reported about gambling on pro sports. He was immediately deemed ineligible by Va Tech's compliance department and they reported to the NCAA. They provided a bunch of information to the NCAA and, ultimately, the reinstatement committee handed down a 9 game suspension (75% of the season).
In The Athletic's story, it noted that Tisdale had fallen down the depth chart (note to certain others on the Board . . . Tisdale was not removed from the depth chart) during Fall practice while Tisdale and Va. Tech were working on the reinstatement application. It also notes that "Tisdale sat out the Hokies' opener as a precaution." Va. Tech then learned that the penalty was 9 games.
Va. Tech and Tisdale appealed and the penalty was reduced to 6 games. Tisdale played in Games 7-12.
So:
If (a) Tisdale didn't get a ruling until after Game 1 was played; (b) Tisdale prepared and submitted an appeal after Game 1 was played; and (c) Tisdale received a ruling on his appeal before Game 7, then doesn't logic dictate that his appeal took about 5 weeks?
Here's the Tisdale story: https://theathletic.com/3781182/2022/11/10/alan-tisdale-ncaa-gambling-virginia-tech/
If the appeals process takes about 5 weeks, then I'm thinking that Player A and B's suspensions are likely in the 10%, 20% or 30% range. If Player A and Player B were looking at sitting out 50% of the season (Games 1 - 6), they would have a decent chance to get a ruling before Game 6 is played. Might as well run an appeal up the flagpole.
Since Player A and Player B are not appealing, I'm thinking that they didn't get a "50% of the season" penalty. Really no benefit to appealing a 1, 2, 3 or 4 game suspension if the appeal will take 5 weeks.
With the caveat that there is a fair amount of supposition in the thought process, I'm leaning towards the suspensions for Player A and B to be anywhere from 2 to 4 games. And, depending upon what each did/didn't do, their suspensions may be different.
Given the NCAA's attitude towards betting on a team of the same institution, I'm not particularly confident for Shannon to ever play again. Would love to be surprised and I'm hoping to be surprised but I'm thinking that he's played his last game as a Hawkeye.
Take it FWIW.
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So likely expect a couple of backups in the defensive backfield for the first couple of games. I think we will be fine there. Iowa State has a new QB and not great receivers and not a great TE.
And just maybe our offense will carry our defense for some games for once.
Here's a good article published in the Marquette Sports Law Review: https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1299&context=sportslaw
The article starts with page 320. Pages 331-335 are instructive.
Here are guidelines:
For all wagering-related violations reported on or after May 2, the following guidelines will apply:
- Student-athletes who engage in activities to influence the outcomes of their own games or knowingly provide information to individuals involved in sports betting activities will potentially face permanent loss of collegiate eligibility in all sports. This would also apply to student-athletes who wager on their own games or on other sports at their own schools.
- If a student-athlete wagers on their own sport at another school, education on sports wagering rules and prevention will be required as a condition of reinstatement, and the loss of 50% of one season of eligibility will be considered.
- For all other wagering-related violations (e.g., wagering on professional sports), cumulative dollar value of the wagers will be taken into consideration with the following terms for reinstatement:
- $200 or less: sports wagering rules and prevention education.
- $201-$500: loss of 10% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education.
- $501-$800: loss of 20% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education.
- Greater than $800: loss of 30% of a season of eligibility, plus rules and prevention education.
Here's hoping that Player A and Player B wagered less than a total of $800. Would like the Hawkeyes to be at full strength for trip to Happy Valley.
Thanks for all the leg work and your expertise AuroraHawk
In Daniel S. v. Board of Education of York Community High School,112 the plaintiff was a seventeen-year-old student enrolled in a physical education
class at York Community High School. 1 3 Daniel and another student ripped their school-issued swimsuits during a swimming class, and were required by their instructor to remove their swimsuits and stand naked in the shower room while the others in the class showered and dressed.114 Daniel stood naked for a total of sixteen minutes, and was seen by students from two different physical education classes. 115 The teacher, who was also coach of the high school cross-country track team, told his team of the incident without naming the students, but the identity of the students removed from the class was common knowledge among other students at the school. 116 Daniel's parents filed suit against the school, alleging numerous constitutional, statutory and common-law causes of action, in addition to an allegation that the school and teacher violated the provisions of FERPA."l 7 The plaintiffs argued that telling the cross-country team about the dismissals was a violation of Daniel's rights under the Buckley Amendment. 118 The District Court dismissed the FERPA complaint because the information disclosed was not from "school records" and did not result from a "policy or practice" 119 of unauthorized disclosure by the school, both of which are required to establish a FERPA violation. 120 Further, the court noted that "FERPA does not protect information which might appear in school records but would also be 'known by members of the school community through conversation and personal contact.' ' "121
so... in this case... the parents claimed their FERPA was violated (or whatever)
because the cross country teacher told the class about the dismissals... but never named them...
this bottom line is interesting...
"Further, the court noted that "FERPA does not protect information which might appear in school records but would also be 'known by members of the school community through conversation and personal contact.' '"
if you compare that with this idea of removing their names from the depth chart..
this is a very similar situation.. no?
in the cross country situation... the teacher was not in violation
so how could Coach Ferentz be in violation if he does not add them to the depth chart?
I thought everyone is practicing? If anyone is sitting for weeks, why aren’t their backups practicing?
Heinz the other DB or is he injured?
Defensive lineman Chris Reames and cornerback Jermari Harris are both inactive today vs Utah State. Both are facing sports-gambling suspensions. There were two players facing "multi-game suspensions" aside from out-for-the-season defensive tackle Noah Shannon, according to head coach Kirk Ferentz, and those are the two. Harris is a starter, Reames is a non-contributor. Harris should be back Week 3 vs. Western Michigan, Chad Leistikow is reporting.
In Harris' place vs Utah State, it'll be either sophomore TJ Hall or redshirt freshman Deshaun Lee who is likely to get the call at cornerback opposite Cooper DeJean. Deavin Hilson could also be in the mix as well.
Recap: Iowa football opens 2023 season with 24-14 win over Utah State
Another Iowa football season is here. Follow along for pregame updates on the Hawkeyes’ inactive list, as well as live updates throughout the game.
www.hawkcentral.com
Thank you sir, had not seen that.Defensive lineman Chris Reames and cornerback Jermari Harris are both inactive today vs Utah State. Both are facing sports-gambling suspensions. There were two players facing "multi-game suspensions" aside from out-for-the-season defensive tackle Noah Shannon, according to head coach Kirk Ferentz, and those are the two. Harris is a starter, Reames is a non-contributor. Harris should be back Week 3 vs. Western Michigan, Chad Leistikow is reporting.
In Harris' place vs Utah State, it'll be either sophomore TJ Hall or redshirt freshman Deshaun Lee who is likely to get the call at cornerback opposite Cooper DeJean. Deavin Hilson could also be in the mix as well.
Recap: Iowa football opens 2023 season with 24-14 win over Utah State
Another Iowa football season is here. Follow along for pregame updates on the Hawkeyes’ inactive list, as well as live updates throughout the game.www.hawkcentral.com
F5n5 won’t likely believe you.Defensive lineman Chris Reames and cornerback Jermari Harris are both inactive today vs Utah State. Both are facing sports-gambling suspensions. There were two players facing "multi-game suspensions" aside from out-for-the-season defensive tackle Noah Shannon, according to head coach Kirk Ferentz, and those are the two. Harris is a starter, Reames is a non-contributor. Harris should be back Week 3 vs. Western Michigan, Chad Leistikow is reporting.
In Harris' place vs Utah State, it'll be either sophomore TJ Hall or redshirt freshman Deshaun Lee who is likely to get the call at cornerback opposite Cooper DeJean. Deavin Hilson could also be in the mix as well.
Recap: Iowa football opens 2023 season with 24-14 win over Utah State
Another Iowa football season is here. Follow along for pregame updates on the Hawkeyes’ inactive list, as well as live updates throughout the game.www.hawkcentral.com
Hmmm, sorry, but why have we not heard back from any of you guys here about how we were full of shit when saying that Harris being on the depth chart wasn't some kind of proof that he was not suspended??? Bueller? Anyone?
thank god it was only 2 games.
i think the football team lucked out, having only 2 key players part of this whole freakin' mess
This is from the Iowa State Auditor. Putting your politics aside, we can all agree on the 2nd paragraph of this tweet.
A couple times where he had coverage and had the guy, but didn't wrap up and hang. I trust he will fix that.
Update on those named so far:
I count 18 former & current Iowa student athletes being named so far in the gambling scandal. But I think there's MORE than 8 yet be be named because the UI's May 8 announcement stated the list of 111 individuals included 26 CURRENT student-athletes. The list of 18 student athletes (and one coach and one student manager) that follows contains at least THREE FORMER student athletes (so there might be more 8 student-athletes yet to be named).
The 3 former student-athletes:
* On March 22, 2023 BB player Ahron Ulis announced that he was entering the transfer portal. He ended up at Nebraska
* FB players Reggie Bracy & Arland Bruce transferred in the offseason.
Of the Iowa student athletes (former & current) tied to gambling, here's the breakdown BY SPORT of who's been named publicly so far:
Baseball:
Keaton Anthony
Jacob Henderson
Ben Tallman
Gehrig Christensen--criminally charged
Football:
DL Noah Shannon--bet on an Iowa sport; ONE YEAR SUSPENSION
Jermari Harris--suspended 2 games
Chris Reames--suspended 2 games
WR Jack Johnson--criminally charged
Kicker/Punter Aaron Blom--criminally charged
DB Reggie Bracy (now at Troy)--criminally charged
WR Arland Bruce (now at OK State)--criminally charged
Basketball:
Ahron Ulis (now at Nebraska)--criminally charged
Wrestling:
Tony Cassioppi--suspended for season?
Nelson Brands--suspended for season?
Abe Assad--suspended for season?
Cobe Siebrecht--suspended for season?
Cullan Schriever--multiple meet suspension?
Patrick Kennedy--multiple meet suspension?
Men's Track & Field:
no one yet named
Student Managers:
Evan Schuster, Iowa Men's Basketball--criminally charged (accused of betting on Iowa games over the last 2 seasons)
Coaches:
FB Grad assistant Owen O'Brien--criminally charged
I count 18 former & current Iowa student athletes being named so far in the gambling scandal. But I think there's MORE than 8 yet be be named because the UI's May 8 announcement stated the list of 111 individuals included 26 CURRENT student-athletes. The list of 18 student athletes (and one coach and one student manager) that follows contains at least THREE FORMER student athletes (so there might be more 8 student-athletes yet to be named).
The 3 former student-athletes:
* On March 22, 2023 BB player Ahron Ulis announced that he was entering the transfer portal. He ended up at Nebraska
* FB players Reggie Bracy & Arland Bruce transferred in the offseason.
Of the Iowa student athletes (former & current) tied to gambling, here's the breakdown BY SPORT of who's been named publicly so far:
Baseball:
Keaton Anthony
Jacob Henderson
Ben Tallman
Gehrig Christensen--criminally charged
Football:
DL Noah Shannon--bet on an Iowa sport; ONE YEAR SUSPENSION
Jermari Harris--suspended 2 games
Chris Reames--suspended 2 games
WR Jack Johnson--criminally charged
Kicker/Punter Aaron Blom--criminally charged
DB Reggie Bracy (now at Troy)--criminally charged
WR Arland Bruce (now at OK State)--criminally charged
Basketball:
Ahron Ulis (now at Nebraska)--criminally charged
Wrestling:
Tony Cassioppi--suspended for season?
Nelson Brands--suspended for season?
Abe Assad--suspended for season?
Cobe Siebrecht--suspended for season?
Cullan Schriever--multiple meet suspension?
Patrick Kennedy--multiple meet suspension?
Men's Track & Field:
no one yet named
Student Managers:
Evan Schuster, Iowa Men's Basketball--criminally charged (accused of betting on Iowa games over the last 2 seasons)
Coaches:
FB Grad assistant Owen O'Brien--criminally charged
Is Bruce officially suspended at OSU? I did not see his name in the box score.
24 days ago there were reports that he was no longer participating in OK State's team activities. So, not sure if he has "stepped away," left the team, or what.
I would imagine he'll get a lifetime ban like Blom if he was criminally charged. We dodged a bullet with him leaving, AND making room for Anderson, and Brown IMHO.....
totally agree. this could have been much, much worse for Iowa football.
The Iowa wrestling team sure took a hit; they are in for a long year imo with 40% of their starting line up suspended for a year.
Haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but Aaron Blom has pled guilty to underage gambling. It is a simple misdemeanor. He will pay a fine of $645.
Blom mentioned as pleading guilty to reduced charge. The comment made by Dekkers' attorney in the article makes sense. It did seem unusual that using someone else's ID to gamble would be considered "tampering with evidence."
Blom mentioned as pleading guilty to reduced charge. The comment made by Dekkers' attorney in the article makes sense. It did seem unusual that using someone else's ID to gamble would be considered "tampering with evidence."
It was a joke from the start. They thought they would be uncovering this huge gambling ring and it’s not what they found. So then they decided to push forward with a tampering charge which made no ****ing sense. Hope the county prosecutors are proud of this fine hard crime work. It was essentially speeding tickets in the end. Complete waste of tax payer $$$
Does shannon still have a chance of having that suspension revoked or reduced? if already asked and answered in previous pages, apologies.
I agree with what you said above as the ID was not evidence when he used it to gamble. It seems from a time point of view his lawyers should argue to get that count dropped.
They could I suppose charge him with impersonating someone else or illegally using documents but tampering seems weird
Here's the story from today from the Press Citizen/Des Moines Register:
5 athletes at University of Iowa, Iowa State plead guilty to underage gambling in state probe
Ryan HansenIowa City Press-Citizen
Sep 6, 2023
Five athletes from the University of Iowa and Iowa State University have pleaded guilty to underage gambling, a simple misdemeanor, as part of a sprawling sports-betting investigation that has resulted in charges against more than a dozen student-athletes at the two schools.
Iowa State quarterback Hunter Dekkers and linemen Dodge Sauser and Jacob Remsburg, along with former University of Iowa kicker Aaron Blom and baseball player Gehrig Christensen, all entered guilty pleas to underage gambling Wednesday.
All five were initially charged with tampering with records as part of a gambling scheme, an aggravated misdemeanor that could have carried a two-year prison sentence if found guilty. Instead, the tampering charges were dismissed and each of the five will pay a scheduled fine for underage gambling, which is $645 in Iowa.
There will be no additional criminal punishments for any of the five charged, according to the terms of their guilty pleas.
In all, the ongoing investigation into the sports-betting scandal has implicated more than three dozen current and former Iowa State University and University of Iowa athletes who face suspension from their teams or criminal charges or both.
Mark Weinhardt, a lawyer for the three members of the Iowa State football team who pleaded guilty, released a statement Wednesday.
"The original records tampering charge against these young men never fit this case, either legally or factually. Hunter, Jake and Dodge are not and never were guilty of that charge. The charge has nothing to do with gambling," Weinhardt wrote. "Other than the fact that Hunter, Jake and Dodge placed some bets before they turned 21, nothing about those bets is a crime under Iowa law."
Story County Attorney Timothy Meals responded that he could not comment on an ongoing investigation.
The allegations in the Hunter Dekkers gambling case
In Dekkers' guilty plea, the quarterback admitted to using his mother's name to wager more than $2,700 on more than 250 bets, including a wager on the Iowa State football team while he was on the team. It was unclear whether the terms of the plea meant Dekkers admitted to placing a singular bet on Iowa State.He was accused of placing 26 bets on the Cyclones in the complaint filed in Story County last month, including the 2021 football game against Oklahoma State when he was a sophomore backup quarterback but didn't play.
Under NCAA rules, athletes are permanently ineligible if found guilty of placing wagers on sporting events that involve their school.
The complaint alleges the DraftKings account controlled by Dekkers completed approximately 366 mobile/online sports wagers totaling “over $2,799.”
Dekkers did not participate in Iowa State's fall preseason camp practices so he could "focus on his studies and on the defense of this criminal charge," according to a statement released by his attorneys in August.
Dekkers, Nov 26, 2022, vs TCU
The allegations in the Dodge Sauser gambling case
Sauser's plea included an admission that he wagered approximately $3,075, including a bet on an Iowa State football game in which he did not participate. Sauser has left the team.The DraftKings account controlled by Sauser is alleged to have placed 12 wagers on Iowa State football games, including contests last year against Ohio, West Virginia, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. In total, Sauser wagered $3,075 on DraftKings, according to the complaint.
Sauser is not noted as appearing in any Iowa State game during his career in the school’s official biography of him on its athletic department website. He redshirted in 2021 and did not appear in 2022, according to the Iowa State athletics page.
Sauser was ISU's first 2021 football recruit
The allegations in the Jacob Remsburg gambling case
Remsburg admitted to wagering at least $1,108, including placing bets on other NCAA events, but not Iowa State football. No specifics were given about the nature of the other "NCAA-sanctioned events" Remsburg bet on.Newly introduced NCAA gambling rules stipulate a loss of 50% of eligibility for a single season for betting on another school in the same sport that a student-athlete plays in.
Remsburg has been suspended six games by the NCAA, a source with direct knowledge of the situation told the Des Moines Register on Sept. 1.
Remsburg during Media Day on Aug 2, 2022
The allegations in the Aaron Blom gambling case
In Blom’s guilty plea, he admitted placing a $40 wager on a Jan. 28, 2021, men’s college basketball game between Texas Christian University and Kansas while he was under the legal gambling age. Kansas won the game, 59-51.Blom was also accused of placing wagers on an estimated eight University of Iowa events, including the 2021 Cy-Hawk game, in which he did not participate.
Blom turned 21, Iowa's legal gambling age, in September 2022. He was the second-string kicker last year as a nonscholarship athlete.
Blom was accused of making 170 mobile wagers through a DraftKings account "controlled by Aaron Blom" from Jan. 28, 2021, to Feb. 22, 2022, in Johnson County, totaling more than $4,400.
Blom saw limited action in 2022, missing a game-tying field goal as time expired in the matchup with Iowa State, giving ISU the 10-7 victory in Iowa City.
Bloom kicks the PAT during the Sep 10, 2022 game vs ISU at Kinnick Stadium.
The allegations in the Gehrig Christensen gambling case
Christensen, 20, pleaded guilty to placing an underage sports wager “on or about” Nov. 7, 2022. He was accused of making wagers through Feb. 23, 2023, as a member of the Iowa baseball team. Most of his wagers, Christensen told investigators, were placed on NBA games.His lawyers had previously argued Christensen placed bets as early as Aug. 7, 2022, saying the charges filed by the Department of Criminal Investigation were beyond the one-year statute of limitations for simple misdemeanors. Christensen agreed to drop that defense to reach a plea deal.
Christensen, a Des Moines-area native, was accused of operating a “scheme” with his mother, hiding his identity by placing wagers in his mother’s name and making it seem as if she was placing the bets. The DraftKings account under Christensen’s mother’s name placed more than 550 bets totaling more than $2,400, documents filed in Johnson County court alleged.
Court documents allege Christensen made wagers with his mother’s consent, and she allegedly helped set up the account. She said it was “a silly mistake” to register the account for her son’s use, according to court documents. Christensen's mother was not charged with a crime.
Christensen announced his retirement from baseball on June 8 on Instagram. He is not listed on the current Iowa baseball roster but still maintains an Iowa City address and attends the UI, according to court filings.
Christensen during a baseball game vs Loras on Feb 28, 2023 in Iowa City
Brandon Hurley, Randy Peterson and Travis Hines contributed reporting.
Ryan Hansen covers local government and crime for the Press-Citizen. He can be reached atrhansen@press-citizen.com or on X, formerly known as Twitter, @ryanhansen01.
5 athletes at University of Iowa, Iowa State plead guilty to underage gambling in state probe
Iowa State athletes Hunter Dekkers, Jacob Remsburg and Dodge Sauser and Iowa's Aaron Blom and Gehrig Christensen plead guilty to underage gambling
www.desmoinesregister.com
Report from Keith Murphy of WHO:
Current Cylones Hunter Dekkers and Jake Remsburg, plus former Cyclone Dodge Sauser (now at Iowa Central) agree to a plea deal. They plead guilty to reduced charges of underage gambling, which carries a fine of $645 (e.g. like a speeding ticket). This ends the legal consequences for the three. The state is dropping other charges. This is separate from NCAA consequences, though can’t hurt, and could help.
Statement from Weinhardt Law Firm:
Current Cylones Hunter Dekkers and Jake Remsburg, plus former Cyclone Dodge Sauser (now at Iowa Central) agree to a plea deal. They plead guilty to reduced charges of underage gambling, which carries a fine of $645 (e.g. like a speeding ticket). This ends the legal consequences for the three. The state is dropping other charges. This is separate from NCAA consequences, though can’t hurt, and could help.
Statement from Weinhardt Law Firm:
unfortunately some of the idiots bet on their own team and are done eligibility wise.
